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George Rogers Clark?
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What's the latest on the coaching search?
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Who did GRC get??
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chipper Wrote:Who did GRC get??

They hired Matt Ginter. Graduated from GRC. Played at Mississippi State and in the MLB.
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^ Where was Ginter at last?
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Stardust Wrote:^ Where was Ginter at last?

He just stepped away from playing baseball two years ago and he has had his own private pitching and hitting business for the last three or four years.
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PC Sports Wrote:He just stepped away from playing baseball two years ago and he has had his own private pitching and hitting business for the last three or four years.

How does that qualify him to be a head coach? The 10th Region will make this young man look like a fool.
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whatdorockssmelllike Wrote:How does that qualify him to be a head coach? The 10th Region will make this young man look like a fool.

He played for Ron Polk at Miss. State and professional baseball for over 10. I think he will be just fine. Polk has forgotten more about baseball than most know. Nice hire by GRC. Congrats.

I believe you are going to see the same discipline that coach Allison had, only with the energy that a 33 year old can provide. Parents/players in Clark County should be excited.
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Is that the same Matt Ginter that is from Winchester?
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whatdorockssmelllike Wrote:How does that qualify him to be a head coach? The 10th Region will make this young man look like a fool.

You give Ginter 3 or 4 years and he'll be winning that region every year...
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rawlingsfan Wrote:He played for Ron Polk at Miss. State and professional baseball for over 10. I think he will be just fine. Polk has forgotten more about baseball than most know. Nice hire by GRC. Congrats.

I believe you are going to see the same discipline that coach Allison had, only with the energy that a 33 year old can provide. Parents/players in Clark County should be excited.

I think it can work to, however, those who have forgot more about a subject than most of us know does not translate into their ability to teach the game, execute the X's & O's and then have the business acumen to run a "Business"> Too often what is totally not put into the equation is the individuals ability to run a program. Budget, Fund raise, Public Relations (parents, administration, general fan base). If coaches only had to go out and teach a player how to bunt, or go out to the field make a line-up, then all would be grand. But if a coach has had ZERO head coaching experience and truly have to relate to all aspects that it takes to run an organization, there is no way to predict that individuals success.
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JackRabbitSlim Wrote:You give Ginter 3 or 4 years and he'll be winning that region every year...

Why? Because he was a great player?
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Stardust Wrote:Why? Because he was a great player?

That among several other things. He knows exactly what it takes to win and all those other factors will work themselves out. When you have the opportunity to hire a guy with the experience he has you better jump on it? I think they made a great choice in this hire?
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Stardust Wrote:I think it can work to, however, those who have forgot more about a subject than most of us know does not translate into their ability to teach the game, execute the X's & O's and then have the business acumen to run a "Business"> Too often what is totally not put into the equation is the individuals ability to run a program. Budget, Fund raise, Public Relations (parents, administration, general fan base). If coaches only had to go out and teach a player how to bunt, or go out to the field make a line-up, then all would be grand. But if a coach has had ZERO head coaching experience and truly have to relate to all aspects that it takes to run an organization, there is no way to predict that individuals success.

JackRabbitSlim Wrote:That among several other things. He knows exactly what it takes to win and all those other factors will work themselves out. When you have the opportunity to hire a guy with the experience he has you better jump on it? I think they made a great choice in this hire?

Taking into account my previous post, how does being a great player translate into being a great coach?

I've seen many instances where players have came straight into a role of running an entire program and not just teaching the game, and they struggle with an atmosphere that they were totally not prepared for.
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Stardust Wrote:Taking into account my previous post, how does being a great player translate into being a great coach?

I've seen many instances where players have came straight into a role of running an entire program and not just teaching the game, and they struggle with an atmosphere that they were totally not prepared for.


yes those instances are out there, but there are also more instances of coaches with that much experience coaching high school baseball that have done extremely well? There are not a lot of high school head coaches in kentucky with that much pro experience and to assume that isn't an asset is crazy to me? There is no way to convince me that somebody with great organizational skills with little baseball experience is going to be a better coach than what Ginter has? That is just a really silly way of looking at it? And how do you know that Matt Ginter doesn't know how to do all these things? For all we know he may be the best fundraiser on the planet, but that is not what the people hiring him were worried about im sure? I'm sure that was never even brought up?
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JackRabbitSlim Wrote:yes those instances are out there, but there are also more instances of coaches with that much experience coaching high school baseball that have done extremely well? There are not a lot of high school head coaches in kentucky with that much pro experience and to assume that isn't an asset is crazy to me? There is no way to convince me that somebody with great organizational skills with little baseball experience is going to be a better coach than what Ginter has? That is just a really silly way of looking at it? And how do you know that Matt Ginter doesn't know how to do all these things? For all we know he may be the best fundraiser on the planet, but that is not what the people hiring him were worried about im sure? I'm sure that was never even brought up?

Two examples of the opposite - Brossart (Matt Grosser) and Newport Catholic (Jeff Schulkins) two outstanding baseball programs in the state of Kentucky, and both teams head coaches never played HS baseball, much less having any experience beyond that. Both have learned the game, but both are tremendous at running the business of a baseball program. I'm not saying it can work, but it's just not a given that someone coming from such high levels with absolutely zero experience (even coaching a youth soccer team would help) can translate into a head coach that can run a successful sports program. Sure, experience such as Ginter's cannot be questioned and would be probably the most cherished asset on a hiring schools list of wants, but you cannot translate that into success.
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Stardust Wrote:Two examples of the opposite - Brossart (Matt Grosser) and Newport Catholic (Jeff Schulkins) two outstanding baseball programs in the state of Kentucky, and both teams head coaches never played HS baseball, much less having any experience beyond that. Both have learned the game, but both are tremendous at running the business of a baseball program. I'm not saying it can work, but it's just not a given that someone coming from such high levels with absolutely zero experience (even coaching a youth soccer team would help) can translate into a head coach that can run a successful sports program. Sure, experience such as Ginter's cannot be questioned and would be probably the most cherished asset on a hiring schools list of wants, but you cannot translate that into success.

One thing you might want to take into consideration is what he's learned throughout his experience? As many years as he's given to the game he's been able to take bits and pieces of several different styles to create his own, and I'm sure on several occasions he's learned what not to do? He knows how a program is run, mainly because he's played for several different programs? The two examples you mentioned is not something that is normal and they stand alone in that respect. I think experience is always your best teacher and if I had the choice of the two I will pick having baseball experience everytime?

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