[RunItUpTheGut]

So I was planning on going and seeing this tonight, now I'm not sure. I LOVE the old spaghetti Westerns."The Good, the Bad, the Ugly", "Fistful of Dollars", "For a Few Dollars More"....etc.... I love me some Clint Eastwood, John Wayne movies are ok. So what should I do? Wait until it comes out and stay home or is it worth all the effort? I want to see "The Rite", but the old man doesn't like scary movies.

To be honest i dont think i wasted my money at all. 90% of the time i go to the movies i usually leave thinking "what was that", but i really enjoyed this movie.

[Bob Seger]

Watched the new one last night and loved it.
I would never watch or prefer the old one over it.

If you never would watch the old one, what makes you think you wouldn't like it better?

I liked the new one, but it is nowhere even close to being as good as the first one. Every actor in the first one commanded a better performance than those of the new cast. The only performance that I even consider close is the acting performance of Mattie by Hailee Steinfield in the second as opposed to Kim Darby's performance in the first. I like Matt Damon a lot, but in his role as LaBoeuff, the acting debut performance of Glen Campbell blew him away. In my opinion, Jeff Bridges did a terrible job in the courtroom scene as compared to John Wayne's, and Barry Pepper will never be able to wipe the dust off Robert DuVall's boots if he lives to be a thousand. There is no actor alive that can do a western better than Duvall.

Even the setting in the old one is more appealing than the setting of the new one. To me every aspect of the old one is so much better.

If you had never seen the first I think you would walk away thinking it a great movie. The original has been a classic, and will go down in history as one. I just dont think that 40 years from now the remake will be viewed in those terms, as the original is.

But that's just me.

[Aslan]

I haven't watched the new one but the acting can't be too bad. The movie has been nominated for 10 Oscars.

[Bob Seger]

I haven't watched the new one but the acting can't be too bad. The movie has been nominated for 10 Oscars.

Speaks volumes about how bad actors really are right now then, doesn't it?:biggrin:

If the new one gets 10 nominations, the first one should have gotten 40. lol

Seriously, I think that John Wayne did recieve an Oscar for his performance in the first one.

Like I said, I liked it, it just doesn't compare to the first one, in my opinion.

[Aslan]

Speaks volumes about how bad actors really are right now then, doesn't it?:biggrin:

If the new one gets 10 nominations, the first one should have gotten 40. lol

Seriously, I think that John Wayne did recieve an Oscar for his performance in the first one.

Like I said, I liked it, it just doesn't compare to the first one, in my opinion.

I wasn't saying that this one is better, since I haven't watched either one of them, but I thought it was pretty impressive that it got 10 nominations.

[Bob Seger]

I wasn't saying that this one is better, since I haven't watched either one of them, but I thought it was pretty cool that it got 10 nominations.

And you are right, I agree with you. Hopefully this will be an incentive for Hollywood to create more western films. They have seemed to have faded away into the sunset in recent years.

[RunItUpTheGut]

If you never would watch the old one, what makes you think you wouldn't like it better?

I liked the new one, but it is nowhere even close to being as good as the first one. Every actor in the first one commanded a better performance than those of the new cast. The only performance that I even consider close is the acting performance of Mattie by Hailee Steinfield in the second as opposed to Kim Darby's performance in the first. I like Matt Damon a lot, but in his role as LaBoeuff, the acting debut performance of Glen Campbell blew him away. In my opinion, Jeff Bridges did a terrible job in the courtroom scene as compared to John Wayne's, and Barry Pepper will never be able to wipe the dust off Robert DuVall's boots if he lives to be a thousand. There is no actor alive that can do a western better than Duvall.

Even the setting in the old one is more appealing than the setting of the new one. To me every aspect of the old one is so much better.

If you had never seen the first I think you would walk away thinking it a great movie. The original has been a classic, and will go down in history as one. I just dont think that 40 years from now the remake will be viewed in those terms, as the original is.

But that's just me.

Because every western made before 2000 sucks and is boring. I hate anything john wayne or clint eastwood or anything like stupid bonanza, therefore i know i would prefer the new one over it. The only westerns (if you can really call them that) that i liked ever was obviously tombston, open range, and the young guns movies.All the old ones are garbage IMO.

[Aslan]

Cmon dude, Clint Eastwood is awesome!

[Bob Seger]

Because every western made before 2000 sucks and is boring. I hate anything john wayne or clint eastwood or anything like stupid bonanza, therefore i know i would prefer the new one over it. The only westerns (if you can really call them that) that i liked ever was obviously tombston, open range, and the young guns movies.All the old ones are garbage IMO.

I just wish you would be just a little more honest and blunt in how you really feel.:lmao: I still think that if you watched the original True Grit, you would feel different about it.


I must be an old codger because to me it is the exact opposite. I like the one's from probably around the late fifties to the mid to late 60's the best. I like the Jimmy Stewarts, the Glen Fords, and even think that Dean Martin played well in westerns. Some good one's came out in the 70's too, obviously Eastwood's. I think that Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot do particularly well in a western film too, but for me the era that I stated, to me, is the golden era..

To me, Duvall is the king of the high plains though.

[Aslan]

You should give the first one a chance RunItUpTheGut, but I would understand if you liked the first one you watched better. I watched the Longest Yard with Adam Sandler first, and liked it much better than the original with Burt Reynolds(he had a small part in the 2nd one though).
Anyone watch the Quick and the Dead? It has Gene Hackman, Russel Crowe, and Leonardo Dicaprio in it. I personally loved it. It come out in the mid 90s.

[Bob Seger]

You should give the first one a chance RunItUpTheGut, but I would understand if you liked the first one you watched better. I watched the Longest Yard with Adam Sandler first, and liked it much better than the original with Burt Reynolds(he had a small part in the 2nd one though).
Anyone watch the Quick and the Dead? It has Gene Hackman, Russel Crowe, and Leonardo Dicaprio in it. I personally loved it. It come out in the mid 90s.

That was a pretty good one Aslan. Sharon Stone is most memorable. Hackman played in The Unforgiven with Eastwood too. I think he does a decent job in a western. DiCaprio....I cant stand in anything that he does.

[Aslan]

That was a pretty good one Aslan. Sharon Stone is most memorable. Hackman played in The Unforgiven with Eastwood too. I think he does a decent job in a western. DiCaprio....I cant stand in anything that he does.

I forgot she was in it, she did do a great job. I'm a DiCaprio fan, excluding Titanic, lol. Inception, Blood Diamond, The Departed, and Catch Me If You Can, were imo all great movies.

[Bob Seger]

I forgot she was in it, she did do a great job. I'm a DiCaprio fan, excluding Titanic, lol. Inception, Blood Diamond, The Departed, and Catch Me If You Can, were imo all great movies.

Obviously that's a generation gap thingie!!:biggrin:

I was always fascinated with Howard Hughes. Whomever cast DiCaprio as Howard Hughes should have their head examined, as he was absolutely horrible in that role. He never did convince me that he was ever anything more than just a 16 year old pipsqueak kid, vainly trying to play the role of one of the most dynamic Hollywood and Wall Street legends in history. Maybe the worst casting job in "history" is what that was.

[Aslan]

Obviously that's a generation gap thingie!!:biggrin:

I was always fascinated with Howard Hughes. Whomever cast DiCaprio as Howard Hughes should have their head examined, as he was absolutely horrible in that role. He never did convince me that he was ever anything more than just a 16 year old pipsqueak kid, vainly trying to play the role of one of the most dynamic Hollywood and Wall Street legends in history. Maybe the worst casting job in "history" is what that was.

That's gotta be it

[LOOKAYANNER]

Wow!!! Some of you guys are really good movie critics. :igiveup:
10 Oscar nominations. What a terrible movie!! Maybe you're waiting for Saw XII to come out so you can see what a great movie is all about.:biggrin:

And by the way, John Wayne is one of the greatest character actors of all time. Now, he wouldn't have been much playing Hamlet but the man knew how to make a Western. He was one of the best and there's very few of his movies that I pass on if they are showing TV.

His True Grit movie was very good and he won an Oscar for his role in it. This movie is very good as well, albeit with a different style.
Google up the most popular actors of the 1940's and 50's and you'll see that John Wayne was rated #1 by movie fans for about 10 straight years.

And on another note, I think the best Western ever made was 1969's The Wild Bunch with Robert Ryan, William Holden, Warren Oates, Earnest Borgnine, and Ben Johnson.

[Bob Seger]

[quote=LOOKAYANNER]Wow!!! Some of you guys are really good movie critics. :igiveup:10 Oscar nominations. What a terrible movie!! Maybe you're waiting for Saw XII to come out so you can see what a great movie is all about.:biggrin:

And by the way, John Wayne is one of the greatest character actors of all time. Now, he wouldn't have been much playing Hamlet but the man knew how to make a Western. He was one of the best and there's very few of his movies that I pass on if they are showing TV.

His True Grit movie was very good and he won an Oscar for his role in it. This movie is very good as well, albeit with a different style.
Google up the most popular actors of the 1940's and 50's and you'll see that John Wayne was rated #1 by movie fans for about 10 straight years.

And on another note, I think the best Western ever made was 1969's The Wild Bunch with Robert Ryan, William Holden, Warren Oates, Earnest Borgnine, and Ben Johnson.[/QUOTE







1. I guess the bolded part is all sarcam, but I dont know what your basis is? I thought we could all have an opinion and I think evveryone is being respectful of each others opinions. Correct me if needed.

2. Who said it was terrible? I said I liked it, just not as well.

3. I never have seen the Wild Bunch, so I cant comment.

4. I cant dispute the rest of your post.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I just wish you would be just a little more honest and blunt in how you really feel.:lmao: I still think that if you watched the original True Grit, you would feel different about it.


I must be an old codger because to me it is the exact opposite. I like the one's from probably around the late fifties to the mid to late 60's the best. I like the Jimmy Stewarts, the Glen Fords, and even think that Dean Martin played well in westerns. Some good one's came out in the 70's too, obviously Eastwood's. I think that Tom Selleck and Sam Elliot do particularly well in a western film too, but for me the era that I stated, to me, is the golden era..

To me, Duvall is the king of the high plains though.

lol im a straight shooter:biggrin:

I agree with you that duvall is a machine when it comes to westerns.
I think Gene Hackman did good in the quick and the dead and another one or two i seen.
Costner did pretty well with his and i am a sam elliot fan as well.
I guess your age has put you into the western knowledge, i havent yet creeped into the golden years yet lol jk

[RunItUpTheGut]

You should give the first one a chance RunItUpTheGut, but I would understand if you liked the first one you watched better. I watched the Longest Yard with Adam Sandler first, and liked it much better than the original with Burt Reynolds(he had a small part in the 2nd one though).
Anyone watch the Quick and the Dead? It has Gene Hackman, Russel Crowe, and Leonardo Dicaprio in it. I personally loved it. It come out in the mid 90s.

Im gonna have to now lol after all this talk.
I mentioned the quick and the dead before i noticed you had wrote anything about it. That was a good movie, use to come on tnt all the time when we were younger.
Westerns like that are easy to watch because of the story lines but i just cant stand watching something like john wayne riding through the desert for 2 hours coming across random people.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Wow!!! Some of you guys are really good movie critics. :igiveup:
10 Oscar nominations. What a terrible movie!! Maybe you're waiting for Saw XII to come out so you can see what a great movie is all about.:biggrin:

And by the way, John Wayne is one of the greatest character actors of all time. Now, he wouldn't have been much playing Hamlet but the man knew how to make a Western. He was one of the best and there's very few of his movies that I pass on if they are showing TV.

His True Grit movie was very good and he won an Oscar for his role in it. This movie is very good as well, albeit with a different style.
Google up the most popular actors of the 1940's and 50's and you'll see that John Wayne was rated #1 by movie fans for about 10 straight years.

And on another note, I think the best Western ever made was 1969's The Wild Bunch with Robert Ryan, William Holden, Warren Oates, Earnest Borgnine, and Ben Johnson.

Too bad i wasnt around in the 30s or i probably would have liked him considering it was him, clark gable, or charlie chaplin (of which i had to watch every move of when i was in college). I really hope you werent around then and still posting on bgr because thats addiction.
When i was in school we had to watch a john wayne movie for a cinema class i had taken in college but i left when it started lol.

[Bob Seger]

lol im a straight shooter:biggrin:

I agree with you that duvall is a machine when it comes to westerns.
I think Gene Hackman did good in the quick and the dead and another one or two i seen.
Costner did pretty well with his and i am a sam elliot fan as well.
I guess your age has put you into the western knowledge, i havent yet creeped into the golden years yet lol jk

While my age may have allowed me to accumulate vast amounts of wisdom and knowledge (:biggrin, everything about these years is certainly not all that "golden". That I can assure you!!! LOL

[OrangenowBlue]

While my age may have allowed me to accumulate vast amounts of wisdom and knowledge (:biggrin, everything about these years is certainly not all that "golden". That I can assure you!!! LOL

You are wasting your breath talking to the ADD/ADHD generation(and now drug babies). If it didn't happen within five years of the current date, they consider it ancient and do not have the capability to retain historical knowledge. Nor do they have the capabilities to learn, watch or have respect for anything that took place before they were born.

[RunItUpTheGut]

You are wasting your breath talking to the ADD/ADHD generation(and now drug babies). If it didn't happen within five years of the current date, they consider it ancient and do not have the capability to retain historical knowledge. Nor do they have the capabilities to learn, watch or have respect for anything that took place before they were born.

Im sorry, here you something that will help with the attitude
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Hopefully bob wont have to use any since hes not golden yet, but you my friend can have every one:biggrin:

[Bob Seger]

Im sorry, here you something that will help with the attitude
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Hopefully bob wont have to use any since hes not golden yet, but you my friend can have every one:biggrin:

As LeBoeuf stated , "I aint dead yet you bushwacker". You have to see the original Grit to understand that one gutrunner.:biggrin:

[LOOKAYANNER]

[quote=LOOKAYANNER]Wow!!! Some of you guys are really good movie critics. :igiveup:10 Oscar nominations. What a terrible movie!! Maybe you're waiting for Saw XII to come out so you can see what a great movie is all about.:biggrin:

And by the way, John Wayne is one of the greatest character actors of all time. Now, he wouldn't have been much playing Hamlet but the man knew how to make a Western. He was one of the best and there's very few of his movies that I pass on if they are showing TV.

His True Grit movie was very good and he won an Oscar for his role in it. This movie is very good as well, albeit with a different style.
Google up the most popular actors of the 1940's and 50's and you'll see that John Wayne was rated #1 by movie fans for about 10 straight years.

And on another note, I think the best Western ever made was 1969's The Wild Bunch with Robert Ryan, William Holden, Warren Oates, Earnest Borgnine, and Ben Johnson.[/QUOTE







1. I guess the bolded part is all sarcam, but I dont know what your basis is? I thought we could all have an opinion and I think evveryone is being respectful of each others opinions. Correct me if needed.

2. Who said it was terrible? I said I liked it, just not as well.

3. I never have seen the Wild Bunch, so I cant comment.

4. I cant dispute the rest of your post.

I was just being sarcastic with some of my comments (that's why I put a Big Grin smilie in the post), but imo both True Grits are good movies.
And I know we are just giving opinions but for some to say that John Wayne was not good at his trade (when he was the #1 box office draw for close to 15 years) is ludricrous even if it is an opinion.
That's my opinion about Wayne and eveidently a whole lot of other people's opinion too, at least in the movie world.

And I wasn't referrring to any one post but several of them, but I was trying to do it in a joking way. My apologies if I offended you.

[Bob Seger]

[quote=Bob Seger]
I was just being sarcastic with some of my comments (that's why I put a Big Grin smilie in the post), but imo both True Grits are good movies.
And I know we are just giving opinions but for some to say that John Wayne was not good at his trade (when he was the #1 box office draw for close to 15 years) is ludricrous even if it is an opinion.
That's my opinion about Wayne and eveidently a whole lot of other people's opinion too, at least in the movie world.

And I wasn't referrring to any one post but several of them, but I was trying to do it in a joking way. My apologies if I offended you.

No offense taken. All is cool.:Thumbs:

[RunItUpTheGut]

As LeBoeuf stated , "I aint dead yet you bushwacker". You have to see the original Grit to understand that one gutrunner.:biggrin:

:lmao:

[Aslan]

[quote=Bob Seger]
I was just being sarcastic with some of my comments (that's why I put a Big Grin smilie in the post), but imo both True Grits are good movies.
And I know we are just giving opinions but for some to say that John Wayne was not good at his trade (when he was the #1 box office draw for close to 15 years) is ludricrous even if it is an opinion.
That's my opinion about Wayne and eveidently a whole lot of other people's opinion too, at least in the movie world.

And I wasn't referrring to any one post but several of them, but I was trying to do it in a joking way. My apologies if I offended you.

Most of Leonardo Dicaprio's movies are #1 at the box office and you said he was awful . There many actors people consider great but I don't like them either. Tobey McGuire (He butchered the Spiderman movies), John Travolta (excluding Pulp Fiction), Paul Walker, Ben Affleck(excluding The Town), Hayden Christensen, and the worst one of all, Tom Cruise(never seen a decent movie of his!).
I'm not a big John Wayne fan, but you have to respect his accomplishments. My favorite western actor is Eastwood, I've liked every movie he's made.
Actors I like right now: Leonardo Dicaprio, Hugh Jackman, Michael Cain, Denzel Washington, Will Ferrel, Steve Carrel, etc.

[Bob Seger]

[quote=LOOKAYANNER]

Most of Leonardo Dicaprio's movies are #1 at the box office and you said he was awful . There many actors people consider great but I don't like them either. Tobey McGuire (He butchered the Spiderman movies), John Travolta (excluding Pulp Fiction), Paul Walker, Ben Affleck(excluding The Town), Hayden Christensen, and the worst one of all, Tom Cruise(never seen a decent movie of his!).
I'm not a big John Wayne fan, but you have to respect his accomplishments. My favorite western actor is Eastwood, I've liked every movie he's made.
Actors I like right now: Leonardo Dicaprio, Hugh Jackman, Michael Cain, Denzel Washington, Will Ferrel, Steve Carrel, etc.

Oops, you quoted LOOKAYANNER not me, but yeah I'm still sticking to my guns.:biggrin:


I will give him credit on one of his movies that I dont know the name of. He played a professional counterfeiter, who was brought out of prison to help the government capture like minds. That one was OK.

[Aslan]

[quote=Aslan]

Oops, you quoted LOOKAYANNER not me, but yeah I'm still sticking to my guns.:biggrin:


I will give him credit on one of his movies that I dont know the name of. He played a professional counterfeiter, who was brought out of prison to help the government capture like minds. That one was OK.

Catch Me If You Can.
It also has Tom Hanks in it.
This quote thing is messed up :\, lol