[BoondockSaint]

Click on the link: http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/jl.htm

[BoondockSaint]

I guess you guys didn't want to comment for the same reason the national media didn't want to comment. Because you're yellow.

If that were 5 white people who committed this act against 2 blacks then there'd be riots in every urban area in TN, and racism would be cried from coast to coast.

IMO, the story isn't about racism, its about 5 low-life people who happened to be black committing an unthinkable crime against 2 people who happened to be white. But if the races were reversed then civil rights groups would be trying to stir a revolution, and that in itself is racism.

[Captain Backdoor]

I guess you guys didn't want to comment for the same reason the national media didn't want to comment. Because you're yellow.

If that were 5 white people who committed this act against 2 blacks then there'd be riots in every urban area in TN, and racism would be cried from coast to coast.
IMO, the story isn't about racism, its about 5 low-life people who happened to be black committing an unthinkable crime against 2 people who happened to be white. But if the races were reversed then civil rights groups would be trying to stir a revolution, and that in itself is racism.

:Thumbs: I agree 100%!

[TidesHoss32]

It sucks that they couldnt have attempted to carjack me. There would be five dead blacks in the streets, with three full .40 cal clips emptied into all five of them. It wouldnt matter if they were black, white, yellow, brown, purple or pink. If I feel that my life is in danger, I would place a safe bet on me, that theyre gonna die. Simple as that. Dont execute them. Dont put them in prison for life. There are lots of hungry animals out there. Feed them to the pigs and gators.

[TidesHoss32]

I guess you guys didn't want to comment for the same reason the national media didn't want to comment. Because you're yellow.

If that were 5 white people who committed this act against 2 blacks then there'd be riots in every urban area in TN, and racism would be cried from coast to coast.

IMO, the story isn't about racism, its about 5 low-life people who happened to be black committing an unthinkable crime against 2 people who happened to be white. But if the races were reversed then civil rights groups would be trying to stir a revolution, and that in itself is racism.

I agree 110% with you my friend. And until SOMETHING OUTSIDE the court system is done about stuff like this, it will continue to happen. Screw the courts.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Question have any of you heard of Shawn Bell since we are on this topic?

[Old School]

Click on the link: http://www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/jl.htm

This is the first I've heard of this story.

I'm not surprised that it didn't make NBC, CBS or ABC, but I thought it would have made Fox.

Question have any of you heard of Shawn Bell since we are on this topic?

I've not what's the story with Bell?

[BigBlueBobcatFan]

That was a sad sad story i feel for the families

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Sean Bell lived in Queens New York, it was the night before his wedding, while he and two friends got into the Nissan Altima after leaving the strip club that they went to for his bachelors party. At that time 5 New York Police men aparently thought the 3 were some one else they were looking for who had performed an armed robbery a few nights before. THINKING the 3 were armed they fired on the Nissan Altima shooting the men FIFTY TIMES. Killing Bell and wounding his two friends. No police officer in the incident were charged of any crime or recieved any disciplinary act besides desk duty. Oh yeah the fact is the 3 men were all 3 black and the 5 cops...White...This story did not hit any news sources besides the Times for a couple of a stories which is common because it happened in new York and caught a couple of stories in CNN but nothing else. So my point is this issue that you all are arguing can go both ways. More instances are shown with the coverage of the Katrina disaster when pictures of black residents gathering food and other supplies were deamed by many news sources as "looting" while a similar picture of white people were deamed to the subject of "finding" materials. It is such incidents as this that are found when reviewing ethics in the media that we in the media/communication field must take a strong study into. While the story above is important that you shared, many news sources will not find the stories as significant when taking a look at the lines in which we go by to cover a story. The Bell story is also another story that would not be covered by many news sources either. When we live in a world where we have other news to cover that is much more significant to the general public, a national new source is going to focus on wide goverment topics, "famous" people etc. etc. that is the way the news sources are centered these days.

Another interesting tid bit of information is today crime rates are at an all time low in the US, since the early 1920s, however, the way media is covered there is an American ideology that is starteling. Even though crime rates are at an all time low, when asked American society is at an all time high for the fear for being killed, rapped and/or subject to a violent act.

[Hoot Gibson]

Sean Bell lived in Queens New York, it was the night before his wedding, while he and two friends got into the Nissan Altima after leaving the strip club that they went to for his bachelors party. At that time 5 New York Police men aparently thought the 3 were some one else they were looking for who had performed an armed robbery a few nights before. THINKING the 3 were armed they fired on the Nissan Altima shooting the men FIFTY TIMES. Killing Bell and wounding his two friends. No police officer in the incident were charged of any crime or recieved any disciplinary act besides desk duty. Oh yeah the fact is the 3 men were all 3 black and the 5 cops...White...This story did not hit any news sources besides the Times for a couple of a stories which is common because it happened in new York and caught a couple of stories in CNN but nothing else. So my point is this issue that you all are arguing can go both ways. More instances are shown with the coverage of the Katrina disaster when pictures of black residents gathering food and other supplies were deamed by many news sources as "looting" while a similar picture of white people were deamed to the subject of "finding" materials. It is such incidents as this that are found when reviewing ethics in the media that we in the media/communication field must take a strong study into. While the story above is important that you shared, many news sources will not find the stories as significant when taking a look at the lines in which we go by to cover a story. The Bell story is also another story that would not be covered by many news sources either. When we live in a world where we have other news to cover that is much more significant to the general public, a national new source is going to focus on wide goverment topics, "famous" people etc. etc. that is the way the news sources are centered these days.

Another interesting tid bit of information is today crime rates are at an all time low in the US, since the early 1920s, however, the way media is covered there is an American ideology that is starteling. Even though crime rates are at an all time low, when asked American society is at an all time high for the fear for being killed, rapped and/or subject to a violent act.

There was absolutely no evidence that Sean Bell and his two companions were shot because they were black. The Obama Department of Justice found insufficient evidence to pursue civil rights charges against any of the policemen involved. Bell was drunk, struck an unmarked police van with his car, and one of the policemen yelled, "Gun!" and the rest opened fire on the car. It sounds like this was a tragic shooting and the policemen involved will probably be held liable in a civil suit but this case was not about racism.

[vundy33]

Sad story...I heard it a while back.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

There was absolutely no evidence that Sean Bell and his two companions were shot because they were black. The Obama Department of Justice found insufficient evidence to pursue civil rights charges against any of the policemen involved. Bell was drunk, struck an unmarked police van with his car, and one of the policemen yelled, "Gun!" and the rest opened fire on the car. It sounds like this was a tragic shooting and the policemen involved will probably be held liable in a civil suit but this case was not about racism.

Never said it was, nor do I believe the one that started this thread was over racsim either. Reason I made the statement that they were black and the cops were white was a counter argument to the statements from before. The point that I was trying to make in which you obviously missed is that on both sides of the spectrum tragic events are normally with held from national news DUE to the way the media centers the stories now a days. Also the civil suit that had been in attempt to prosecute the officers was brought in the fore front during the Bush admin and was followed up during the Obama administration. Also the points on the Katrina disaster with a few selected media was not racist nor biased towards either white or african american, however, it was a misrepresentation of wording. However, the ethical principals still exsist and we as the media must honor the fine line that we walk. So the point here for you Hoot since you always turn conversation into argument, I.E any political thread, there are two arguments to any position. Yes both stories are tragic and yes both stories are news worthy and timely but both stories do not meet the criteria for a national news station to run countless stories on.

[Hoot Gibson]

Never said it was, nor do I believe the one that started this thread was over racsim either. Reason I made the statement that they were black and the cops were white was a counter argument to the statements from before. The point that I was trying to make in which you obviously missed is that on both sides of the spectrum tragic events are normally with held from national news DUE to the way the media centers the stories now a days. Also the civil suit that had been in attempt to prosecute the officers was brought in the fore front during the Bush admin and was followed up during the Obama administration. Also the points on the Katrina disaster with a few selected media was not racist nor biased towards either white or african american, however, it was a misrepresentation of wording. However, the ethical principals still exsist and we as the media must honor the fine line that we walk. So the point here for you Hoot since you always turn conversation into argument, I.E any political thread, there are two arguments to any position. Yes both stories are tragic and yes both stories are news worthy and timely but both stories do not meet the criteria for a national news station to run countless stories on.

The civil rights action that the Obama Justice Department decided not to pursue would have been a criminal action, not a civil action. You presented one side of the Bell story that gave the distinct impression that racism was involved. I pointed out that the facts do not support the version that you presented. If you want to call that an argument, so be it.

The Bell story was thoroughly covered by the media while race hustlers like Al Sharpton were insisting that the shootings were racially motivated and Sharpton's race baiting rants were treated seriously by Sharpton, as they always are. Even Fox treats Sharpton as if he has a shred of credibility and allows him to spew his hatred on their dime.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

The civil rights action that the Obama Justice Department decided not to pursue would have been a criminal action, not a civil action. You presented one side of the Bell story that gave the distinct impression that racism was involved. I pointed out that the facts do not support the version that you presented. If you want to call that an argument, so be it.

The Bell story was thoroughly covered by the media while race hustlers like Al Sharpton were insisting that the shootings were racially motivated and Sharpton's race baiting rants were treated seriously by Sharpton, as they always are. Even Fox treats Sharpton as if he has a shred of credibility and allows him to spew his hatred on their dime.

To make an argument that this was covered by media strongly is very very inaccurate. It was covered momentarily during the inital shots mainly because it was an argument of was it "police brutality", in essense the same argument the Chicago 7 had during the 1968 peace march in Chicago. Other than that the majority of the coverage was on the protests people were having. Other than that you will only find a handful of stories. Thourgly covered only because of the fact of the out cry for racial indifferences.

Another example of this is the Diallo incident back in the early 90s i believe also occuring in NYC.

[Hoot Gibson]

To make an argument that this was covered by media strongly is very very inaccurate. It was covered momentarily during the inital shots mainly because it was an argument of was it "police brutality", in essense the same argument the Chicago 7 had during the 1968 peace march in Chicago. Other than that the majority of the coverage was on the protests people were having. Other than that you will only find a handful of stories. Thourgly covered only because of the fact of the out cry for racial indifferences.

Another example of this is the Diallo incident back in the early 90s i believe also occuring in NYC.

Really? Maybe you just need to brush up on your search skills. Both of these stories were widely covered in the media. If you are trying to say that the media did a poor job reporting the actual facts of the Bell case and use a lot of ink promoting the shooting as a racial incident, then I would agree. Is that the case you are attempting to make?

Results of Google search: 'Results 1 - 10 of about 279,000 for "sean bell" shooting'

Results of Google search: 'Results 1 - 10 of about 47,800 for "Amadou Diallo" shooting'

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Really? Maybe you just need to brush up on your search skills. Both of these stories were widely covered in the media. If you are trying to say that the media did a poor job reporting the actual facts of the Bell case and use a lot of ink promoting the shooting as a racial incident, then I would agree. Is that the case you are attempting to make?

Results of Google search: 'Results 1 - 10 of about 279,000 for "sean bell" shooting'

Results of Google search: 'Results 1 - 10 of about 47,800 for "Amadou Diallo" shooting'

Yes that would be the point ive been trying to point our to you this entire time. However, yet again technically the facts were never fully revealed on the case even to the general public nor in the Diallo case. Both instances in my eyes should be subject to the label of police brutality. However, in both cases the courts and law enforcement higher ups did not take the proper action. Instead they played it off, got through it quickly so the image of the department would NOT be tarnished. That is the problem with our political system now a days and becoming a centeralized goverment. All the media is any more is a way to distract the the general public from the exact issues that are going on, then they slip pieces of legislation under our nose etc. etc. etc.

[BoondockSaint]

I'm pretty sure the Bell story is the one Al Sharpton tried to close down a NYC bridge over, by protesting and inciting a riot on it. Almost positive about that.

I think it was the bridge that runs into Manhattan. Not sure though.

[15thRegionSlamaBamma]

Also if you go back and to your search again for Sean Bell Shooting as News there is a little over 600 stores and not 2,000, same with Diallo. just searching bring of blog hits etc if you are wanting to use that a the source to determine how the story was covered by the media. The news section probley doesnt hold justice to the media on the Diallo case because I know it was covered a little more then shown.