Paintsville Football?

Tiger3 · 08-30-2010, 08:23 AM

What is the solution?

Evil Eye · 08-30-2010, 09:30 AM

If you are good at football then go to Johnson Central!!!

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 08-30-2010, 10:44 AM

Well lets see how this season pans out first. But in the end Paintsville is just in a downswing of talent it happens at Single-A schools. There is alot of athletic talent in the middle school and freshman/sophomore classes give them time they will develop into good football players. Really the solution would be one good year to get all the atheletes playing football again.

**BlackcatAlum** · 08-30-2010, 12:00 PM

Paintsville hasn't been the old Paintsville over the past two or three seasons, but neither has Pikeville and many other schools.

It happens, teams have their down years. Folks are just going to have to realize that.

Pupaw · 08-30-2010, 02:19 PM

From what I can tell, it's just lack of talent, and lack of interest. Many kids will be pumped and psyched for football season to start, but when they get beat early on by bigger schools and better teams, the interest goes down very quickly. The coaches take a lot of heat for the lack of success over the past few years, but I just feel like the players are more focused on other things rather than football and other sports. People point fingers at the coaches, and disagree with their scheme of football etc. But the players mentalities are not the same as they were under Brugh, or even Lemaster. It starts with the kids. Something has to change in their mindset before anything can be done about this once storied program.

Has Been · 08-30-2010, 04:16 PM

Pupaw Wrote:From what I can tell, it's just lack of talent, and lack of interest. Many kids will be pumped and psyched for football season to start, but when they get beat early on by bigger schools and better teams, the interest goes down very quickly. The coaches take a lot of heat for the lack of success over the past few years, but I just feel like the players are more focused on other things rather than football and other sports. People point fingers at the coaches, and disagree with their scheme of football etc. But the players mentalities are not the same as they were under Brugh, or even Lemaster. It starts with the kids. Something has to change in their mindset before anything can be done about this once storied program.

Very good point...

Superman20 · 08-30-2010, 04:37 PM

Pupaw Wrote:From what I can tell, it's just lack of talent, and lack of interest. Many kids will be pumped and psyched for football season to start, but when they get beat early on by bigger schools and better teams, the interest goes down very quickly. The coaches take a lot of heat for the lack of success over the past few years, but I just feel like the players are more focused on other things rather than football and other sports. People point fingers at the coaches, and disagree with their scheme of football etc. But the players mentalities are not the same as they were under Brugh, or even Lemaster. It starts with the kids. Something has to change in their mindset before anything can be done about this once storied program.

The numbers aren't there like they used to be, which hurts. I disagree with your points on coaching though. Paintsville has a very young coaching staff. I just hate that Jason hasn't got any help from alumni that has more coaching experience. The only coach I know of that has coached at all in the past is Dustin Hall (defensive coordinator). I figured Dustin would run the offense, but I was informed he's over the defense this season. Over time the staff will get better, and the players will get better.

WildDawg · 08-30-2010, 04:43 PM

Look to Lawrence County for rebuilding principles. Downsize the schedule for a couple years to get the confidence back and work on developing the younger talent.

Superman20 · 08-30-2010, 06:08 PM

One of the best young football coaches in the area is at JC, and he's a Paintsville alumni. . Justin Arms is doing a great job and will end up being a top notch head coach one of these days..considering he's learning from one of the best coaches in eastern ky. It wouldnt surprise me to see Justin being one of matneys top assistant coaches one of these days

mr.charlie hustle · 08-30-2010, 09:41 PM

QUESTION: Is a lack of blocking and arm tackling conducive to games in the W column? Defense : (given up 130 pts.) Offense Sad

three scores on opponents bench). Lot's of responsibility to go around, but I will take the players on the lesser side. Go Tiger team we love you guys. Hey gentlemen I can remember a Tiger team a few years ago that I don't believe won a game and the scores were reasonably close. They did not lead the state in points allowed nor were they very talented. There were however reasonably coached. Tigers::Cheerlead:Clap:

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 08-30-2010, 10:39 PM

mr.charlie hustle Wrote:QUESTION: Is a lack of blocking and arm tackling conducive to games in the W column? Defense : (given up 130 pts.) Offensethree scores on opponents bench). Lot's of responsibility to go around, but I will take the players on the lesser side. Go Tiger team we love you guys. Hey gentlemen I can remember a Tiger team a few years ago that I don't believe won a game and the scores were reasonably close. They did not lead the state in points allowed nor were they very talented. There were however reasonably coached. Tigers::Cheerlead:Clap:

7 points on P-Burgs starters.

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 08-30-2010, 10:41 PM

Fridays game is the deciding point for this season if the tigers can pull it off they will be confident going into district play. This could very well end up being a good year yet.

eastkyfootballfan · 08-30-2010, 11:55 PM

A win Friday could turn the season around. Good luck tigers

**Pulp Fiction** · 08-31-2010, 12:26 AM

Looking at the remaining 8 games.... I'm gonna say the tigers end-up with a 3-7 record.
Vs. Magoffin - L
@ South Floyd - W
Vs. Allen Central - L
Vs. Pineville - W
Vs. Betsy Layne - L
@ Phelps - W
Vs. Pikeville - L
@ Fairview - L
2 district wins will put them in the playoffs.
And you can thank the genius who cancelled the Apple Bowl, that could be the ultimate downturn of paintsville football.

**vundy33** · 08-31-2010, 03:45 AM

Most of the good players in the county just head on over to JC IMO...

Pupaw · 08-31-2010, 10:22 AM

As far as the coaching goes, for some reason Paintsville has hired people with little to no experience in coaching at the varsity level to coach the major sports. Ratliff has coached middle school basketball for a number of years, and was an assistant on the Varsity team for a number of years also. Kinner (to my knowledge) had coached very little, if any, varsity football prior to being named the coach of this team. I personally do not agree with his offensive scheme, but that's my opinion. The defense needs to learn how to tackle properly, and quit trying to arm tackle so much. I watched the Lawrence County game, and saw the Dawgs backfield run straight up the middle, and the only thing that touched them was arms. They've got to step up and hit somebody. Their defense is the worst in the state at the moment (statistically), and I blame arm tackling for that. People can say "well those schools were bigger than us, and had more players, and we weren't supposed to win anyway 'cause we're just a small A school.", but for years and years Paintsville used to beat those bigger schools, including the one across the creek. So that excuse doesn't work. Things need a serious change or football will be completely down the tube at PHS. Hopefully they can get things turned around.

mr.charlie hustle · 08-31-2010, 12:59 PM

Pupaw Wrote:As far as the coaching goes, for some reason Paintsville has hired people with little to no experience in coaching at the varsity level to coach the major sports. Ratliff has coached middle school basketball for a number of years, and was an assistant on the Varsity team for a number of years also. Kinner (to my knowledge) had coached very little, if any, varsity football prior to being named the coach of this team. I personally do not agree with his offensive scheme, but that's my opinion. The defense needs to learn how to tackle properly, and quit trying to arm tackle so much. I watched the Lawrence County game, and saw the Dawgs backfield run straight up the middle, and the only thing that touched them was arms. They've got to step up and hit somebody. Their defense is the worst in the state at the moment (statistically), and I blame arm tackling for that. People can say "well those schools were bigger than us, and had more players, and we weren't supposed to win anyway 'cause we're just a small A school.", but for years and years Paintsville used to beat those bigger schools, including the one across the creek. So that excuse doesn't work. Things need a serious change or football will be completely down the tube at PHS. Hopefully they can get things turned around.

:Thumbs::Clap:

mr.charlie hustle · 08-31-2010, 01:25 PM

Pulp Fiction Wrote:Looking at the remaining 8 games.... I'm gonna say the tigers end-up with a 3-7 record.
Vs. Magoffin - L
@ South Floyd - W
Vs. Allen Central - L
Vs. Pineville - W
Vs. Betsy Layne - L
@ Phelps - W
Vs. Pikeville - L
@ Fairview - L
2 district wins will put them in the playoffs.
And you can thank the genius who cancelled the Apple Bowl, that could be the ultimate downturn of paintsville football.

Please break that last sentence down for us. Just having trouble with the concept?????? Rationale???? Intent???? Or whatever????

**Pulp Fiction** · 08-31-2010, 02:48 PM

^^^^^^
Everybody knows that game pretty much funded the whole football season for Paintsville. I'm not saying that P-Ville is in financial trouble, or that has any bearing on the way they play. I remeber seeing the head line in The Paintsville Herald when it was announced that the Apple Bowl would be cancelled. Can't remember the exact words (it's been a few years now) but it was something to the effect of 'we aren't worried about playing for a barrel, we are here to win a state championship'. Why would Paintsville not want to play a team like JC to get them ready for post-season play? P-Ville could schedule another good team at the beginning of the season and also play JC, that would be more than enough to get them ready for the playoffs. No offense to the other 1A schools around here, but they aren't going to get anybody ready for a trip to Bowling Green.

But I'm glad JC doesn't play P-Ville anymore. When I was in high school, the goal was to beat Paintsville, it didn't matter if we went to the playoffs or not, as long as we won the apple bowl it was a good season. But since Matney arrived, if we don't win 10 games, win the district and make it atleast to the regional championship, it's not a successful season.

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 08-31-2010, 06:42 PM

I'll stay out of the apple bowl discussion. The biggest problem is a complete and total lack of fundamentals taught to the players. Talent wise Paintsville is just fine. Size wise they are just fine **** our O-Line is huge. So where does that leave you. If you have talented backs, receivers, and linemen that have the size and strength to block very well then it obviously isn't the players fault. IMO and I cant stress enough that it is just my opinion, a good line coach would do wonders for this team. If Caldwell got blocking he could be a great quarterback. He has the mechanics, the ability, and the receivers, but he can't do anything when the defense is in the backfield 1 second after the ball is snapped. Then that would open up the running game and we would be a good class-A team. But without blocking any team with a D-Line that isn't flat out awful is gonna kill us and our QB will not make it halfway through the season. Paintsville has always had good backs, for the last 5 years we have had a steady stable of very fast backs. Just no one to block for them. Then actually teach the boys proper tackling, and you would be surprised what they would do. Im not saying they would be able to beat LC, Or P-Burg, but they would be able to more than hold their own in Class-A ball. That IMO is the problem with this team.

mr.charlie hustle · 08-31-2010, 06:49 PM

Pulp Fiction Wrote:^^^^^^
Everybody knows that game pretty much funded the whole football season for Paintsville. I'm not saying that P-Ville is in financial trouble, or that has any bearing on the way they play. I remeber seeing the head line in The Paintsville Herald when it was announced that the Apple Bowl would be cancelled. Can't remember the exact words (it's been a few years now) but it was something to the effect of 'we aren't worried about playing for a barrel, we are here to win a state championship'. Why would Paintsville not want to play a team like JC to get them ready for post-season play? P-Ville could schedule another good team at the beginning of the season and also play JC, that would be more than enough to get them ready for the playoffs. No offense to the other 1A schools around here, but they aren't going to get anybody ready for a trip to Bowling Green.

But I'm glad JC doesn't play P-Ville anymore. When I was in high school, the goal was to beat Paintsville, it didn't matter if we went to the playoffs or not, as long as we won the apple bowl it was a good season. But since Matney arrived, if we don't win 10 games, win the district and make it atleast to the regional championship, it's not a successful season.

There appears to be a great disparity between what you say in the last sentence of post #18 and the first sentence of the last paragraph in this post.I'm trying to determine wheither you want to play Paintsville so that you can help them be ready for their district play and assist them economically, or simply have fun kicking them around by as much point difference as you can. It really shouldn't be much of a problem when you have a 5A school, an excellent well paid coach, large male student base and good fan support. Good luck Eagles on the rest of your season.May be your best team ever.:Thumbs:

**Redneck** · 09-01-2010, 09:49 AM

Superman20 Wrote:The numbers aren't there like they used to be, which hurts. I disagree with your points on coaching though. Paintsville has a very young coaching staff. I just hate that Jason hasn't got any help from alumni that has more coaching experience. The only coach I know of that has coached at all in the past is Dustin Hall (defensive coordinator). I figured Dustin would run the offense, but I was informed he's over the defense this season. Over time the staff will get better, and the players will get better.

Superman20 Wrote:One of the best young football coaches in the area is at JC, and he's a Paintsville alumni. . Justin Arms is doing a great job and will end up being a top notch head coach one of these days..considering he's learning from one of the best coaches in eastern ky. It wouldnt surprise me to see Justin being one of matneys top assistant coaches one of these days

Who's young? All the coaches are atleast 24 years old. What alumni with "coaching experience" is suppose to help, there aren't hardly any with coaching experience. Dut has what, 3-4 years in now, he started when he was younger than I am (he's 26 by the way). As for Justin, he's my best friend (literally, not just sayin that), yes he is a good coach and is gonna be a dandy head coach one of these days. This makes his 3rd year bein an assistant. So what makes him or Dustin any different than me and Adam Davis (paintsville's RB coach). They both started coaching young. I'm actually older right now than either one of them were when they started.

**Redneck** · 09-01-2010, 09:58 AM

PaintsvilleTigerfan Wrote:I'll stay out of the apple bowl discussion. The biggest problem is a complete and total lack of fundamentals taught to the players. Talent wise Paintsville is just fine. Size wise they are just fine **** our O-Line is huge. So where does that leave you. If you have talented backs, receivers, and linemen that have the size and strength to block very well then it obviously isn't the players fault. IMO and I cant stress enough that it is just my opinion, a good line coach would do wonders for this team. If Caldwell got blocking he could be a great quarterback. He has the mechanics, the ability, and the receivers, but he can't do anything when the defense is in the backfield 1 second after the ball is snapped. Then that would open up the running game and we would be a good class-A team. But without blocking any team with a D-Line that isn't flat out awful is gonna kill us and our QB will not make it halfway through the season. Paintsville has always had good backs, for the last 5 years we have had a steady stable of very fast backs. Just no one to block for them. Then actually teach the boys proper tackling, and you would be surprised what they would do. Im not saying they would be able to beat LC, Or P-Burg, but they would be able to more than hold their own in Class-A ball. That IMO is the problem with this team.

I can promise you that this team is taught fundamentals EVERYDAY, it's all we do. We pound it in their heads everyday. Why are we still having to do this during week 3 of the regular season? Because we get in the games and forget everything that's been taught. Gamefilm don't lie. As for the Oline coaches, they do a great job. My Oline coach in college taught the same stuff our coaches are teachin these boys. They do good in practice against eachother, but come game time its back to the ole "Flipper" that has been taught since the 1950's, which doesn't cut it these days. Don't you worry about this Oline, their gonna come around, alot sooner than you and alot of others think. After the practice they have been thru the last two days, I'd make dang sure I play this week like the two previous weeks. Same thing goes for tackling. They are taught how to tackle properly, and they are also taught persuit angles. Once again, come game time, it's like they forget everything they have been taught.

Wildcats11 · 09-01-2010, 10:08 AM

Tiger3 Wrote:What is the solution?

Get in the weightroom and work hard?? Good chance that wouldn't hurt. Umm, have the players recruit kids out of the hallways to come out and give it a shot?? That's 2 things I can think of to help them improve.

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 09-01-2010, 10:59 AM

Wildcats11 Wrote:Get in the weightroom and work hard?? Good chance that wouldn't hurt. Umm, have the players recruit kids out of the hallways to come out and give it a shot?? That's 2 things I can think of to help them improve.

I literally LOL'd at that there is no team in eastern kentucky that works as hard in the weight room as Paintsville. The coaching staff even had a personal trainer come in and work the boys to death. But the second part of your statement is dead on im afraid.

Wildcats11 · 09-01-2010, 11:03 AM

PaintsvilleTigerfan Wrote:I literally LOL'd at that there is no team in eastern kentucky that works as hard in the weight room as Paintsville. The coaching staff even had a personal trainer come in and work the boys to death. But the second part of your statement is dead on im afraid.

I don't anything about Paintsville, I was just giving some suggestions!! :Thumbs:

mr.charlie hustle · 09-01-2010, 02:13 PM

This forum should focus at week 10.5. If the coaches are doing a good job and we see an artistic work in progress with say a 8/2 record then we can assume that the entire staff is competent,and has the experience to lead into the play offs.If we see a 2/8 or worse what can we assume? Tell us in 8 weeks. There are a few who have suggested that what we are seeing is player fault with a big negative on their part. I don't think so. Eventhough there are perhaps no all staters,they should not lead the state in points allowed. Come on Tiger players.Play football.:Clap:

**PaintsvilleTigerfan** · 09-01-2010, 02:25 PM

Wildcats11 Wrote:I don't anything about Paintsville, I was just giving some suggestions!! :Thumbs:

It's all good buddy.

Superman20 · 09-01-2010, 04:49 PM

Redneck Wrote:Who's young? All the coaches are atleast 24 years old. What alumni with "coaching experience" is suppose to help, there aren't hardly any with coaching experience. Dut has what, 3-4 years in now, he started when he was younger than I am (he's 26 by the way). As for Justin, he's my best friend (literally, not just sayin that), yes he is a good coach and is gonna be a dandy head coach one of these days. This makes his 3rd year bein an assistant. So what makes him or Dustin any different than me and Adam Davis (paintsville's RB coach). They both started coaching young. I'm actually older right now than either one of them were when they started.

Out of all the players that have played football at paintsville in the past, do you really think there aren't any that have any coaching experience or don't know more about football then someone in there mid 20's? Justin Arms is being mentored by one of the best coaches in the area and that does make a difference.

Superman20 · 09-01-2010, 05:10 PM

Redneck Wrote:Who's young? All the coaches are atleast 24 years old. What alumni with "coaching experience" is suppose to help, there aren't hardly any with coaching experience. Dut has what, 3-4 years in now, he started when he was younger than I am (he's 26 by the way). As for Justin, he's my best friend (literally, not just sayin that), yes he is a good coach and is gonna be a dandy head coach one of these days. This makes his 3rd year bein an assistant. So what makes him or Dustin any different than me and Adam Davis (paintsville's RB coach). They both started coaching young. I'm actually older right now than either one of them were when they started.

Compared to any school in the area, Paintsvilles staff is the youngest as far as age and coaching experience. You have Craig Ratliff in the booth for every game. How many years of hs football did he play? Adam Davis is a great guy, but how many years of football did he play? Thats two guys that never played high school football. How many years have you coached football? your most experienced assistant is on his 3rd year, and isn't even 30 years old yet. Thats a very young staff and you know as well as i do that the more experience you all get, the better you can teach the game. Compare your staff to Johnson Central, pburg, lawrence co, pikeville, etc. Paintsvilles is the youngest. All i can tell ya is hang in there, and i hope you all get things turned around. The toughest part of your schedule is over with.