[Pulp Fiction]

Yes, Jesus is the Son of God.
Yes, Jesus was born to a Jewish virgin named Mary.
Yes, Jesus was crucified and died. (He Was Not murdered).
Yes, Jesus was laid in a Tomb.

Folks.... If that's all that happened, we'd be of all men most miserable. Cause their would be no hope for eternal salvation.

But on that first Easter morning, Jesus arose from the Tomb. After being dead for 3 days.... Jesus got up, the stone was rolled away and Jesus came forth.


(Acts Ch. 1; Verse 1-11 KJV)

Acts 1: 1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven


He Didn't Stay Dead..... And Won't Stay Gone.

[Pulp Fiction]

Luke 24: 1-7

1 Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them.

2 And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre.

3 And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.

4 And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:

5 And as they were afraid, and bowed down their faces to the earth, they said unto them, Why seek ye the living among the dead?

6 He is not here, but is risen: remember how he spake unto you when he was yet in Galilee,

7 Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.



That my friends.... Is what Easter is about. Every letter, word, verse, chapter and book of the Bible is important. But I Bolded the highlights of these 7 verses.

[TheRealVille]

If you are going to post this in the political/current events section, you open up a path for debate. FTR though, I am happy that you get to celebrate easter.

[TheRealVille]

BTW, the rising story in all the gospels is what first got me on the path to where I'm at today.

[Pulp Fiction]

BTW, the rising story in all the gospels is what first got me on the path to where I'm at today.

Care to share what happened?

[TheRealThing]

Care to share what happened?

Secular wisdom maintains there are contradictions among the 4 Gospels. There isn't really, of course.

[TheRealVille]

Care to share what happened?

Was it daylight or before daylight? Or, dawn or before dawn? Was it dark out, or not?

[TheRealVille]

Secular wisdom maintains there are contradictions among the 4 Gospels. There isn't really, of course.

Reading the four gospels, over and over, are the first part of the path to where I'm at today. I found a bunch on my own several years ago, but this site below will give you an idea.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/contra_res.htm


You will probably just try to switch the focus to the fact that a muslim wrote that, but try to focus on the discrepancies, I found them myself years ago, with noout side help.

[Hoot Gibson]

Reading the four gospels, over and over, are the first part of the path to where I'm at today. I found a bunch on my own several years ago, but this site below will give you an idea.
http://www.answering-christianity.com/contra_res.htm


You will probably just try to switch the focus to the fact that a muslim wrote that, but try to focus on the discrepancies, I found them myself years ago, with noout side help.

...on a 9-11 truther web site to boot.

[TheRealVille]

...on a 9-11 truther web site to boot.

Does it matter wrote wrote it, if the discrepancies are there? See, that's what's happens with people like you, you focus on the writer, not the facts. It's easy to find many sites, but just use the bible link for your self, and don't concentrate on who writes it. I knew somebody like you or TRT would turn it around.


https://sites.google.com/site/investigat...surrection

[TheRealVille]

http://galileounchained.com/2012/04/09/c...account-2/

[TheRealVille]

Don't worry about who told about the discrepancies, look them up for yourselves, and explain them. The verses, and books are noted.

1. Matthew 28:1 states two women (Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary) came to the tomb; Mark 16:1 states it was three women (Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome); Luke 24:10 agrees it was three women but gives a different list of three than Mark (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James); John 20:1 states it was only Mary Magdalene.

2. Mark 16:2 states "the sun had risen" at the time of this visit, while John 20:1 states "it was still dark."

3. Matthew 28:2 says "an angel" "came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it"; Mark 16:5 says the women encountered "a young man sitting at the right" of the tomb (rather than upon the stone); Luke 24:4 says they saw "two men" who "suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing"; in John 20:1, Mary Magdalene saw nothing other than a moved stone.

4. There is also a discrepancy as to whatever dialogue occurred between this angel(s) or man (men) and the women: Matthew 28:5-7 and Mark 16:6-7 generally agree the women were told that Jesus (peace be upon him) had risen, and instructed to advise the disciples that "He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him" (Matthew 28:7), and ; Luke 24:6-7 contains no instruction to advise the disciples about an appearance by Issa in Galilee.

5. To whom did Jesus (peace be upon him) appear first: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary as Matthew 28:9 claims? Mary Magdalene only as Mark 16:9 claims? Cephas (Peter) and then the other disciples, as 1 Corinthians 15:5 claims? Matthew 28:9 claims that Issa (peace be upon him) appeared before the women even had reported to the disciples what the found (or didnt) at the tomb. Also in Mark 16:9 the appearance to Mary Magdalene was before Mary made any report to the disciples. However, John and Luke report no appearance before the women reported an empty tomb to the disciples.

6. Which disciples went to the tomb: Peter alone (Luke 24:12)? Peter and John (John 20:2-8)? Did the disciples believe the reports of the women (or woman) and proceed to Galilee, as Matthew 28:16 claims? Or did they disbelieve these reports as Mark 16:11 and Luke 24:11 claim?

7. In appearing to the disciples, to whom did Jesus (peace be upon him) first appear: All eleven together (Matthew 28:17-18)? Two of them on the road, then to all eleven together (Mark 16:12-14 and Luke 24:13-31)? To ten of the eleven (minus Thomas) together (John 20:19-24)? To Peter, then the others (1 Corinthians 15:5)? The story recounted in John 20:25-29 is all premised on an appearance of Jesus (peace be upon him) before the disciples at which Thomas was not present! Matthew 28:17-18, Mark 16:12-14 and Luke 24:13-31 all disagree with John about any such meeting taking place in the absence of Thomas!

8. In Acts and the Gospel of Luke, the disciples were commanded to stay in Jerusalem and, in fact, met Jesus (peace be upon him) there (see Acts 1:4 and Luke 24:33, 47, 49). In Matthew 28:10 and Mark 16:6-7, the disciples are commanded to go to Galilee, and in Matthew 28:16-18, we are told they see Jesus (peace be upon him) there, not in or near Jerusalem!

9. Mark says that after appearing before the eleven disciples together in Gallilee, Jesus (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven (Mark 16: 14, 19). Luke says Jesus (peace be upon him) ascended to Heaven at Bethany after walking with the disciples some time (Luke 24:50-51). John says Jesus (peace be upon him) appeared to the disciples at three times and that some of these appearances were near the Sea of Gallilee (Lake Tiberias) (John 21:1, 14). According to Acts the disciples were at Mt. Olivet, a days journey from Jerusalem, when the ascension occurred (Acts 1:9-12).

10. In 1 Corinthians 15:5-8, it is claimed that Jesus (peace be upon him) appeared to more than five hundred witnesses before his ascent to heaven - a claim directly contradicted at least by Mark, who says the ascension occurred immediately after an appearance before the eleven disciples (Mark 16: 14, 19).

[Hoot Gibson]

Does it matter wrote wrote it, if the discrepancies are there? See, that's what's happens with people like you, you focus on the writer, not the facts.

You constantly criticize the source of articles posted by conservatives and ridicule people for using sites like Fox News to support their positions.

Now, you post an article bashing Christianity (yet again, on Easter no less) written by a radical Muslim on a web site that believes that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job, despite bin Laden's taped confession. And you think that it is unreasonable for me to criticize you for linking to a website created by Muslim lunatics for Muslim lunatics?

:biglmao:

[TheRealVille]

You constantly criticize the source of articles posted by conservatives and ridicule people for using sites like Fox News to support their positions.

Now, you post an article bashing Christianity (yet again, on Easter no less) written by a radical Muslim on a web site that believes that the 9-11 attacks were an inside job, despite bin Laden's taped confession. And you think that it is unreasonable for me to criticize you for linking to a website created by Muslim lunatics for Muslim lunatics?

:biglmao:

If you don't want to focus on the facts, don't. Let's go one step at a time then. Was it dark, or had the sun risen?


Maybe they should have kept it out of the politics/current events section, where there is a lot of debate on most threads. Did you see me post on the one in the General Discussions section? But, as you say, I'll post when and where I want. If you don't want to read it, don't look.

[Hoot Gibson]

If you don't want to focus on the facts, don't. Let's go one step at a time then. Was it dark, or had the sun risen?

The fact is you get a kick out of bashing Christians. The fact that you gather your "facts" from radical Muslim websites emphasizes that point. I respect everybody's religious beliefs who do likewise. Even most atheists would refrain from attacking Christianity on Easter and Christmas.

[Hoot Gibson]

If you don't want to focus on the facts, don't. Let's go one step at a time then. Was it dark, or had the sun risen?


Maybe they should have kept it out of the politics/current events section, where there is a lot of debate on most threads. Did you see me post on the one in the General Discussions section? But, as you say, I'll post when and where I want. If you don't want to read it, don't look.

I will continue to read and correct your posts and point out instances of hypocrisy as I see fit.

[TheRealVille]

The fact is you get a kick out of bashing Christians. The fact that you gather your "facts" from radical Muslim websites emphasizes that point. I respect everybody's religious beliefs who do likewise. Even most atheists would refrain from attacking Christianity on Easter and Christmas.

As you might notice, people here will jump at any opportunity to bash me. I return fire with fire.

[TheRealThing]

As you might notice, people here will jump at any opportunity to bash me. I return fire with fire.

Hypothetical. Six people go camping. One of them meets an untimely demise. The police then interview the remaining five campers.

Now, if all five stories totally jive detail for detail, the police are going to smell a rat. The reason? Normally no two people are going to see an event in exactly the same terms. And therefore they have taken time to corroborate their stories. There will always be a general adherence to an overall progression of events, but they will never be exactly the same. Different people went to the tomb, very likely at different times and probably some of them more than once, and even with different companions. In Mark 16 for instance, the two Mary's came to the tomb to anoint the body of Christ with ointment at dawn. Therefore the accounts and details do not necessarily mean you have proven the Bible is errant or sloppy, or even dishonest.

Remember, the Lord's followers were broken hearted and dumbstruck with the recent events. The One they believed to be the Son of God was dead.
Belief and trust that Jesus was the Messiah, had stirred great hope in their hearts and the long prayed for deliverance from Roman tyranny which, a day or two prior seemed to be within their grasp, and now has suddenly and ruthlessly been ripped away from them. I can accept the differing accounts with out question.

Additionally, even though leaders of the Sanhedrin did not believe Jesus was the Son of God, they were smart enough to anticipate that die-hard followers might try to steal the body of Jesus in order to make it seem that He had indeed risen as promised from the dead. Thus the Sanhedrin went to Pilate and shared their concerns. Recognizing the threat was real, Pilate granted the Sanhedrin "a watch". A watch was not just one guard, it was a compliment of guards who would rotate duty as often as necessary to stay vigilant enough to accomplish the task Pilate had charged them with. No small thing if you know anything about Roman army military bearing. We know the stone that was in front of the tomb was of very great size and that the tomb was sealed with Pilate's seal. And we know that the two guards on duty were rendered as dead men at the sight of the angel. Nobody else that walked this earth at that time would have dared to try to break that Roman seal.

If Pilate, or anybody else had any evidence that the resurrection of Jesus was a sham, history would surely have recorded it. And I guarantee those guards wouldn't have helped to fake His rising, or in any way have been complicitory. Because failure to carry out the Governor's orders carried the death penalty for them. There were people there at the tomb from the time the Lord was laid within until He arose, and after.

[TheRealVille]

^ That's one way to explain away contradictions in a collection of books that the "main" author say's he isn't the author of confusion.

[Pulp Fiction]

Yes, Jesus is the Son of God.
Yes, Jesus was born to a Jewish virgin named Mary.
Yes, Jesus was crucified and died. (He Was Not murdered).
Yes, Jesus was laid in a Tomb.

Folks.... If that's all that happened, we'd be of all men most miserable. Cause their would be no hope for eternal salvation.

But on that first Easter morning, Jesus arose from the Tomb. After being dead for 3 days.... Jesus got up, the stone was rolled away and Jesus came forth.


(Acts Ch. 1; Verse 1-11 KJV)

Acts 1: 1 The former treatise have I made, O Theophilus, of all that Jesus began both to do and teach,

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Acts 1:3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with [them], commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, [saith he], ye have heard of me.

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Acts 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

Acts 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven


He Didn't Stay Dead..... And Won't Stay Gone.

Had to re-do... make sure the Red words are correct. Those are pretty important.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

As you might notice, people here will jump at any opportunity to bash me. I return fire with fire.

Good to see TheRealVille back. I was afraid that he was lost with the Lois Lerner emails, that he disappeared while awaiting an appointment with the VA, or that he was busy registering the illegals as Democrats down in Mexico.

[TheRealThing]

Good to see TheRealVille back. I was afraid that he was lost with the Lois Lerner emails, that he disappeared while awaiting an appointment with the VA, or that he was busy registering the illegals as Democrats down in Mexico.

Well, that may still turn out to be the case. The post you quoted was from back in March of 2013. :biggrin: