[bo67]

Highlands has updated their non resident students wanting to transfer to Highlands. They must submit ALL school records. This means if a kid is a trouble maker or poor student. They might not be allowed in. It shouldn't hurt their athletic program. They've NEVER recruited.

[LCbballfan]

Bo you sure spend a lot of time bashing at Highlands whenever you can. They are only a great academic school and athletic school. BTW all students who enter new schools or schools not in their district must send all school records before entering. There football team is down for a year. The number of wins, state titles all speak for themselves. Who is your school anyways and please don't say a Catholic school if you are talking recruitment.

[Willie Turnover]

Hate to stereotype but Bad behavior , poor students sometimes make your best football players. If you don't believe me ask Fran Curci.

[Stardust]

Umm - EVERY SCHOOL RECRUITS. That is part of our responsibilities of coaches. We hold our camps, advertise our sports, blast out on social media our sport specific news, all because we have a responsibility to RECRUIT! It is our schools responsibility to ensure that all of the best students come to our school instead of the Private school 1 mile away. What fool really thinks "Recruiting is not allowed!"? The state allows for prospective students to come to the school and talk to the administrators and YES, the coaches! IT IS ALLOWED PEOPLE!!!!

What I cannot do is contact an individual or during my conversation with him tell him what he will do on my squad! When people start talking about recruiting, I sure as hell wish they knew what they were talking about!!!

[RicFlair]

Umm - EVERY SCHOOL RECRUITS. That is part of our responsibilities of coaches. We hold our camps, advertise our sports, blast out on social media our sport specific news, all because we have a responsibility to RECRUIT! It is our schools responsibility to ensure that all of the best students come to our school instead of the Private school 1 mile away. What fool really thinks "Recruiting is not allowed!"? The state allows for prospective students to come to the school and talk to the administrators and YES, the coaches! IT IS ALLOWED PEOPLE!!!!

What I cannot do is contact an individual or during my conversation with him tell him what he will do on my squad! When people start talking about recruiting, I sure as hell wish they knew what they were talking about!!!

http://khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/20132014/bylaw16.pdf
#1 is as far as you have to read

[bo67]

So they are allowed to jump from state to state, county to county and city to city in every state in the country??? If so. I will say I was wrong. But Stardust my FOOL watch your mouth Several years back why did Mike Mitchell get Highlands in trouble? I'm asking cause I don't actually know.

[Iam4thecats]

EVERY school in the state of Kentucky has the right to turn away any non-resident student that they want. Why do you think this is new?

[bo67]

They can turn them away. But can they welcome all with open arms? For sports purposes.

[bo67]

Someone explain the Mike Mitchell incident to me.

[Iam4thecats]

Every school system in the state of Kentucky accepts non-resident students except the Boone county schools.

[mysonis55]

We have had that for years. We had a kid recently that played football and was a role player at mostly linebacker. This kid was really going to help us with baseball though as the coaching staff learned he was going to be a really good pitcher. He missed his grades by, U think 1 percentage point. He had to go back to the county school system.

[BFritz]

Someone explain the Mike Mitchell incident to me.

I'm not even 100% sure on the specific details anymore because it happened so long ago.

There were three players- Mike Mitchell, Mike Stowers, Nick Sheffield (spelling?)- and at least Sheffield was struggling with grades at CCH and wanted out.

Sheffield transferred to Highlands. Mike Stowers wanted out, so he punched a kid and got kicked out on purpose (and then everyone jumped in with "oh, they were forced out because they were black! Then why wasn't every other black kid there forced out, geniuses?), and then Mitchell eventually followed suit (don't know if he stayed the entire year or not).

They all went to Highlands, and Sheffield and Stowers apparently "moved in with relatives in Fort Thomas" or something. Mitchell enrolled there but had to get an injunction to play football because he was out-of-district.

All three transferred there to play football, and then the state made them forfeit all the games Mitchell played in (except for the state title, which I forget if he even played), because they couldn't even attempt to pass it off as anything non-football related.

Like I posted in a forum a while back, a guy who I see pretty regularly went to Highlands, but lived in Bellevue, and rattled off six or seven names of kids that he graduated with that were from nowhere near Fort Thomas (pretty sure that Nevels was one, which I know he's not because I played pee-wee against a Nevels from the Simon Kenton area *assuming they're related).

[mantax]

I'm not even 100% sure on the specific details anymore because it happened so long ago.

There were three players- Mike Mitchell, Mike Stowers, Nick Sheffield (spelling?)- and at least Sheffield was struggling with grades at CCH and wanted out.

Sheffield transferred to Highlands. Mike Stowers wanted out, so he punched a kid and got kicked out on purpose (and then everyone jumped in with "oh, they were forced out because they were black! Then why wasn't every other black kid there forced out, geniuses?), and then Mitchell eventually followed suit (don't know if he stayed the entire year or not).

They all went to Highlands, and Sheffield and Stowers apparently "moved in with relatives in Fort Thomas" or something. Mitchell enrolled there but had to get an injunction to play football because he was out-of-district.

All three transferred there to play football, and then the state made them forfeit all the games Mitchell played in (except for the state title, which I forget if he even played), because they couldn't even attempt to pass it off as anything non-football related.

Like I posted in a forum a while back, a guy who I see pretty regularly went to Highlands, but lived in Bellevue, and rattled off six or seven names of kids that he graduated with that were from nowhere near Fort Thomas (pretty sure that Nevels was one, which I know he's not because I played pee-wee against a Nevels from the Simon Kenton area *assuming they're related).

And why were they at CovCath to start with? Were all 5 not from Boone County and the Boone County Pee Wee League? Keep reaching. I guess is does get pretty old getting your a$$ handed to you every year on the football field. I am almost certain it is because they get kids from all over Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee and West Virginia.

Nice thread there Bo. Your grudge with the football Birds is simply too much to deal with.

[bo67]

Then don't deal. I hold aces

[bo67]

Deal this one. My sophomore year. Kid came from Ohio cause he was too old to play in that state. Only his senior year. Parents stayed in Ohio. He had an appartment. And no one else lived there. How do I know. I was in the damn thing several times. I have more aces too. Don't under estimate what I know. Grudge? You're right. Mr Short Man shouldn't have pissed me off.

[BFritz]

And why were they at CovCath to start with? Were all 5 not from Boone County and the Boone County Pee Wee League? Keep reaching. I guess is does get pretty old getting your a$$ handed to you every year on the football field. I am almost certain it is because they get kids from all over Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee and West Virginia.

Nice thread there Bo. Your grudge with the football Birds is simply too much to deal with.

Like most kids who go to CCH strictly for sports, they were rooted out.

Most kids come from Kenton County and from the feeder system.

[LCbballfan]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Boone County doesn't take non residents but they do allow open enrollment t to whichever school you want in the county. If that's the case which I'm sure it is then kids from anywhere in Campbell going to Highlands shouldn't be a big deal. Shame on Highlands for being good academically, being able to help them get to college and winning in sports, if it weren't for all that no one would want to go there.

[nky]

And why were they at CovCath to start with? Were all 5 not from Boone County and the Boone County Pee Wee League? Keep reaching. I guess is does get pretty old getting your a$$ handed to you every year on the football field. I am almost certain it is because they get kids from all over Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana, Tennessee and West Virginia.

Nice thread there Bo. Your grudge with the football Birds is simply too much to deal with.

Maybe because there is no Catholic school in Boone Co playing football?

[nky]

Umm - EVERY SCHOOL RECRUITS. That is part of our responsibilities of coaches. We hold our camps, advertise our sports, blast out on social media our sport specific news, all because we have a responsibility to RECRUIT! It is our schools responsibility to ensure that all of the best students come to our school instead of the Private school 1 mile away. What fool really thinks "Recruiting is not allowed!"? The state allows for prospective students to come to the school and talk to the administrators and YES, the coaches! IT IS ALLOWED PEOPLE!!!!

What I cannot do is contact an individual or during my conversation with him tell him what he will do on my squad! When people start talking about recruiting, I sure as hell wish they knew what they were talking about!!!

hh:don't give out the secret

[BFritz]

Correct me if I'm wrong but Boone County doesn't take non residents but they do allow open enrollment t to whichever school you want in the county. If that's the case which I'm sure it is then kids from anywhere in Campbell going to Highlands shouldn't be a big deal. Shame on Highlands for being good academically, being able to help them get to college and winning in sports, if it weren't for all that no one would want to go there.

The kids that transferred from CovCath weren't from Campbell County, they were from Boone, and CovCath has some of the best, if not the best, academics around.

CovCath is amazing at preparing kids for college and, if they're good enough, can also draw a lot of interest for a student-athlete.

[bo67]

ANYWAYS? I know when Highlands got beat by Cooper my grandson was kicking ass on whoever he was blocking. More than one too.

[charlie22]

Deal this one. My sophomore year. Kid came from Ohio cause he was too old to play in that state. Only his senior year. Parents stayed in Ohio. He had an appartment. And no one else lived there. How do I know. I was in the damn thing several times. I have more aces too. Don't under estimate what I know. Grudge? You're right. Mr Short Man shouldn't have pissed me off.

Bo, and I have more aces that you do my friend. And you know it. So you don't want to piss ME off.

Your sophomore year would have been about 1965 or so correct? Since the kid was too old to play in Ohio, I assume he was at least 18 and was legally able to rent an apartment and live on his own. What were the KHSAA rules in 1966? Did they even prevent the situation you describe (assuming for discussion purposes your limited observation based facts are correct)?

If you want to continue your vendetta against "Mr. Short Man", at least talk relatively recent current history in your accusations. If you have facts about kids illegally playing at Highlands during Brian's tenure as the HC, let's hear them. Otherwise, you are throwing stones at Homer, Owen, Murph, Dale etc. I'm sure they'll be real happy to learn that's what you are doing. I'll give you some more ancient history since you evidently enjoy it. I played on the 75 state championship team coached by Roger. Not one kid on our state championship team was from outside the City. And no, none of them move to the City their senior year. Oh, and BFritz, we beat CovCath 55-6 that year without the benefit of non resident students playing for Highlands.

As for Mitchell, I know the facts well. Really well.

Mitchell's family moved to Ft. Thomas the summer before his senior year (rented an apartment). The KHSAA never disputed that. Evidence proved that the entire family moved. Evidence indicated that other than one or two trips back to their former home to pick up furniture, the family did not step foot in the former home. All physical evidence and oral testimony indicated that the Mitchells were living full time in their Ft. Thomas apartment. KHSAA offered zero evidence to support any theory that the apartment lease was a sham or the family was still living in Florence.

Nor did the KHSAA ever assert or offer any evidence that the transfer was for athletic reasons. Neither Lynn Ray nor the CovCath administration ever assert that the transfer was for athletic reasons. At least there is nothing in the record to support such.

THE reason the KHSAA ruled Mitchell ineligible was because the Mitchells didn't sell their former home in Florence, but rather leased it to their son and the son's friend. That was the sole factor relied upon by the KHSAA. The KHSAA felt that the change of residence wasn't bona fide or permanent. Interestingly enough the word permanent was not in the transfer rule at the time.....KHSAA added the word subsequent to the Mitchell case. There was not (and to the best of my knowledge, there still isn't) anything in the transfer rule stating that in order for there to be a bona fide change of residence, the former home must be sold. If such a factor is so important for the KHSAA to determine a kid ineligible when all the oral and written evidence indicates a bona fide change of residence, one would think the transfer rule would explicitly state that the former home must be sold.

interesting is the fact that the KHSAA, both prior and subsequent to the Mitchell case, has allowed kids to be eligible when parents didn't sell their former homes. Again, there is nothing in By Law 6 stating that in order for there to be a valid change of residence the former home must be sold. You know why? Because the KHSAA back then wanted to pick and choose when they could rule a kid ineligible.

So are the words "arbitrary" and "capricious" coming the anyone's mind?

Which is why the injunction was issued by the court.

The KHSAA ultimately overturned it's own sanctions against Highlands and the forfeited wins restored and the fine returned.

Lest someone want to question my knowledge of the Mitchell situation and the KHSAA, I attended the court hearings. While I wasn't the Mitchells' attorney, as an attorney and a Highlands fan, I wanted to hear the testimony. I read the court briefs (as public record they were accessible by everyone). AFTER Mitchell's senior year and AFTER the sanctions were imposed by the KHSAA, I was appointed by the Ky State Board of Education to the KHSAA Board of Control and I served on it for two terms. I've been off the board for about 4 years now. So I am well aware of the actions engaged in by the Board of Control and the former Commissioner back then. Perhaps my greatest contribution the improving the KHSAA was convincing the State Board of Education that the Board of Control had to be removed from the eligibility process. Things may not be perfect today, but they are one heck of a lot better for the kids then they were just 5 years ago.

[Stardust]

http://khsaa.org/handbook/bylaws/20132014/bylaw16.pdf
#1 is as far as you have to read

And what I said was specific to not asking the kid to come to my school for my sport! But recruiting, yes, your school recruits to! I'm not sure how this is even debatable! Introducing students, whether they are athletes or not, is 100% allowable to any school in the commonwealth!