[Wildcatk23]

Interesting topic that arose in another thread and i want every ones honest opinion.

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[TheGuyYouLoveToHate]

I don't see any reason why they shouldn't be.

[LWC]

As a Pastor, I try to answer all spiritual questions that I can for the spiritual growth of the people I serve or those who have questions.

With that said, there are many hills that us in ministry have to climb, many struggles we agree to bear for the forwarding of the faith and many sacrifices and things we forgo to serve the will of God. That is why there are many smaller issues that divide us into separate denominations, churches, 'movements', etc... We tend to be so sure and so steadfast that we are unwilling to compromise. I believe that stubbornness has caused more division in the Christian faith than there needs to be.

I say all of that to say this: I used to be SOOOOO against this idea and concept. I wasn't the kind to protest or throw stones, but I would not have been comfortable with a woman as my pastor. Today, that doesn't bother me as much. Maybe it is because at this stage in my life I will always be the Senior Pastor of the church/churches that I serve, which means that a woman will never be "over me" I feel like this is one of those issues that divides churches too much.

I could understand a person or a church being upset about a woman pastor in the appointment-system of pastor search. (This is where a pastor is sent to the church, the church does not bring in their own. This is the system I am in.) I could understand because the church has no ultimate say in the process and their only choice is to accept it or go somewhere else. However, at least, in the current system I am in, women pastors are appointed. They are licensed, ordained and sent to be pastors of churches all across the world. I have known churches to grow with women as their pastor and I have known churches to crumble with a woman as their pastor. That is the same with men.

As a licensed pastor (soon to be ordained) in the United Methodist Church, I am appointed with the knowledge that I am to defend the beliefs and practices of the United Methodist Church. What I believe or not, as far as church practices go, is not as relevant. In all matters spiritual like faith, hope, Gospel, salvation, etc... I will not waiver from what I personally believe. But in church matters like women pastors, whether or not to watch certain movies, whether baptism should be in 3 forms or 1, who to vote for, what the churches political stance should be on capitol punishment, should we play instruments, etc... I leave those things to debate, they are not what I call, "untouchable matters."

I know I am being a little cryptic, but what it boils down to is, as a UMC pastor, I have to accept women as pastors, but I will never reveal my stance on that issue or other issues like politics, instruments, etc... because they get people's focus off of the big issues like the poverty of the world, the sin of mankind and the love that Jesus provides.

[Wildcatk23]

Didn't Paul say something about Women should be Silent.

[OffTheHook]

NO!

[Deathstar 80]

Didn't Paul say something about Women should be Silent.

I think he did in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. Here's the bible verse:

26) How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27) If anyone speaks in a tongue, let there be two or at the most three, each in turn, and let one interpret. 28) But if there is no interpreter, let him keep silent in church, and let him speak to himself and to God. 29) Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
30) But if anything is revealed to another who sits by, let the first keep silent. 31) For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged. 32) And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33) For God is not the author of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
34) Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak; but they are to be submissive, as the law also says. 35) And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
36) Or did the word of God come originally from you? Or was it you only that it reached? 37) If anyone thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things which I write to you are the commandments of the Lord. 38) But if anyone is ignorant, let him be ignorant. 39) Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues. 40) Let all things be done decently and in order.

Here's the link that I got that from: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2014:26-40&version=NKJV

When I was talking with someone a few months ago, they pointed out something from a website. Here's the quote from the website:

1 Corinthians 14:34-35: This is a curious passage. It appears to prohibit all talking by women during services. But it contradicts verse 11:5, in which St. Paul states that women can actively pray and prophesy during services. It is obvious to some theologians that verses 14:33b to 36 are a later addition, added by an unknown counterfeiter* with little talent at forgery.* Bible scholar, Hans Conzelmann, comments on these three and a half verses: "Moreover, there are peculiarities of linguistic usage, and of thought. [within them]." 2 If they are removed, then Verse 33a merges well with Verse 37 in a seamless transition. Since they were a later forgery*, they do not fulfill the basic requirement to be considered inerrant: they were not in the original manuscript written by Paul. This is a very important passage, because much many denominations stand against female ordination is based on these verses.

Here's the link that I got this from: http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_bibl.htm

I just read something that I didn't see earlier. You might've noticed the asterisk beside the word "forgery" and "counterfeiter". If you scroll down, the website goes on to say that it put those asterisks beside those words for this reason:

* Note re: forged and counterfeit writings:

We are using these terms with reference to today's value systems. For example, if someone wrote in 1999 an essay in the form of an encyclical by Pope John XXIII, and attempted to pass it off as an unknown work of the Pope, then we would consider it a forgery or counterfeit. If someone write today a speech in the style of George Washington and tried to publish it as if it were written by the first President, we would also consider it a forgery.

But things were a little different in the 1st and 2nd century CE. It was quite an accepted practice at that time for followers of a great philosopher or religious thinker to write material which emulated their leader. They passed it off as if that leader wrote it. This was not considered unethical at the time. We use the term forger and counterfeiter in this essay to emphasize that the passages were written by person or persons unknown. It does not necessarily indicate that the passages are any less valid than other texts in the Bible. The term means simply that the passages were added to the writings of the original author(s) by an unknown person.

Just to let everyone know, I'm not sure how credible the above website is. Before believing these quotes, please look at the website yourself along with any other reliable sources.

[LWC]

Many places in the Bible mention women as prophetesses or women prophets but Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). My source is Young's Concordance on page 780.

Basically, any place that mentions a woman prophet really means a woman preacher.

[johnnyt]

what is your stance on 1 timothy 3:1-7

NASB

It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of [a]overseer, it is a fine work he desires to do. 2 [b]An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not addicted to wine [c]or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 4 He must be one who manages his own household well, keeping his children under control with all dignity 5 (but if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God?), 6 and not a new convert, so that he will not become conceited and fall into the condemnation [d]incurred by the devil. 7 And he must have a good reputation with those outside the church, so that he will not fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

[Aslan]

No, the main authority in the church should be a male. Women should have leadership roles, but not to the extent of being a pastor. I'm not sexiest, but Paul made it pretty clear.

[RunItUpTheGut]

I agree with Aslan.
However, being completely silent and not asking is a little much with the whole submissive thing.
Times have changed and back then the men worked and the women stayed home while in todays world in many marriages the woman is the primary money maker so its hard to keep those tactics in use today.

[Bob Seger]

As a Pastor, I try to answer all spiritual questions that I can for the spiritual growth of the people I serve or those who have questions.

With that said, there are many hills that us in ministry have to climb, many struggles we agree to bear for the forwarding of the faith and many sacrifices and things we forgo to serve the will of God. That is why there are many smaller issues that divide us into separate denominations, churches, 'movements', etc... We tend to be so sure and so steadfast that we are unwilling to compromise. I believe that stubbornness has caused more division in the Christian faith than there needs to be.

I say all of that to say this: I used to be SOOOOO against this idea and concept. I wasn't the kind to protest or throw stones, but I would not have been comfortable with a woman as my pastor. Today, that doesn't bother me as much. Maybe it is because at this stage in my life I will always be the Senior Pastor of the church/churches that I serve, which means that a woman will never be "over me" I feel like this is one of those issues that divides churches too much.

I could understand a person or a church being upset about a woman pastor in the appointment-system of pastor search. (This is where a pastor is sent to the church, the church does not bring in their own. This is the system I am in.) I could understand because the church has no ultimate say in the process and their only choice is to accept it or go somewhere else. However, at least, in the current system I am in, women pastors are appointed. They are licensed, ordained and sent to be pastors of churches all across the world. I have known churches to grow with women as their pastor and I have known churches to crumble with a woman as their pastor. That is the same with men.

As a licensed pastor (soon to be ordained) in the United Methodist Church, I am appointed with the knowledge that I am to defend the beliefs and practices of the United Methodist Church. What I believe or not, as far as church practices go, is not as relevant. In all matters spiritual like faith, hope, Gospel, salvation, etc... I will not waiver from what I personally believe. But in church matters like women pastors, whether or not to watch certain movies, whether baptism should be in 3 forms or 1, who to vote for, what the churches political stance should be on capitol punishment, should we play instruments, etc... I leave those things to debate, they are not what I call, "untouchable matters."

I know I am being a little cryptic, but what it boils down to is, as a UMC pastor, I have to accept women as pastors, but I will never reveal my stance on that issue or other issues like politics, instruments, etc... because they get people's focus off of the big issues like the poverty of the world, the sin of mankind and the love that Jesus provides.

LWC, be careful not to offer up a "strange fire". If you feel condemed in accepting the "practice of man" just for the sole purpose of maintaining your position or for just not wanting to upset some in the congregation, IMO you might want to consider a position with a congregation that may be more undenominational. Always remember the Methodist Church, along with the Baptist Church, the Presbyterian Church, etc., etc., etc. are all just denominations or sects set up by man. In other words dont be a hypocrit bowing to the desires of mankind and dilute or alter the words and wishes of God. Take a hard line stand in whatever the word of God says. There are no consequences when one is obedient. There are consequences however to disobedience. I read into the word of God, that he abhors lukewarmness. If you are going to be a pastor, you better learn real quick to dot the ''I's" and cross the "T's when performing your duties as a pastor. Only then will you ever be respected by your congrgation. Any tendency to waiver will soon become apparent, and thus IMO ultimately lead to disrespect. Dont ever be wishy washy in the pulpit. You're not trying to be a leader of a country club, you know? It is your job to lead others to heaven, not to be anybodies buddy.Dont be afraid to create a wave or two for the sake of righteousness. Oh by the way, did I mention anything about offering up a "strange fire"?


From what I read, a woman should not hold a position as a pastor.

[LWC]

LWC, be careful not to offer up a "strange fire". If you feel condemed in accepting the "practice of man" just for the sole purpose of maintaining your position or for just not wanting to upset some in the congregation, IMO you might want to consider a position with a congregation that may be more undenominational. Always remember the Methodist Church, along with the Baptist Church, the Presbyterian Church, etc., etc., etc. are all just denominations or sects set up by man. In other words dont be a hypocrit bowing to the desires of mankind and dilute or alter the words and wishes of God. Take a hard line stand in whatever the word of God says. There are no consequences when one is obedient. There are consequences however to disobedience. I read into the word of God, that he abhors lukewarmness. If you are going to be a pastor, you better learn real quick to dot the ''I's" and cross the "T's when performing your duties as a pastor. Only then will you ever be respected by your congrgation. Any tendency to waiver will soon become apparent, and thus IMO ultimately lead to disrespect. Dont ever be wishy washy in the pulpit. You're not trying to be a leader of a country club, you know? It is your job to lead others to heaven, not to be anybodies buddy.Dont be afraid to create a wave or two for the sake of righteousness. Oh by the way, did I mention anything about offering up a "strange fire"?


From what I read, a woman should not hold a position as a pastor.

That come off very wrong. I was not saying that I am thinking this because of obligation, I promise. Every pastor that I have ever met disagrees with something from their denomination. They will strongly defend that thing if asked about it, but they are willing to let certain things be more important than others. I have known Baptists that wouldn't care if women were pastors, Methodists that are uncomfortable with the Baptism of babies, etc....

However, on the basics of faith they stand firm.

I know that I am probably the most nondenominational person, I have ever met BUT I also know that God has called me to the current churches I serve. If the day ever comes that God calls me to a church that is not UMC, that is where I will go. I have held ministry positions in 3 different denominations, so as I have stated the things that are not essential to faith are not that big of a fight for me, and they shouldn't be for others. One thing the Church has too much of is division. We, as the Church (notice the capitalization, so I mean church worldwide) have spent too much time pointing out our differences, as opposed to working together. If Christian denominations worked as hard together in the US telling others about Christ, as they do in overseas missions, Satan wouldn't stand a chance here.

What I am saying is that matters of true importance I stand firm in: Jesus is the only way, the belief in the Trinity, that God came to save the world not condemn it, The Great Commission, that we are called to live like Christ, etc....

The non-essentials as I listed in my earlier post are not as important to me. I am not being a hypocrite or wishy-washy (even though I have great respect for you pointing that out, we are called to watch out for our neighbor and you did just that), I am just flat out saying that things like that are not as important to me as others, so I don't even take time to worry much about them.

[Westside]

Didn't Paul say something about Women should be Silent.

To bad this isn't true in life in general. :biggrin:

[Bob Seger]

That come off very wrong. I was not saying that I am thinking this because of obligation, I promise. Every pastor that I have ever met disagrees with something from their denomination. They will strongly defend that thing if asked about it, but they are willing to let certain things be more important than others. I have known Baptists that wouldn't care if women were pastors, Methodists that are uncomfortable with the Baptism of babies, etc....

However, on the basics of faith they stand firm.

I know that I am probably the most nondenominational person, I have ever met BUT I also know that God has called me to the current churches I serve. If the day ever comes that God calls me to a church that is not UMC, that is where I will go. I have held ministry positions in 3 different denominations, so as I have stated the things that are not essential to faith are not that big of a fight for me, and they shouldn't be for others. One thing the Church has too much of is division. We, as the Church (notice the capitalization, so I mean church worldwide) have spent too much time pointing out our differences, as opposed to working together. If Christian denominations worked as hard together in the US telling others about Christ, as they do in overseas missions, Satan wouldn't stand a chance here.

What I am saying is that matters of true importance I stand firm in: Jesus is the only way, the belief in the Trinity, that God came to save the world not condemn it, The Great Commission, that we are called to live like Christ, etc....

The non-essentials as I listed in my earlier post are not as important to me. I am not being a hypocrite or wishy-washy (even though I have great respect for you pointing that out, we are called to watch out for our neighbor and you did just that), I am just flat out saying that things like that are not as important to me as others, so I don't even take time to worry much about them.

Best wishes to you LWC. Your's is an awesome responsibility.

[zaga_fan]

No....
I know time's have changed, but the Word of God hasn't.

I was under a woman Pastor in my early years and looking back I can see exactly why Paul touched on this.
I don't want to get into it for fear of being called sexist lol

[StrayBullet]

NO!

[Wildcatk23]

Well, Well, Some straight answers here.

[Wildcatk23]

What About Galatians 3:28?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Gal. 3:28).

Yet Our Christian Nation, Had Slaves and Belittle Women. Its Confusing.

"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. 11 Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve," (1 Tim. 2:9-13).

[OffTheHook]

What About Galatians 3:28?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Gal. 3:28).

Yet Our Christian Nation, Had Slaves and Belittle Women. Its Confusing.

"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. 11 Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve," (1 Tim. 2:9-13).

YES, we are all one in Jesus. BUT, on earth we are of flesh and different.

[OrangenowBlue]

Sometimes you wonder about the interpretations over the years by different kings and rulers into different languages.

[LWC]

Many places in the Bible mention women as prophetesses or women prophets but Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). My source is Young's Concordance on page 780.

Basically, any place that mentions a woman prophet really means a woman preacher.

Did anyone see this post? Someone had a post about translations, those words are the original Greek and Hebrew, so in the original anytime you see prophetess what you really see is preacher. Maybe they were more like an evangelist, who was not a "shepherd of a flock" but still preached the Word of God.

I can find a list but one off the top of my head was in Romans named Phoebe.

[cuppett777]

Many places in the Bible mention women as prophetesses or women prophets but Both the Hebrew (Nebrah), and Greek (Proph) used for prophetess means (female preacher). My source is Young's Concordance on page 780.

Basically, any place that mentions a woman prophet really means a woman preacher.

thats NOT true there a diffrence between the 2..

[cuppett777]

no....
I know time's have changed, but the word of god hasn't.

I was under a woman pastor in my early years and looking back i can see exactly why paul touched on this.
I don't want to get into it for fear of being called sexist lol

amen

[cuppett777]

....this has nothing to do with the topic,but good video...

[cuppett777]

What About Galatians 3:28?

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus," (Gal. 3:28).

Yet Our Christian Nation, Had Slaves and Belittle Women. Its Confusing.

"Likewise, I want women to adorn themselves with proper clothing, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly garments; 10 but rather by means of good works, as befits women making a claim to godliness. 11 Let a woman quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. 12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. 13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve," (1 Tim. 2:9-13).

1st part of that means, no matter who you are CHRIST will expect you if you repent and live for HIM, no matter what color, male or female,2nd part modest clothing is long flowing garment for women(dress or skirt)3RD a woman can teach sunday just not in the pulpit,i go back to 1st timothy chap 3;1-7

[LWC]

thats NOT true there a diffrence between the 2..

Any evidence behind that? I gave you original text words and meanings AND research, you just said, 'Not true'

Not much of a debate there.

[OrangenowBlue]

Where does it say that modestly and discreetly is a dress or a skirt.

[Wildcatk23]

I know it says women should be silent and have no authority over men correct?

But that doesn't really men she can spread the word of god does it?

[cuppett777]

Any evidence behind that? I gave you original text words and meanings AND research, you just said, 'Not true'

Not much of a debate there.

EPHESIANS 4:11
» 11 † And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;




apostles: GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 652
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
652 » apostolos {ap-os'-tol-os} ajpovstoloß from 649; TDNT -- 1:398,67; n m


AV -- apostle (78)
-- messenger (2)
-- he that is sent (1) [81]
1) a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders
2) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
3) in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers; as Barnabas (Acts 14:14), Timothy and Silvanus, also cp Rom. 16:7


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 4396
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
4396 » prophetes {prof-ay'-tace} profhvthß from a compound of 4253 and 5346; TDNT -- 6:781,952; n m


AV -- prophet (149)
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation.


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 2099
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
2099 » euaggelistes {yoo-ang-ghel-is-tace'} eujaggelisthvß from 2097; TDNT -- 2:707,267; n m


AV -- evangelist (3)
1) a bringer of good tidings, an evangelist. This name is given in the NT to those heralds of salvation through Christ who are not apostles.


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 4166
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
4166 » poimen {poy-mane'} poimhvn of uncertain affinity; TDNT -- 6:485,901; n m


AV -- shepherd (15)
-- Shepherd (2)
-- pastor (1) [18]
1) a herdsman, esp. a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 1320
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
1320 » didaskalos {did-as'-kal-os} didavskaloß from 1321; TDNT -- 2:135,161; n m


AV -- Master (Jesus) (40)
-- teacher (10)
-- master (7)
-- doctor (1) [58]
1) one who is fitted to teach, or thinks himself so
2) the teachers of the Jewish religion
3) of those who by their great power as teachers draw crowds around them i.e. John the Baptist, Jesus
4) by preeminence used of Jesus by himself, as one who showed men the way of salvation
5) of the apostles, and of Paul
6) of those who in the religious assemblies of the Christians, undertook the work of teaching, with the special assistance of the Holy Spirit
and

AV -- prophetess (2)
1) a prophetess, a woman to whom future events or things hidden from others are at times revealed, either by inspiration or by dreams and visions

theres your meanings....

[cuppett777]

EPHESIANS 4:11
» 11 † And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;




apostles: GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 652
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
652 » apostolos {ap-os'-tol-os} ajpovstoloß from 649; TDNT -- 1:398,67; n m


AV -- apostle (78)
-- messenger (2)
-- he that is sent (1) [81]
1) a delegate, messenger, one sent forth with orders
2) specifically applied to the twelve apostles of Christ
3) in a broader sense applied to other eminent Christian teachers; as Barnabas (Acts 14:14), Timothy and Silvanus, also cp Rom. 16:7


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 4396
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
4396 » prophetes {prof-ay'-tace} profhvthß from a compound of 4253 and 5346; TDNT -- 6:781,952; n m


AV -- prophet (149)
1) in Greek writings, an interpreter of oracles or of other hidden things
2) one who, moved by the Spirit of God and hence his organ or spokesman, solemnly declares to men what he has received by inspiration, especially concerning future events, and in particular such as relate to the cause and kingdom of God and to human salvation.


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 2099
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
2099 » euaggelistes {yoo-ang-ghel-is-tace'} eujaggelisthvß from 2097; TDNT -- 2:707,267; n m


AV -- evangelist (3)
1) a bringer of good tidings, an evangelist. This name is given in the NT to those heralds of salvation through Christ who are not apostles.


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 4166
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
4166 » poimen {poy-mane'} poimhvn of uncertain affinity; TDNT -- 6:485,901; n m


AV -- shepherd (15)
-- Shepherd (2)
-- pastor (1) [18]
1) a herdsman, esp. a shepherd
1a) in the parable, he to whose care and control others have committed themselves, and whose precepts they follow


GREEK LEXICON -- STRONG'S NUMBER 1320
Click here to view all verses that use this Greek word.
1320 » didaskalos {did-as'-kal-os} didavskaloß from 1321; TDNT -- 2:135,161; n m


AV -- Master (Jesus) (40)
-- teacher (10)
-- master (7)
-- doctor (1) [58]
1) one who is fitted to teach, or thinks himself so
2) the teachers of the Jewish religion
3) of those who by their great power as teachers draw crowds around them i.e. John the Baptist, Jesus
4) by preeminence used of Jesus by himself, as one who showed men the way of salvation
5) of the apostles, and of Paul
6) of those who in the religious assemblies of the Christians, undertook the work of teaching, with the special assistance of the Holy Spirit
and

AV -- prophetess (2)
1) a prophetess, a woman to whom future events or things hidden from others are at times revealed, either by inspiration or by dreams and visions

theres your meanings....

and if ANY DONT LINE UP WITH BIBLE THEY ARE FALSE.......