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10-05-2010, 07:56 AM
I think most of the people in Bell Co. are very, very happy to be re-united with long lost friends in Corbin. I know a bunch of the true football people in Corbin and they were upset that Jewell backed out of the rivalry. I am sure they will be happy.
I remember the days when Corbin would pound Bell in MS, fresh and JV ball then in Varsity the roles would reverse. I would not get too excited over middle school success.
The district games are not the issue but the region and semi-state is? Not sure what they were thinking?
District 4 should be Casey, McCreary, Wayne, Bourbon and Garrard.
Casey to Bourbon would be 1 hr 39 minutes.
Bourbon to Wayne would be 2 hrs.
That would be closer than Bell is to McCreary, Wayne or Casey.
District 5 should be Bell, Corbin, Bath, Estill and Powell.
Bell's longest trip would be to Bath which would be 2 hrs 20 min. Still shorter than MCC, Wayne of Casey.
Bell to Powell would be 2 hr
Bell to Estill is 1hr 40 min
Travel for all involved would be better in this configuration.
I remember the days when Corbin would pound Bell in MS, fresh and JV ball then in Varsity the roles would reverse. I would not get too excited over middle school success.
The district games are not the issue but the region and semi-state is? Not sure what they were thinking?
District 4 should be Casey, McCreary, Wayne, Bourbon and Garrard.
Casey to Bourbon would be 1 hr 39 minutes.
Bourbon to Wayne would be 2 hrs.
That would be closer than Bell is to McCreary, Wayne or Casey.
District 5 should be Bell, Corbin, Bath, Estill and Powell.
Bell's longest trip would be to Bath which would be 2 hrs 20 min. Still shorter than MCC, Wayne of Casey.
Bell to Powell would be 2 hr
Bell to Estill is 1hr 40 min
Travel for all involved would be better in this configuration.
10-05-2010, 08:37 AM
HOUND BOY Wrote:Poor pitiful Bell
They have gas stations in Pineville just like they do in every other town in the state of KY
Yeah I'm glad it's a short drive to Corbin.
10-05-2010, 10:07 AM
Bobcat_Dad Wrote:I think most of the people in Bell Co. are very, very happy to be re-united with long lost friends in Corbin. I know a bunch of the true football people in Corbin and they were upset that Jewell backed out of the rivalry. I am sure they will be happy.This type of logic makes too much sense to those in power... I hope somebody from KHSAA sees this as it is the correct way to organize these schools.
I remember the days when Corbin would pound Bell in MS, fresh and JV ball then in Varsity the roles would reverse. I would not get too excited over middle school success.
The district games are not the issue but the region and semi-state is? Not sure what they were thinking?
District 4 should be Casey, McCreary, Wayne, Bourbon and Garrard.
Casey to Bourbon would be 1 hr 39 minutes.
Bourbon to Wayne would be 2 hrs.
That would be closer than Bell is to McCreary, Wayne or Casey.
District 5 should be Bell, Corbin, Bath, Estill and Powell.
Bell's longest trip would be to Bath which would be 2 hrs 20 min. Still shorter than MCC, Wayne of Casey.
Bell to Powell would be 2 hr
Bell to Estill is 1hr 40 min
Travel for all involved would be better in this configuration.
10-05-2010, 10:15 AM
Bobcat_Dad Wrote:I think most of the people in Bell Co. are very, very happy to be re-united with long lost friends in Corbin. I know a bunch of the true football people in Corbin and they were upset that Jewell backed out of the rivalry. I am sure they will be happy.
I remember the days when Corbin would pound Bell in MS, fresh and JV ball then in Varsity the roles would reverse. I would not get too excited over middle school success.
The district games are not the issue but the region and semi-state is? Not sure what they were thinking?
District 4 should be Casey, McCreary, Wayne, Bourbon and Garrard.
Casey to Bourbon would be 1 hr 39 minutes.
Bourbon to Wayne would be 2 hrs.
That would be closer than Bell is to McCreary, Wayne or Casey.
District 5 should be Bell, Corbin, Bath, Estill and Powell.
Bell's longest trip would be to Bath which would be 2 hrs 20 min. Still shorter than MCC, Wayne of Casey.
Bell to Powell would be 2 hr
Bell to Estill is 1hr 40 min
Travel for all involved would be better in this configuration.
That is ridiculous. This would ADD travel to every single team you mentioned. Get a map and look at it.
Bell, Corbin, Wayne and McCreary belong together, Casey is sort of stranded and I can understand why they put Casey with them.
Estill and Powell have have at least 9 schools closer to them than Bell and Corbin. Bath County has more than a dozen schools closer to them than Corbin or Bell. Why on Earth would it be a good idea to include those 3 schools in a district with Bell and Corbin?
10-05-2010, 10:17 AM
You get a map and look at it. I did. Pull up mapquest also. It may enlighten you some.
10-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Bobcat_Dad Wrote:You get a map and look at it. I did. Pull up mapquest also. It may enlighten you some.
:Thumbs: I think that Belfry and those other schools in Eastern KY are tickled to death that they won't have to be playing Bell in the semis or region.
10-05-2010, 10:27 AM
What you are proposing helps Bell and Corbin, but it hurts all the other schools you are talking about Bobcat Dad. It would add travel to every one of them. The KHSAA is never going to do that because it doesn't serve the greater good.
Amped, actually, I always liked playing Bell Co. We have has some really good games in those playoff pairings and it was a lot of fun. I would like to see Bell in the east also, but I don't really see how it would work without punishing the other teams.
Amped, actually, I always liked playing Bell Co. We have has some really good games in those playoff pairings and it was a lot of fun. I would like to see Bell in the east also, but I don't really see how it would work without punishing the other teams.
10-05-2010, 10:45 AM
Buc-a-roo Wrote:What you are proposing helps Bell and Corbin, but it hurts all the other schools you are talking about Bobcat Dad. It would add travel to every one of them. The KHSAA is never going to do that because it doesn't serve the greater good.
Amped, actually, I always liked playing Bell Co. We have has some really good games in those playoff pairings and it was a lot of fun. I would like to see Bell in the east also, but I don't really see how it would work without punishing the other teams.
I guess there's arguments either way we look at it. I just think you could have placed any team in Bell's position and they too, would have a beef with it. Bell definitely doesn't need to be in the west. I know the numbers are minimal but nonetheless it only hurts this area to lose Bell.
10-05-2010, 11:58 AM
There are maps of Kentucky with the locations of all the schools in each district, in all 6 classes, on the KHSAA home page. Click on the "2011-2014 Draft Football Alignment is Posted" in the left hand column.
10-05-2010, 12:50 PM
I am looking forward to LC being in district 8. It will be the toughest district in the state top to bottom. It w be interesting playing Belfry, SC, PCC every year. We won't have to hear any more about our weak schedule.
10-05-2010, 01:36 PM
dozerdawg707 Wrote:I am looking forward to LC being in district 8. It will be the toughest district in the state top to bottom. It w be interesting playing Belfry, SC, PCC every year. We won't have to hear any more about our weak schedule.
I agree :Clap: :Clap:
10-05-2010, 01:57 PM
As things currently stand, Paducah Tilghman this year could have to drive to New Castle if Henry defeats Central and Tilghman defeats Union in the payoffs. (I think that is at least a possibility). It is about 260 miles and five hours of travel. I mean the long trip scenario already exists for teams. Last year, Fulton City had to go 250 miles to Louisville for a first round district game. Many schools and players left on the outside come playoff time would give their last dime for the inconvenience of making a long trip in the playoffs. Consider the opportunity to travel a blessing rather than a burden.
10-05-2010, 04:14 PM
I'm still not sure if anyone has traveled as far as the Lawrence County to Mayfield game for a state-semi contest. I could be wrong but that was one heck of a trip. The trip was over 400 miles and by car over six hours.
Mark 11:23 "For assuredly, I say to you, whoever says to this MOUNTAIN, `Be removed and be cast into the sea,' and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that those things he says will come to pass, he will have whatever he says. NKJ
10-05-2010, 04:17 PM
Welcome To District 8 LC
10-05-2010, 04:37 PM
District 8=Insanity
Does Beathitt's District make it enticing for Chapman to return to take over when Holcomb is done? The Bobcats should win at least 70 district titles in the next 71 years in this current alignment. (Note: I have no idea about the situation concerning Holcomb/Breathitt/Chapman/etc...)
Does Beathitt's District make it enticing for Chapman to return to take over when Holcomb is done? The Bobcats should win at least 70 district titles in the next 71 years in this current alignment. (Note: I have no idea about the situation concerning Holcomb/Breathitt/Chapman/etc...)
10-05-2010, 07:20 PM
Panther Thunder Wrote:District 8=InsanityI think Chapman may have found him a home in these hills. Also like you B.C. Bobcats 70 out of71
Does Beathitt's District make it enticing for Chapman to return to take over when Holcomb is done? The Bobcats should win at least 70 district titles in the next 71 years in this current alignment. (Note: I have no idea about the situation concerning Holcomb/Breathitt/Chapman/etc...)
10-05-2010, 07:30 PM
CardinalAlum Wrote:Welcome To District 8 LC
Trust me we are glad to be here :rockon:
10-05-2010, 09:14 PM
Real Badman Wrote:If you dont know what your talking about you shouldn't talk at all. Can East Ridge compete with these teams? No, not yet. Will they? Yes. I called it 2 years ago, in 8 more years Brad Allen will have East Ridge transformed into another power such as Belfry or Breathitt. He might not get there as fast as Chapman did with PCC, but then again the Transfers arnt coming in by the boat loads to Lick Creek.
Then I guess I'll just keep talking, since I'm pretty sure I know my fair share about local football. :Thumbs:
I stand by my statement I made earlier, East Ridge got dealt a pretty rough hand with district alignment. They have been placed with a longtime powerhouse in Belfry, two more solid programs in SC and Lawrence, and an upstart team in PC led by a terrific coach and some key transfers. I just don't see East Ridge overtaking any of those top three teams. Now as for Pike Central, who knows? Time will only tell if they are a 2-3 year flash in the pan, or if Chapman will be able to sustain this long-term. If ER hopes to sniff the playoffs under this alignment, you better hope he doesn't.
Now, let's get to your prediction. In 8 years, East Ridge will be on a level with Belfry and Breathitt? Please tell me you don't truly believe that. I know you like East Ridge and all, but sometimes you need to take off the "homer" glasses and try to be objective. I may be a fan of Shelby Valley, but I don't have any problem admitting that this year's football team is one of the worst at SV in several years. But by the same token, you should probably not put up on a pedestal an ER squad whose best win of the season is over that same depleted Valley team. East Ridge is currently the fourth-best team in a four-team district, and the addition of Lawrence will only serve to push them down to #5.
Look, Brad Allen seems to be a fine coach, and he has made progress developing a program up at Lick Creek (progress that I did indeed mention in my initial post). But a great coach can only do so much, and East Ridge has neither a great football tradition to fall back on, or much reason to entice transfers to come in. I honestly hope the program does continue to make progress, because I know some kids on ER's team and I want them to do well. But sometimes you just need to be realistic.
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10-05-2010, 10:27 PM
Bearcat alum Wrote:I think Chapman may have found him a home in these hills. Also like you B.C. Bobcats 70 out of71
If anyone honestly thinks the Chapman wouldn't entertain the notion of returning to the Breathitt Co. sidelines as the main man then they apparently need to enroll in common sense 101 at the nearest community college. Chapman is the flavor of the month and if PC makes a deep run in the playoffs his stock will NEVER be higher. If a tradition rich, booster backed, feeder school developed high school came knocking I believe he would have to entertain the thought. Im not sure he can count on getting numerous transfers every year to get the PC program to next level where some other schools have the pieces in place and the tradition to "recruit" major talent year in and year out. I just think that there might not be 5-10 better X's and O's coaches in the state than Chapman and I would love to see what his spread offense, or for that matter is defensive genius, could do with a roster loaded with numerous speed burners and large quick LBs to execute his system.
10-05-2010, 11:31 PM
I would love to see what his spread offense, or for that matter is defensive genius, could do with a roster loaded with numerous speed burners and large quick LBs to execute his system.
the offense coach was and i guess still is Big Mike Smith that won state title in basketball at tolisa, and coached football at tug valley...
the offense coach was and i guess still is Big Mike Smith that won state title in basketball at tolisa, and coached football at tug valley...
10-06-2010, 12:39 AM
Buc-a-roo Wrote:That is ridiculous. This would ADD travel to every single team you mentioned. Get a map and look at it.
Bell, Corbin, Wayne and McCreary belong together, Casey is sort of stranded and I can understand why they put Casey with them.
Estill and Powell have have at least 9 schools closer to them than Bell and Corbin. Bath County has more than a dozen schools closer to them than Corbin or Bell. Why on Earth would it be a good idea to include those 3 schools in a district with Bell and Corbin?
The map says it all:
Dist 8 - Pike (Belfry/PCC/ER), Martin (SC), and Lawrence - Bordering counties.
Dist 7 - Morgan, Magoffin, Breathitt, and Knott - Bordering counties.
Jackson Co. does not border but is geographically close.
Dist 6 - Mason, Fleming, Lewis, and Carter (EC & WC) - Bordering counties.
Dist 5 - Bath and Bourbon are bordering counties and so are Estill and Powell.
Clark and Montgomery are the only counties separating the 4 and
they are 6A and 5A respectfully. Garrard Co. does not border any of
those but is as close as Jackson Co. is to Dist. 7.
Dist 4 - Bell, Whitley (Corbin), McCreary, and Wayne - BORDERING COUNTIES.
Casey Co. Does not border but is as close as the above mentioned
teams (Jackson and Garrard) are to their districts.
This arguement is not geographic, it's emotional. I agree that Bell and Corbin has always been known as mountain teams. But the fact remains that there are 6 classes in KY HS Football and the numbers just so happen to put alot of teams located in farther east than Corbin and Bell Co. and almost all of the northeast part of the state in 3A. I think it will be the best class of football to watch in the entire state over the next 4 years. I can't wait to see it. Some old rivalries will be revived and I'm sure many new ones born over the next 4 years.
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