[TheRealVille]

What question? You said we can't afford another war because we didn't have the money. I'm asking you what CAN we pay for?

I unstand. You have no clue. :Thumbs:

[TheRealVille]

Who's going to pay for the $2.6+ trillion Obamcare over the next decade?

Some economist say it will save 126 million. Who's right?

[Hoot Gibson]

Some economist say it will save 126 million. Who's right?

Name that economist and the date on which he made that claim.

[SKINNYPIG]

I unstand. You have no clue. :Thumbs:

Yeah, I unstand too. I bet you are a great dodgeball player.

[TheRealVille]

Name that economist and the date on which he made that claim.

Here's one paper, but it is showing billions in savings. I can't find the 126 million one now, so I must have misread it. It had to have said 126 billion.

http://www.cms.gov/apps/files/ACA-saving...t-2012.pdf

Here's the whitehouse saying it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/04/0...es-deficit

More
http://www.hhs.gov/news/press/2012pres/0...0820a.html

And a few facts that the right try to hide. A must read!!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra...-care-act/

There's all kinds of savings links out there, but that doesn't play into the conservative model, therefore you skip over them.

[TheRealVille]

JERUSALEM — The reelection of President Obama has left Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu suddenly vulnerable as Israel’s own national election campaign begins to gather steam.

A strong favorite to win the Jan. 22 vote, Netanyahu is coming under criticism from political rivals who accuse him of having tilted toward Mitt Romney and alienated Obama, who as a second-term president could take a firmer stance toward Israel.

Opposition politicians are charging that Netanyahu — who has publicly confronted Obama over policy toward Iran and peace efforts with the Palestinians — is jeopardizing Israel’s long-standing alliance with the United States.

Netanyahu, who as head of the right-leaning Likud party plans to campaign on a platform of safeguarding Israel’s national security, has made several conciliatory gestures toward Obama in the days since the U.S. election, in an apparent effort to smooth over differences.

On Thursday, Netanyahu called Obama to congratulate him and pledged to “continue working together.” On Wednesday, he summoned the American ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, for a televised congratulatory meeting and declared that security relations between the two countries were “rock solid.”

Responding to his critics, Netanyahu charged Thursday that they were making a futile effort to “stir up trouble between us and the United States” and said that the two nations’ alliance remained strong.

Still, in an election that is likely to also be a referendum on his threat to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, Netanyahu’s campaign now has a weak spot, according to several analysts.

“Netanyahu is vulnerable on national security and foreign policy, because the opposition will argue that given his bad relationship with Obama and given the need to make critical decisions about Iran in the spring or the summer, he should be replaced,” said Eytan Gilboa, an expert on U.S.-Israeli relations at Bar-Ilan University.

Netanyahu publicly challenged Obama in September to take a more aggressive stance toward Iran, saying those who were not ready to draw “red lines” with Iran over its nuclear program did not have the “moral right” to prevent Israel from taking military action.

Obama’s call in May 2011 for a peace agreement with the Palestinians based on Israel’s 1967 borders got an icy reception from Netanyahu, who lectured Obama on the subject in the Oval Office. The two had clashed earlier over Israel’s settlement construction in the West Bank and East Jerusalem.

The two leaders’ tense relationship has invited comparisons to the rift between Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir and President George H.W. Bush over Israeli settlement construction in the early 1990s. That diplomatic showdown set the stage for Shamir’s subsequent electoral defeat.

Ehud Olmert, a former prime minister who is weighing a political comeback as the head of a centrist bloc even as he faces an appeal of his acquittal on corruption charges, told Jewish leaders in New York on Wednesday that Netanyahu had become a liability in relations with Washington.

“Following what Netanyahu has done in the last few months, the question is whether our prime minister has a friend in the White House,” Olmert said, according to an account from an aide that was published in Israeli media. “I am not sure of that, and it could be very significant to us at critical points.”

Yitzhak Herzog, a lawmaker from the left-of-center Labor Party, predicted that the lack of close relations between Obama and Netanyahu at a time of approaching “fateful decisions” will be “a problem for Netanyahu in the public.”

Shaul Mofaz, leader of the centrist Kadima party, told the Israeli television station Channel 2 that Netanyahu had “definitely caused damage” by seeming to bet on a Romney victory. “I think that a prime minister in Israel doesn’t do two things,” Mofaz said. “He doesn’t interfere in the elections in the U.S. and he doesn’t gamble on one of the candidates.”

Yet many of Netanyahu’s backers in Israel argue that the source of the problem is what they call Obama’s cool stance toward the prime minister, who they say is simply defending the country’s vital interests.

Abraham Diskin, a political scientist at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, said the opposition’s focus on relations with the United States is a “double-edged sword.” While Israelis value those ties, Diskin said, many have rallied behind Netanyahu in times of confrontation and believe that he has emerged with the upper hand.

Some Israeli commentators have speculated since Obama’s victory that he might repay Netanyahu in kind by indirectly endorsing his opponents in the Israeli election or take a tough line on advancing peace efforts with the Palestinians. Others predict that the chill in relations will only deepen.

“The American commitment to Israel’s security and continued existence will not change,” wrote Sima Kadmon, a columnist for the widely circulated Yediot Ahronot daily. “But regarding anything beyond that — there will be a cold shoulder.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/midd...story.html

[TheRealVille]

Netanyahu got caught with his pants down trying to help get his friend Romney get elected. Now he is taking backwater.

Israel is signaling a major change in tone toward U.S. President Barack Obama now that he has won reelection.

In an interview with CNN’s Christiane Amanpour on Thursday, Israel's Deputy Foreign Minister, Danny Ayalon, gave what could only be described as a ringing endorsement of the Obama administration’s handling of Iran’s nuclear program. It has been a very contentious issue between the two allies, with the U.S. fearing Israel might unilaterally strike Iran’s nuclear sites and drag the U.S. into an regional war.

But Ayalon told Amanpour that despite past differences with the Obama administration over Iran, “I think today we can safely say that we are very much on the same page and will continue to follow the lead of the U.S.”


Over the course of his first term in office, Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu have had a fraught relationship. They have disagreed on major issues, ranging from the Iranian nuclear program to a peace agreement with the Palestinians.

Netanyahu’s relationship with Obama’s challenger, Mitt Romney, dates back to the 1970s, when they worked at the same company in the United States - Netanyahu’s preference for a President Romney had been an open secret.

Ayalon admitted “there was a special kinship between Mr. Romney and Mr. Netanyahu,” but said Israel cannot afford to be meddling in U.S. politics.

Still, many Israelis are worried about payback against their leader for backing the wrong horse in the U.S. presidential sweepstakes. On Thursday, the leading Israeli newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth even carried the headline "Bibi gambled. We'll pay."

But Ayalon expressed no doubts that the relationship would get back on track. “I have full confidence knowing not only the president’s commitment, but also his team” he said. “In a way I see an advantage by the continuity of the administration being very seasoned, knowing very well the Iran file and portfolio, to continue and make sure Iran won’t become nuclear.”

Obama faces a world of challenges in second term

But Israel has not always said it would follow Obama’s lead. Israeli Journalist Ilana Dayan told Amanpour that Ayalon’s comments are in stark contrast to what Netanyahu told her just last Friday. “[Netayahu] very very strongly said if the United States doesn’t do it, we’ll have to do it ourselves.”

Has the U.S. election made the difference? Ayalon repeatedly told Amanpour, “We very much trust the leadership of the U.S., the leadership of President Obama,” he told Amanpour. “We have no better friend than President Obama.”

He then outlined the differences the U.S. and Israel has had over “timelines” for dealing with Iran’s nuclear program and their differences over whether the goal was to prevent Iran acquiring “nuclear capabilities” or “the bomb itself.”

Now he says, “We know that we will continue the consultations because we cannot afford not to work together because the issues are too big, too immense.”

On Thursday, Prime Minister Netanyahu called Obama to congratulate him on his win. Netanyahu's office said he told Obama that the re-election "was a vote of confidence in your leadership."

http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2012/11/08...?hpt=hp_t1

[Oldschoolplayer]

Both Romney and Obama along with their parties both spend tons of money. If you all truly want change you all should stop voting for Repubs and Dems!

[Benchwarmer]

We are broke. How do you propose that we pay for another war?

.Uhm how about stop giving every country that hates millions of dollars and apologizing for being American. Or, how about stop making 20 million dollar vacations after the election