[nky]

It still isn't over though. Look at the proponents of the issue. They've shifted to new variations of the birther argument. This includes everyone from the Republican presidential front runner all the way down to the crazies who've made a career out of this nonsense.

There will always be a segment of the population who are true believers in these types of conspiracy. How many still believe 9/11 was an inside job? That Kennedy was killed by the CIA? That Roosevelt knew Pearl Harbor was going to happen? and on and on
This "issue" will be relegated to the fringe elements of our culture

[Bob Seger]

It still isn't over though. Look at the proponents of the issue. They've shifted to new variations of the birther argument. This includes everyone from the Republican presidential front runner all the way down to the crazies who've made a career out of this nonsense.

I notice you still give Obama no credit for instigating the media circus on the whole issue to begin with. At least you could do is give him his just due for not squelching it a long time ago.

[BillyB]

I notice you still give Obama no credit for instigating the media circus on the whole issue to begin with. At least you could do is give him his just due for not squelching it a long time ago.

I don't think he deserves any of the "credit." Remember, Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya, others did. He didn't instigate it. And, the claim was quite silly. To contend that it's his obligation to put an end to it is, in my opinion, silly. Anyway, he produced a valid birth certificate in 2008. The fact that some still didn't accept it doesn't, again, make it his responsibility to counter it.

If someone contends that Obama had an obligation to produce further proof to squelch a merit less conspiracy theory, isn't he or she demonstrating that he or she still gave at least some credence to the conspiracy theory?

Does he still need to prove somehow that he isn't a Muslim? Some people are still claiming he is.

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't think he deserves any of the "credit." Remember, Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya, others did. He didn't instigate it. And, the claim was quite silly. To contend that it's his obligation to put an end to it is, in my opinion, silly. Anyway, he produced a valid birth certificate in 2008. The fact that some still didn't accept it doesn't, again, make it his responsibility to counter it.

If someone contends that Obama had an obligation to produce further proof to squelch a merit less conspiracy theory, isn't he or she demonstrating that he or she still gave at least some credence to the conspiracy theory?

Does he still need to prove somehow that he isn't a Muslim? Some people are still claiming he is.

The President of the United States is required to be 35 years old and a natural born citizen. Asking Barack Obama to make his birth certificate available to the public was never an unreasonable request. Neither is asking for the release of his college transcripts. American voters should have been given access to that information during the 2008 campaign but Mr. Transparency and his fans believed that his qualifications were irrelevant for the position that he sought.

To his credit, even John Kerry eventually disclosed his college transcripts and SAT scores. Kerry did so despite the fact that they showed that George W. Bush had both a higher GPA and a higher composite SAT score than he did.

As for the Muslim question, Obama's actions speak for themselves. He uses religion as a means to a political end. Muslims have as good a claim to Obama as any other religion. What matters to me is not his religion but the fact that he is a socialist to the core.

[Bob Seger]

I don't think he deserves any of the "credit." Remember, Obama didn't say he was born in Kenya, others did. He didn't instigate it. And, the claim was quite silly. To contend that it's his obligation to put an end to it is, in my opinion, silly. Anyway, he produced a valid birth certificate in 2008. The fact that some still didn't accept it doesn't, again, make it his responsibility to counter it.

If someone contends that Obama had an obligation to produce further proof to squelch a merit less conspiracy theory, isn't he or she demonstrating that he or she still gave at least some credence to the conspiracy theory?

Does he still need to prove somehow that he isn't a Muslim? Some people are still claiming he is.

The "silly" part of this whole thing is your response. No, he did not show a birth certificate in 2008. He produced a certificate of live birth. You can get those in Kentucky too, and they are not always admissible as proof. Yes in my opinion he is required to show that he is eligible to serve as Predident of the United States in regards to proving that he is a natural born citizen upon demand. Of course the entire liberal agenda seems to be in disregard to what ever is stated in the Constitution anyways. Not only in this situation but in many areas where the Democratic party has ignored the constitutionality of either proposed or passed legislation during the Obama tenure. Even to play Little League baseball BillyBob you have to show proof of certain things certified by a Birth Certificate. I dont think that Little League even accepts a Certificate of Live Birth as acceptable proof, but in this case it's supposed to be good enough to claim that as being concrete evidence to lead the most powerful country in the world. There is "silly " for you.

I find it ironic that after Obama calls a news conference to produce his COLB, he states that it's time for the sideshows and the media circus to end. He goes on to say that we as a nation have more important things to worry about than the "birther" issue and it's time to get to work on the serious issues facing the country. So what does Mr. Obama do with the remainder of his days' schedule? He heads straight to Oprah Winfrey's show for his own little sideshow. If you happened to catch part of the interview, did you not notice his refusal to answer Winfrey's question of "why did you wait so long to produce documentation"? Of course we cant forget the remainder of the schedule either. For the remainder of his day he shifted straight into campaign mode and attended three separate fund raising events where the opening lines were of attempted humor of the "birther" issue. That really sounds like someone who was sick and tired of this controversy and like someone who is really "serious" about getting to work immediately on the critical issues that this country is facing. Wrong again Billy, he deserves all of the credit, not part, for creating the basis for the "sideshow". I kept waiting to hear that for whatever reason it may be, that this was all somehow George Bushes fault too...lol

Oh by the way, did I happen to mention "silly" ??:eyeroll:

[TheRealVille]

The "silly" part of this whole thing is your response. No, he did not show a birth certificate in 2008. He produced a certificate of live birth. You can get those in Kentucky too, and they are not always admissible as proof.

http://my.democrats.org/page/content/pre...source=HQB

In 2008, President Obama's campaign released his certification of live birth—the legal birth certificate provided to all Hawaiians as proof of birth in state.

But conspiracy theorists have continued to question the authenticity of President Obama's birth certificate in order to manipulate voters into thinking that the President isn't an American citizen.

It's time to put an end to this fake controversy—and refocus on debating how we grow our economy, create jobs, get our fiscal house in order, and educate our children for the challenges of the 21st century.

To move on from this distraction, President Obama directed his attorneys to request a waiver from the State of Hawaii to release the long-form version of his birth certificate. That waiver was granted.

The long form is not the version that people from HI can get. It took lawyers to get the long version.

[TheRealVille]

The long form is not the version that people from HI can get. It took lawyers to get the long version.

They are both called a COLB in HI. That's what their birth certificates are called in that state.

[TheRealVille]

The "silly" part of this whole thing is your response. No, he did not show a birth certificate in 2008. He produced a certificate of live birth.

They are both called a COLB in HI. That's what their birth certificates are called in that state. Also, notice the line at the bottom of the certificate.http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding [HRS 338-13b, 338-19]"

[Bob Seger]

Regardless, my second paragraph speaks volumes. Yet you have those ...ah humm (BillyBs)....... that still defend this guy to the MAXX on everything. It's obvious that it's all smoke and mirrors, and avoiding the true issues with Obama.

[BillyB]

Regardless, my second paragraph speaks volumes.

Debatable.

Yet you have those ...ah humm (BillyBs)....... that still defend this guy to the MAXX on everything. It's obvious that it's all smoke and mirrors, and avoiding the true issues with Obama.

I might make an argument to defend him "to the MAXX" on this site even when I disagree with him just because the constant "Obama is a socialist, muslim, lying, foreign-born, worst President in history, **** bent on destroying the US" stuff is so obnoxious. I've had my issues with every president -- including this one. (Anyone who is happy with everything any politician is doing isn't paying attention.) But, this birther garbage isn't one of them.

[Bob Seger]

Debatable.


I might make an argument to defend him "to the MAXX" on this site even when I disagree with him just because the constant "Obama is a socialist, muslim, lying, foreign-born, worst President in history, **** bent on destroying the US" stuff is so obnoxious. I've had my issues with every president -- including this one. (Anyone who is happy with everything any politician is doing isn't paying attention.) But, this birther garbage isn't one of them.

Debatable??? What possibly could be debatable. It all happened in the sequence I stated, did it not?

I wouldn't be so quick to discount any of those theories.

[BillyB]

Debatable??? What possibly could be debatable. It all happened in the sequence I stated, did it not?

I wouldn't be so quick to discount any of those theories.

I have no idea what the sequence was. (Not a big Oprah fan.) It's debatable whether it "speaks volumes" to or about anything other than hatred for a Democratic President.

BTW, what "theories" are expressed in your post?

[Bob Seger]

I have no idea what the sequence was. (Not a big Oprah fan.) It's debatable whether it "speaks volumes" to or about anything other than hatred for a Democratic President.

BTW, what "theories" are expressed in your post?

Hatred of a "democratic" president? If you wanted to state it as hatred of an inept president, I wouldn't argue with you.

Please dont try to spin the debatable part, as the evidence I posted is indeed creditable. It's not hard to catch the sequence of the days' agenda, if you really want to confirm what I said. What happened, happened.

Those would be the theories (perhaps accusations is a better word) that you posted.

[Hoot Gibson]

http://my.democrats.org/page/content/pre...source=HQB

The long form is not the version that people from HI can get. It took lawyers to get the long version.

The short form certificate of live birth does not establish that Barack Obama was a "natural born citizen" of the United States. It does not even include basic information such as the name or location of the hospital at which the subject was born. That is the distinction that raised questions in the minds of many Americans as to whether Obama was born in the US or was a naturalized citizen who was born abroad.

You will not find an accurate description of the issues that were raised by the "birthers" on the democrats.org website. For the past three years, Obama and the Democrats have claimed that he posted a copy of his "birth certificate" on his campaign site. At the very best, those statements were carefully worded half-truths that ignored the shortcomings of the abbreviated "certificate of live birth" that was made public.

[TheRealVille]

The short form certificate of live birth does not establish that Barack Obama was a "natural born citizen" of the United States. It does not even include basic information such as the name or location of the hospital at which the subject was born. That is the distinction that raised questions in the minds of many Americans as to whether Obama was born in the US or was a naturalized citizen who was born abroad.

You will not find an accurate description of the issues that were raised by the "birthers" on the democrats.org website. For the past three years, Obama and the Democrats have claimed that he posted a copy of his "birth certificate" on his campaign site. At the very best, those statements were carefully worded half-truths that ignored the shortcomings of the abbreviated "certificate of live birth" that was made public.

I'm not sure, I would have to dig it up, but I don't think mine shows the hospital I was born in. If memory serves me, mine looks pretty much identical to Obamas, with the exception of the wording on top, and the State. Read the bottom of his, that is proof he was born in HI, and it even shows the city and island he was born in, as the certificate states. The link I posted above is the short form. It has all the info you say it doesn't. The link below is the long form.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sectio...ficate.pdf

This wording below, on the bottom of the short form makes it valid.
"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding [HRS 338-13b, 338-19]"

The birthers have never had a real case.

[TheRealVille]

Here's the short form, the birthers have never had a viable case.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

[Hoot Gibson]

I'm not sure, I would have to dig it up, but I don't think mine shows the hospital I was born in. If memory serves me, mine looks pretty much identical to Obamas, with the exception of the wording on top, and the State. Read the bottom of his, that is proof he was born in HI, and it even shows the city and island he was born in, as the certificate states. The link I posted above is the short form. It has all the info you say it doesn't. The link below is the long form.

http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sectio...ficate.pdf

This wording below, on the bottom of the short form makes it valid.
"This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding [HRS 338-13b, 338-19]"

The birthers have never had a real case.

This is a link to the short form. Note the absence of any signatures and name of any hospital. My understanding is that in the past, people who had babies not born in Hawaiian hospitals were free to request certificates of live births.

Without a signed copy of the birth certificate on record, it certainly would have been possible, albeit improbable, that Obama was born in Kenya and his parents returned to Honolulu immediately after his birth and requested a certificate of live birth. The thing that made this even more improbable was the discovery that a birth announcement was published shortly after Obama's birth in a Honolulu newspaper.

I don't believe much of anything that passes Obama's lips but the 1961 published birth announcement convinced me that it was extremely unlikely that he was born in Kenya. Regardless, Obama's response to demands that he make the signed, long form birth certificate public was extremely strange, and to borrow his new favorite word, "silly."

[TheRealVille]

This is a link to the short form. Note the absence of any signatures and name of any hospital. My understanding is that in the past, people who had babies not born in Hawaiian hospitals were free to request certificates of live births.

Without a signed copy of the birth certificate on record, it certainly would have been possible, albeit improbable, that Obama was born in Kenya and his parents returned to Honolulu immediately after his birth and requested a certificate of live birth. The thing that made this even more improbable was the discovery that a birth announcement was published shortly after Obama's birth in a Honolulu newspaper.

I don't believe much of anything that passes Obama's lips but the 1961 published birth announcement convinced me that it was extremely unlikely that he was born in Kenya. Regardless, Obama's response to demands that he make the signed, long form birth certificate public was extremely strange, and to borrow his new favorite word, "silly."

Is that not the same short form I posted? It, as well as mine tells the city,county, and island that he was born on.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

Instead of trying to "spin", like all the birthers do, why not admit that his certificate of live birth is exactly the same as a birth certificate. HI calls their birth certificates , certificates of live birth.

[Hoot Gibson]

Is that not the same short form I posted? It, as well as mine tells the city,county, and island that he was born on.
http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

Instead of trying to "spin", like all the birthers do, why not admit that his certificate of live birth is exactly the same as a birth certificate. HI calls their birth certificates , certificates of live birth.

What do you see when you click on the link that you posted? I think that the Snopes site may have been hacked. The short form was unsigned and did not include the name of the hospital. So how is it exactly the same as the long form that was just released?

Never mind. Your link is working again. It was displaying a strange cartoon face when both times before. I hope that I did not download a virus. But my question stands. How is an unsigned certificate that does not list the doctor or hospital exactly the same as one that does?

[TheRealVille]

What do you see when you click on the link that you posted? I think that the Snopes site may have been hacked. The short form was unsigned and did not include the name of the hospital. So how is it exactly the same as the long form that was just released?

Never mind. Your link is working again. It was displaying a strange cartoon face when both times before. I hope that I did not download a virus. But my question stands. How is an unsigned certificate that does not list the doctor or hospital exactly the same as one that does?

I see the short form. My birth certificate does not list a hospital or a doctor.

[Hoot Gibson]

I see the short form. My birth certificate does not list a hospital or a doctor.

So, your birth certificate is unsigned? Are you sure that it is a copy of your original birth certificate or might it be a short form certificate of live birth like Obama uploaded to his campaign web site?

[tvtimeout]

Sorry been a little busy this week!

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

April 27, 2011

Contact: Wes Benedict, Executive Director
E-mail: [email]wes.benedict@lp.org[/email]
Phone: 202-333-0008 ext. 222

20 issues trump birth certificate circus

WASHINGTON - In the wake of the much-discussed release of President Obama's long-form birth certificate, Libertarian Party Chair Mark Hinkle had this to say:

"Instead of wasting so much ink on this birther story, the press should be giving a lot more attention to the many real disasters of the Obama administration. The Libertarian Party recently released a list of '20 Obama problems, 20 Libertarian solutions.'

"Of course, President Obama and the Democrats in Congress are only part of the problem equation. The Republicans deserve an equal share of the blame, for their unwillingness to cut military spending or entitlements, their addiction to government programs like farm subsidies, and their big-spending compromise bills of December 2010 and April 2011.

"I wonder if Obama and the Republicans might just be conspiring to keep this birther stuff alive, to distract everyone from all the real problems they're causing. The president might have been worried that the birther talk was about to die down.

"When you consider that we're involved in three foreign wars, our entitlement state is crumbling, we have record-level spending and deficits, unemployment is high, and inflation is growing, the president's birth certificate seems less significant somehow.

"We need to be more focused on the fact that massive debt is driving our government toward bankruptcy -- something Republican birther Donald Trump would know a lot about.

"Nearly two years ago, one of our junior staffers mocked this very issue:

Socialized healthcare is on the horizon. The DHS, NSA, TSA police state is expanding, the Drug War is still being pursued by an arrogant, ignorant government and Obama is expanding the war in Afghanistan! Frankly we have got bigger problems to pursue than blogging endlessly about where the President was born.
"Hopefully Americans will worry less about long-form birth certificates, and more about thousand-page spending bills."

For more information, or to arrange an interview, call LP Executive Director Wes Benedict at 202-333-0008 ext. 222.

The LP is America's third-largest political party, founded in 1971. The Libertarian Party stands for free markets, civil liberties, and peace. You can find more information on the Libertarian Party at our website.


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[TheRealVille]

So, your birth certificate is unsigned? Are you sure that it is a copy of your original birth certificate or might it be a short form certificate of live birth like Obama uploaded to his campaign web site?

:igiveup::closed:

[Truth]

Read the reports (Politico and Drudge) concerning the fiasco concerning Obama Sr. at Harvard. This Obama Family is a real piece of work. The article raises more questions than it answers concerning the "genesis and journey" of the group. But, surely no one really expected otherwise.

[Hoot Gibson]

Read the reports (Politico and Drudge) concerning the fiasco concerning Obama Sr. at Harvard. This Obama Family is a real piece of work. The article raises more questions than it answers concerning the "genesis and journey" of the group. But, surely no one really expected otherwise.

You're right. No surprises in the Politico story. If and when Barack Obama's own college records become public I don't think most of us will be surprised at what we learn then either. Such a disclosure might, however, end the delusion among many on the left wing fringe that Obama is among the smartest human beings ever to grace us with his presence on planet Earth.

I am looking forward to the day when the mainstream media resumes its watchdog role and demands answers from this nation's president. Of course, that will only happen when a Republican returns to the White House.

Until that day, we will only be treated to occasional reminders of how dishonest and hypocritical this administration has been. The link below is one such reminder from an extremely unlikely source - the San Francisco Chronicle.

Update: Chronicle responds after Obama Administration punishes reporter for using multimedia, then claims they didn't

I never thought I would see the San Francisco Chronicle call the Obama administration liars.