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10-25-2008, 12:22 AM
Well LC just doesn't have it anymore! And to be honest, they have slipped every year since the "Chuke Era". Now they have finally slipped to the point of being a non-factor.
Congrats to the Musketeers!!
Congrats to the Musketeers!!
10-25-2008, 06:39 AM
So this means that lawrence county finish as fourth seed in distric 8 class 4a right? So this puts them a trip to the Bobcat Hilton in the first round am i correct?
10-25-2008, 11:19 AM
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:You mean to tell me that Lawrence is going to the playoffs without winning a game....If so, then this is the WORST SYSTEM that I have ever seen at ANY LEVEL in ANY SPORT!
Almost any team halfway decent (and in some cases I guess that all teams in the district) go to the playoffs. That is the crazy system we have. Playoffs really mean nothing. What teams are really playing for is home field advantage and the district title. But you have to be pretty bad to fail to make the playoffs.
10-25-2008, 11:21 AM
oneijoe Wrote:Hate saying it, but there looks to be a white flag waving in Louisa...
I agree. I believe LC football is now to the point that the players and coaches arent clicking. This is one example of how taking the high road has back fired. I would put some more managable games on the schedule for next year to get the confidence back up in LC. They simply arent what they were in the late 90's to early 2000's.
PLAYBOY5 Wrote:You mean to tell me that Lawrence is going to the playoffs without winning a game....If so, then this is the WORST SYSTEM that I have ever seen at ANY LEVEL in ANY SPORT!
You would be correct.
10-25-2008, 12:16 PM
Kayaker Wrote:I agree. I believe LC football is now to the point that the players and coaches arent clicking. This is one example of how taking the high road has back fired. I would put some more managable games on the schedule for next year to get the confidence back up in LC. They simply arent what they were in the late 90's to early 2000's.Everybody keeps talking about the brutal schedule. What about the district games ? They are not even beating them. There are none of those teams that are considered to be powerhouses, in fact they are all not very good this year. How about for once everybody just realizing the fact that Lawrence does not have the horses that they used to have. I have never seen a team that gets promoted as much as Lawrence does for something that they did 10 years ago. They were hardly a powerhouse before they had that decade long run either. Perhaps they were just a blip on the radar screen during that period of time that sometimes just occurs.
You would be correct.
Personally I think that the footballs just aren't being kept clean enough.
10-25-2008, 12:40 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Everybody keeps talking about the brutal schedule. What about the district games ? They are not even beating them. There are none of those teams that are considered to be powerhouses, in fact they are all not very good this year. How about for once everybody just realizing the fact that Lawrence does not have the horses that they used to have. I have never seen a team that gets promoted as much as Lawrence does for something that they did 10 years ago. They were hardly a powerhouse before they had that decade long run either. Perhaps they were just a blip on the radar screen during that period of time that sometimes just occurs.
Personally I think that the footballs just aren't being kept clean enough.
I understand your point. And it is true, Lawrene Co. more than most has continued to live in the past instead of focusing on the future. I agree that all that talent that was there in those 10 years of excellence isnt there right now, but make no mistake they still have some great young talent. I would love to have a QB like Chandler Shepherd on my team. Granted there district is somewhat of a cupcake walk, but we dont know what they early losses to North Laurel, Belfry, SC, and Prestonsburg, in which all of those games they were competitive, done to the mental state of this young team. Someone can correct me if Im wrong but I believe that LC only has 3 or 4 seniors on this team. But the straw that broke the camel IMO was the Rowan Co. game when absolutely nothing went there way. I just think this team has given up on themselves and this coaching staff.
10-25-2008, 12:57 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Everybody keeps talking about the brutal schedule. What about the district games ? They are not even beating them. There are none of those teams that are considered to be powerhouses, in fact they are all not very good this year. How about for once everybody just realizing the fact that Lawrence does not have the horses that they used to have. I have never seen a team that gets promoted as much as Lawrence does for something that they did 10 years ago. They were hardly a powerhouse beore they had that decade long run either. Perhaps they were just a blip on the radar screen during that period.
Maybe... it could be interesting to look back in 10 yrs. and see what other programs this may be said about. (I hope NONE
) But seriously, talent comes into programs like waves onto a beach. All schools will have periods of lesser talent. Even the magnet programs (X, T, Highlands, etc.) face that (on a relative basis).
Lawrence Co., though, has been in a vicious circle. The perception that the team played under expectation a few years ago under Coach McPeek led to infighting of the supporters/administration. And THAT lead to a head coach merry-go-round.
Once a program is at that point, the only way to rebuild is for supporter expectations to go away, giving a coach time to work without undo pressure on himself and his players.
The sooner Lawrence Co. fans realize their football program is back where it was in the '80's, the quicker it can be remedied.
10-25-2008, 03:15 PM
Maybe... it could be interesting to look back in 10 yrs. and see what other programs this may be said about. (I hope NONE )
lol...... ahhh, now that was slick...............Couldn't resist, could you?.
) lol...... ahhh, now that was slick...............Couldn't resist, could you?.
10-25-2008, 08:50 PM
Mr.Kimball Wrote:Everybody keeps talking about the brutal schedule. What about the district games ? They are not even beating them. There are none of those teams that are considered to be powerhouses, in fact they are all not very good this year. How about for once everybody just realizing the fact that Lawrence does not have the horses that they used to have. I have never seen a team that gets promoted as much as Lawrence does for something that they did 10 years ago. They were hardly a powerhouse before they had that decade long run either. Perhaps they were just a blip on the radar screen during that period of time that sometimes just occurs.
Personally I think that the footballs just aren't being kept clean enough.
Did you see who voted for Greenup in the pre-game pole Mr. Kimball?
10-25-2008, 09:01 PM
Don Carlo Wrote:
That's absolutely hilarious.
Want to bet that somebody got fired?
10-26-2008, 12:04 AM
I think you all are correct in that Lawrence Co. still has their 90's rep, but they aren't the same team. This creates disappointment with the fans. You just have to wait for things to get back on track. It happens at other schools too, where there has been continued success for a good period of time and then for whatever reasons, things change.
10-26-2008, 11:42 AM
Yes LC will be the 4th set team and will make the playoffs when you only have 4 teams in your district that happens sad to say but it happens.
Congrats Greenup
Congrats Greenup
10-26-2008, 01:53 PM
oneijoe Wrote:But seriously, talent comes into programs like waves onto a beach. All schools will have periods of lesser talent. Even the magnet programs (X, T, Highlands, etc.) face that (on a relative basis).
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Talent follows great coaches.
Look at Boyle County. World-beaters with Chuck Smith, fall off the map without him. Same with Lawrence County and Chuke Williams. Bourbon County had one amazing year with Dudley Hilton, then disappeared again. Same situation with Lexington Catholic, Boyd County, et cetera, et cetera. (And yes, oneijoe, same thing happened to Johnson Central when Bill Musick left, and would happen again if Matney for whatever reason left.)
Coaches make high school programs. Period. It's not that whole counties don't produce athletes. It's just that the good coaches get the county's best athletes (and sometimes other counties' best athletes) on the field. I'm sure there are plenty of kids in Lawrence County right now who would be great football players who just aren't playing, the kind of kids that would've been in pads back in the 90s.
10-26-2008, 03:17 PM
Diogenes Wrote:Talent follows great coaches.
Look at Boyle County. World-beaters with Chuck Smith, fall off the map without him. Same with Lawrence County and Chuke Williams. Bourbon County had one amazing year with Dudley Hilton, then disappeared again. Same situation with Lexington Catholic, Boyd County, et cetera, et cetera. (And yes, oneijoe, same thing happened to Johnson Central when Bill Musick left, and would happen again if Matney for whatever reason left.)
Coaches make high school programs. Period. It's not that whole counties don't produce athletes. It's just that the good coaches get the county's best athletes (and sometimes other counties' best athletes) on the field. I'm sure there are plenty of kids in Lawrence County right now who would be great football players who just aren't playing, the kind of kids that would've been in pads back in the 90s.
I have to get one thing off my chest-its not the 90's anymore fans. It's time to MOVE on.
IMO, the difference in the kids of the 90's you speak of vs the kids now is priorities. The kids have SOOOO many options now of things they'd rather do than work at something, show respect for anything, etc. Football requires work, dedication, respect, and disicipline, not to mention PRIDE. Alot of kids just dont want to put that much into anything.
10-26-2008, 06:00 PM
i still can't believe this happened
10-27-2008, 02:04 AM
Diogenes Wrote:...
Coaches make high school programs. Period. It's not that whole counties don't produce athletes. It's just that the good coaches get the county's best athletes (and sometimes other counties' best athletes) on the field. I'm sure there are plenty of kids in Lawrence County right now who would be great football players who just aren't playing, the kind of kids that would've been in pads back in the 90s.
I agree with this paragraph 100% with one caveat. It's definately what an athlete sees in a coach/staff that determines whether he'll play there, play elsewhere, or not play at all.
The caveat is...great high school programs can also make good coaches. Good programs will have the infrastructure that puts a coach in a position to be successful. I'm talking about grade and middle school football volunteers, loyal alumni, and supportive school administration. If a coach leaves, that infrastructure, if it remains intact, also allows a program to survive to rise again (Trinity, Boyle Co., Beechwood, etc.).
The "talent comes in waves" statement was simply stating that in some years the talent pool in a given location will be better than others. It's the difference between a winning record and a championship for the top coaches and programs. But that winning record level is gotten consistantly by a coach that always gets his school's athletes to play for him, and play hard.
Regardless...continuous coaching coaches at Lawrence Co. is NOT the answer.
And there won't be an answer until the powers that be in Louisa lower the bar on expectations on a young coach a few notches, at least a few years.
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