[thecavemaster]

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States...."

In order for the federal government to do the things required of it within the Constitution, circa 2010 with over 300 million people, requires a lot of revenue. Is there waste? Yes, just as in any and every endeavor involving human beings. Is there excess? Yes, ditto. Nothing unites like a common enemy (taxes, "liberals," "socialists," black President... and whatever other nastiness Hoot and his ilk can think of), and that, of course, explains a lot about mid-term elections. The sting of defeat and a common enemy, a black one... White Republicans Unite... and they did. To live in America is to constanly be in the midst of speech and habits and attitudes that offend... that's the beauty of pluralism. Nobody stole America from anybody. Nobody needs to "take America back" from anybody else. Empty, inflammatory rhetoric and appeals to that which is lowest in human nature are poor substitutes for legitimate debate.

[Amun-Ra]

I usually try to stay out of yall's quips mostly because I think both sides are full of it but when did anyone throw race into it? I dont know if I have ever saw Hoot or the like say Obama is bad because he is black. Let's keep race out of it.

[thecavemaster]

I usually try to stay out of yall's quips mostly because I think both sides are full of it but when did anyone throw race into it? I dont know if I have ever saw Hoot or the like say Obama is bad because he is black. Let's keep race out of it.

As plain as I can state it: I don't know whether "Hoot Gibson" is a racist or not, so I assume not. However, to suggest that race has nothing whatsoever to do with the vitriolic opposition to Barack Obama is ridiculous. Newt Gingriches' comments about Kenya and colonialism notwithstanding, I can't believe you believe this yourself, unless, as you say, you use the "they're all full of bull" defense mechanism as a way of comforting yourself.

[BoondockSaint]

Usually the "real racist" is the ignorant ******* in the back yelling "Yall just hatin' cuz he black!".

Spare me the race card, I don't buy it.

[thecavemaster]

Usually the "real racist" is the ignorant ******* in the back yelling "Yall just hatin' cuz he black!".

Spare me the race card, I don't buy it.

Legitimate differences in philosophy, rates of taxation, targeted tax cuts, levels of withdrawal/engagement in Iraq/Afghanistan...that's all part of the process of course. So, if what you're not buying is that opposition to Obama means a person is a racist, I don't buy it either. But, I also don't buy that Obama's race has nothing to do with the intensity of vitriol that has been raised against him.

[BoondockSaint]

So I guess you wouldn't buy that his race won him the presidential election, too?

[thecavemaster]

So I guess you wouldn't buy that his race won him the presidential election, too?

My guess would be that suggesting Barack Obama is President only because he's black is as overly simplistic as saying all opposition to Obama comes from racism.

[vundy33]

CM, I'm really surprised you would mention race in this. You know Hoot nor I nor MOST people don't dislike President Obama because of his race...come on man, stop being ridiculous. It seems to me that you are throwing this thread on here because you feel that Hoot is getting the best of you, which is further proven by your smart *** reply to what Amun-Ra said.

[nky]

Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police
action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art
of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names
have become odious to the public" .


Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument. Avoid argumentum ad
hominem. Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy. Also, slurs directed at groups with whom your opponent is identified
are usually nonproductive. Try to keep attention centered on the objective
problem itself.

[thecavemaster]

CM, I'm really surprised you would mention race in this. You know Hoot nor I nor MOST people don't dislike President Obama because of his race...come on man, stop being ridiculous. It seems to me that you are throwing this thread on here because you feel that Hoot is getting the best of you, which is further proven by your smart *** reply to what Amun-Ra said.

In other posts, I have plainly stated that I do not know whether Hoot (or you) are racists or not, as I don't know you, so I assume not. Also, I have said that political differences stem from different ideas about taxation rates, foreign policy, role of government, etc. However, the extreme vitriol against Obama ("socialist," "not a citizen," "Hitleresque," "anti-Christ" blah, blah, blah) seems to me a good indicator that something more visceral is at work in at least some opposition to Obama. Of course, replying to "shut up" with "no" is viewed as sarcastic correctly. How would you have replied? Hoot responds at the level of a Hack then retreats into some wounded stance when challenged. As far as your "eye of the beholder" analysis, have at it.

[thecavemaster]

Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police
action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art
of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names
have become odious to the public" .


Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument. Avoid argumentum ad
hominem. Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy. Also, slurs directed at groups with whom your opponent is identified
are usually nonproductive. Try to keep attention centered on the objective
problem itself.

Hoot is a political hatchet job, allowing political differences to carry him into the land of characterizing Barack Obama as a threat to the survival of America. This is patently ridiculous. America has survived a Civil War, civil unrest of epic proportions, all kinds of major and minor threats. Your "definings" are funny, given the nature of Right Wing Flirty posts on BGR. "Physician, heal thyself." hahaha

[nky]

Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy. Also, slurs directed at groups with whom your opponent is identified
are usually nonproductive. Try to keep attention centered on the objective
problem itself.

[Hoot Gibson]

Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy. Also, slurs directed at groups with whom your opponent is identified
are usually nonproductive. Try to keep attention centered on the objective
problem itself.

But personal attacks and slurs draw attention to oneself, and that attention drives behavior for many people. It takes much more effort to engage in honest intellectual debate.

[Truth]

It would appear that the true racists are those who use race as a crutch. The country is divided more now than at any time in our history with the possible exception of the War Between the States. I believe it is much because, if anyone opposes the acts or programs of the present administration, he or she is quickly called a racist by those in the administration and media who are blindly devoted to the president and his band of radical liberals.

We will now pause to see how quickly Truth is called a racist by cavemaster or some other BO lacky.

[thecavemaster]

But personal attacks and slurs draw attention to oneself, and that attention drives behavior for many people. It takes much more effort to engage in honest intellectual debate.

Are we really calling "Right Wing Flirties" a slur? As for "hack" is that abusive? You suggest Obama is the next Vladimir Lenin or Marx or Stalin, make Hitler references, talk about the "downfall of America" if Obama remains President, post mis-representative videos without context... then retreat into this "wounded me" stance? You've got to be kidding? And the intellectual debate lecture? hahaha You're funny, "Attention drives behavior for many people." "The boat was small the the sea was big." Any other peasant wisdom for us? I notice, Hoot, you haven't posted any YouTube videos dealing with our sweet dear Senate candidate in Deleware. Simple oversight I'm sure.

[thecavemaster]

Personal attacks on your opponent are an admission of intellectual
bankruptcy. Also, slurs directed at groups with whom your opponent is identified
are usually nonproductive. Try to keep attention centered on the objective
problem itself.

See, now you're funny too. I would hardly call "Right Wing Flirties" a slur. I might call "Tea Baggers" a slur, though. BGR is a place where lots of right wing folks agree with each other and pat each other on the back. The term applies. The objective problem, mommy dearest, is the complete lack of objectivity you folks parade around in and call truth. While your advice is, I'm sure, so heartfelt, try looking in the mirror for the boomerrang's boom.

[nky]

See, now you're funny too. I would hardly call "Right Wing Flirties" a slur. I might call "Tea Baggers" a slur, though. BGR is a place where lots of right wing folks agree with each other and pat each other on the back. The term applies. The objective problem, mommy dearest, is the complete lack of objectivity you folks parade around in and call truth. While your advice is, I'm sure, so heartfelt, try looking in the mirror for the boomerrang's boom.

sticks and stones................

[thecavemaster]

sticks and stones................

...as quoted by drones? clones? gnomes?

[vundy33]

Hah, I kinda agree, I don't think "right wing flirties" or "hack" are slurs, or anything else anyone can be called on the internet. I'd get drunk with any of you weirdo's...:Thumbs:

[nky]

Well if "some" can throw around the racist card willy nilly then maybe all terms of endearment should be taken as slurs. I guess One man's slur is another man's intellectual point of view:eyeroll: