[eaglefan98]

If I had an athlete like Jude I would want him in the game, when the game is close and on the line. However, I wouldn't have him in the game when the game is out of reach. He is one of the best players in the state, a Mr. Football candidate, AND the backbone of the JC football team. Why risk getting him hurt causing him to miss a few games, possibly the season. He should have never touched the field in the second half against Heath. The game was over, Heath had no chance of coming back. I pull for JC every week, I just dont wanna see their season go down the drain because of some record.

I have to agree with you here, We sure don't need him getting hurt this early in the season.

[horst muhlmann]

Man stuff like this is what really bothers me about today’s generation. We are not talking about elementary or middle school sports. This is high school sports, if you can beat a team 100 you beat them a 100. About 90 percent of what is wrong with our kids today is that we have taught them that everyone should get a trophy, and if someone beats you then they shouldn't have beaten you as bad as they did. As far as I’m concerned, if Heath knew the outcome of this game before they came, then why agree to play in the first place.
Also, if someone can come to JC and beat them 100 then in no way am I going to be upset or mad about it. That’s what they are supposed to do. As far as I’m concerned you win every game by as much as you can. This everyone deserves a trophy stuff is bull crap; we are creating a generation that is weak.

It is called sportsmanship my friend. No team and more importantly, no coach should beat a team 100-0. And blah blah blah I've heard the argument "you should stop them then...." Still no excuse to annihilate any opponent that way. Sportsmanship has ZERO to do with the everyone gets a trophy mentality.

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

Actually it has a lot to do with the everyone gets a trophy mentality. Weaker teams should not agree to play teams that are significantly stronger then they are. If they do then whose fault is the resulting score? Everyone knows for the most part where their teams stand... It in my opinion is the coach and the admins responsibility to put together a schedule that is not only fair to your kids but also the parents and community that support these kids. I don't ever think in high school sports that there should be an instance that you try not to score. If a school is scheduling a game for the money then the kids aren't being done right to begin with. This is why I think you play as hard as possible all the time and you beat everyone as badly as possible. As far as sportsman ship goes. If you carry the ball for a score hand the ball back to the official and then do it again. The score doesn't show sportsman ship, the players attitudes, and coach's play calling reflects sportsmanship. If you are running the belly and score a 100 then so be it... If you are running deep fly patterns and reverses then that is something completely different. Either way, if the coach schedules responsibly this isn't an issue any way. I'm a younger parent with kids that participate in sports and I make sure they know if they are beat and beat badly they have no one to blame but them selves. Thats the problem there is too much blame being put on everyone else. Kids need to man up or women up in every sport and do the work to not allow beatings to occur. I don't believe in punishing groups by telling them they can't score when they have put in the time and work to bust people in the mouth. Its my opinion that you reward hard work.

[whackem'n'stackem']

Actually it has a lot to do with the everyone gets a trophy mentality. Weaker teams should not agree to play teams that are significantly stronger then they are. If they do then whose fault is the resulting score? Everyone knows for the most part where their teams stand... It in my opinion is the coach and the admins responsibility to put together a schedule that is not only fair to your kids but also the parents and community that support these kids. I don't ever think in high school sports that there should be an instance that you try not to score. If a school is scheduling a game for the money then the kids aren't being done right to begin with. This is why I think you play as hard as possible all the time and you beat everyone as badly as possible. As far as sportsman ship goes. If you carry the ball for a score hand the ball back to the official and then do it again. The score doesn't show sportsman ship, the players attitudes, and coach's play calling reflects sportsmanship. If you are running the belly and score a 100 then so be it... If you are running deep fly patterns and reverses then that is something completely different. Either way, if the coach schedules responsibly this isn't an issue any way. I'm a younger parent with kids that participate in sports and I make sure they know if they are beat and beat badly they have no one to blame but them selves. Thats the problem there is too much blame being put on everyone else. Kids need to man up or women up in every sport and do the work to not allow beatings to occur. I don't believe in punishing groups by telling them they can't score when they have put in the time and work to bust people in the mouth. Its my opinion that you reward hard work.

And folks wonder why their is a dark cloud that surrounds this program...:eyeroll:

[Brandon40403]

If there was a different coach coaching this program would you still think this was "running up the score"?

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

Explain to me how this is not right other then the fact that some people get their feelings hurt. Personally I don't care who the coach is or what the sport is at the high school level this is just how I believe. How this would put a dark cloud over anything is beyond me, the kids have to put the work in to be successful and in order for JC or any other school to stay successful they will have to continue to put the work in.

[Brandon40403]

At some point its one teams job to stop the other one, I know its a lesser team but they put on the pads just like jc if heath was really worried about "feelings" why would they have drove six hours for a drubbing they came in with the mentality to win this game as each team does every week.....now they had no chance we all know that but do you think the coach told them that.....no...........jude had 1 carry in the second half thats it if they were running up the score they could have easily scored 80 points

[HeathPirate86]

Heath had its reasons to play. They came looking to win and didn't give up. Nobody from Heath is complaining about the score or what happened in the game. Everbody at Johnson was very respective to Heath.
Once upon a time Heath was a small school power in West Ky. The new coach is working to get it back.

[White Feather]

A lot of people on here seem to blame Jim Matney for having a good football team the last 6 or 7 seasons. Yea Jim likes winning and scoring a lot of points doing it. Most of you may be too young to remember when every team JC scheduled beat them as bad as they could. In 1973 Pikeville was up 75-0 mid way through the 3rd period, and took no mercy on JC. Central's football program, until Jim was hired, was just a team to play to get a win for your team. I think it's funny now that they're winning and winning big, a lot of people have a problem with it. You're really not old enough to know anything about the program or you're too near sighted to actually see that this program has turned the corner and become a winner. Will they ever win a state championship? Who knows. But it's going to be a fun ride now to see if it may happen sometime soon. As far as running up the score or stat padding that is entirely up to the coach. Who cares as long as the players don't sustain career ending injuries. As far as JJ being a D-1 player, the jury is still out on this. No D-1 schools have offered yet. Season is still young.

[BlackcatAlum]

The sad thing is, every Johnson Central thread that involves JJ Jude is going to be just like this. They'll be about a page talking about the game and the next 5 will be about how Matney is unsportsmanlike and Jude has his stats padded.

The only person who can keep Jude from breaking the all-time state rushing record is Matney. If JJ gets 300 rushing yards on 10 or less carries, then I don't see a problem with that. That just speaks volumes about Jude. I don't think he gets enough credit for how talented he really is.

[Bob Seger]

And folks wonder why their is a dark cloud that surrounds this program...:eyeroll:

It has to be some sort of mental issue that you have, for it just seems to absolutely worry you to death. It's obviously an obsession with you. I cant figure out why you would give a crap either way. But then again, I guess there are nuts walking around everywhere that just cant seem to get any attention from their own. ...Ooops I forgot, you just one of those guys out there that has no place to really call home.. Sad.

[Bob Seger]

Explain to me how this is not right other then the fact that some people get their feelings hurt. Personally I don't care who the coach is or what the sport is at the high school level this is just how I believe. How this would put a dark cloud over anything is beyond me, the kids have to put the work in to be successful and in order for JC or any other school to stay successful they will have to continue to put the work in.

Hey Alum, I wouldn't even bother trying bo explain myself. You're wasting your time with this bona fide nut case to begin with.

[whackem'n'stackem']

Hey Alum, I wouldn't even bother trying bo explain myself. You're wasting your time with this bona fide nut case to begin with.

There's 4 pages of folks voicing their opinions, much along the same lines as I, and you choose to single me out as a nut case. Sounds like you have it out for the Stack.:dontthink

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Actually it has a lot to do with the everyone gets a trophy mentality. Weaker teams should not agree to play teams that are significantly stronger then they are. If they do then whose fault is the resulting score? Everyone knows for the most part where their teams stand... It in my opinion is the coach and the admins responsibility to put together a schedule that is not only fair to your kids but also the parents and community that support these kids. I don't ever think in high school sports that there should be an instance that you try not to score. If a school is scheduling a game for the money then the kids aren't being done right to begin with. This is why I think you play as hard as possible all the time and you beat everyone as badly as possible. As far as sportsman ship goes. If you carry the ball for a score hand the ball back to the official and then do it again. The score doesn't show sportsman ship, the players attitudes, and coach's play calling reflects sportsmanship. If you are running the belly and score a 100 then so be it... If you are running deep fly patterns and reverses then that is something completely different. Either way, if the coach schedules responsibly this isn't an issue any way. I'm a younger parent with kids that participate in sports and I make sure they know if they are beat and beat badly they have no one to blame but them selves. Thats the problem there is too much blame being put on everyone else. Kids need to man up or women up in every sport and do the work to not allow beatings to occur. I don't believe in punishing groups by telling them they can't score when they have put in the time and work to bust people in the mouth. Its my opinion that you reward hard work.

:Clap::Thumbs: Great post.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

The sad thing is, every Johnson Central thread that involves JJ Jude is going to be just like this. They'll be about a page talking about the game and the next 5 will be about how Matney is unsportsmanlike and Jude has his stats padded.

The only person who can keep Jude from breaking the all-time state rushing record is Matney. If JJ gets 300 rushing yards on 10 or less carries, then I don't see a problem with that. That just speaks volumes about Jude. I don't think he gets enough credit for how talented he really is.

I agree Blackcat Alum. He is also a really respectful young man. I have met & spoke with him a few times. Very humble also. I dont think there is a team any where that wouldnt love to have him.
As hard as this kid works during the season & in off season how would it be fair to him to set out 1/2 of most games simply because of his talent to change a game.

[Bob Seger]

There's 4 pages of folks voicing their opinions, much along the same lines as I, and you choose to single me out as a nut case. Sounds like you have it out for the Stack.:dontthink

Uh huh, and I guess none of it's your fault? :eyeroll:

How many JC fans do you see constantly getting on Highlands threads and down their coaches, program and players? Absolutely none!! That's how many.

[black&gold#1]

jj jude is an amazing running back!!!!!! I hope this kid goes to uk

[eaglefan98]

Uh huh, and I guess none of it's your fault? :eyeroll:

How many JC fans do you see constantly getting on Highlands threads and down their coaches, program and players? Absolutely none!! That's how many.

That's because we are more interested in our own team's games. And to quote Mr. Trimble "Pride and Respect is the Johnson County Way" or something like that.

[eagles2011]

if jchs could get some of the local teams 2 play heath wouldnt even be on this topix, jim tried to play p-burg irton ohio -pikeville letcher co,, harlan co,hazard, s clark,

[eagles2011]

if p burg would play jchs wood be a big money game. jerry bucther if from jchs he should want too play this game, when he was coach at jchs we played black cats every year so why dont deroset pull up his granney paintes and play jchs ,black cat never should be afraid of a eagle

[Brandon40403]

man I would love to see jc vs hazard pburg letcher central or harlan county that would be fantastic games and big money games either one of these teams would sell out except for maybe letcher central maybe.........Hope to see this in the future maybe a home and home or just once whatever it is I would love to see it

[smashmouth]

I agree, i'd love to see those games!

I also agree with the fact that kids should be rewarded for hardwork, but theres a right and wrong way to reward them. If you are up by 30-40 at halftime then thats rewarding their hardwork. If you can gain a lead like that in 2 quarters of play, does that not show the kids are working hard and doing a great job? If you keep in your starters then its not going to prove ANYTHING to ANYONE. "Oh man did you see how good so and so is? They put up 100 points on so and so?" I don't think i've ever heard that from ANYONE, especially when its a powerhouse team vs a WEAKER opponent. It turns into a mockery for the losing team and just isn't fun to play or watch. I mean switch the roles, what if Heath were up by 40 on JC, I bet it'd piss people off, WHETHER they admit it or not, if they ran up the score with an all-state back!

[cuppett777]

There's 4 pages of folks voicing their opinions, much along the same lines as I, and you choose to single me out as a nut case. Sounds like you have it out for the Stack.:dontthink

he done me the same way and cant back up what i was supposed to have said, but anyway,atleast someone else is getting a break..

[Brandon40403]

Jude only had 9 carries and only 1 in the 3rd quarter I just dont think that can be considered as running up the score if he had played deep in the 3rd quarter then yes but only 1 carry in the 3rd isnt running up the score in my opinion.......................If they have pcc down lets say 30-17 in the 4th quarter and jc is trying to run the clockout with 4 mins left and jude breaks a 40 yard td run just trying to run the clock out is that running up the score?

[Section213]

its running up the score simply beacuse heath was terrible. not to put them down but its the facts any good backs in the area ould have put up those numbers against them watch the film he goes untouched most of the time. hes an outstanding player indeed but just putting it out there that he didnt have to work very "hard" to do it.

consider maybe the first carry in the second half didnt score? do you think matney woulda took him out then? i doubt it.... so could we conclude that matney wanted him to score again before taking him out? nobody really knows.....

[Brandon40403]

its running up the score simply beacuse heath was terrible. not to put them down but its the facts any good backs in the area ould have put up those numbers against them watch the film he goes untouched most of the time. hes an outstanding player indeed but just putting it out there that he didnt have to work very "hard" to do it.

consider maybe the first carry in the second half didnt score? do you think matney woulda took him out then? i doubt it.... so could we conclude that matney wanted him to score again before taking him out? nobody really knows.....

So you should not run your offense because your back is really good and noone can tackle him its still a game you still have to run your offense and put the work in no matter how hard it is you have to prepare every week of the season like you are playing the top team in the state its what all good programs do......as for matney not taking him out if he hadnt scored well we will never know most of the time when you play a game like this you give the starters one series in the second half then pull em and thats what he did here i think

[Redneck]

A lot of people on here seem to blame Jim Matney for having a good football team the last 6 or 7 seasons. Yea Jim likes winning and scoring a lot of points doing it. Most of you may be too young to remember when every team JC scheduled beat them as bad as they could. In 1973 Pikeville was up 75-0 mid way through the 3rd period, and took no mercy on JC. Central's football program, until Jim was hired, was just a team to play to get a win for your team. I think it's funny now that they're winning and winning big, a lot of people have a problem with it. You're really not old enough to know anything about the program or you're too near sighted to actually see that this program has turned the corner and become a winner. Will they ever win a state championship? Who knows. But it's going to be a fun ride now to see if it may happen sometime soon. As far as running up the score or stat padding that is entirely up to the coach. Who cares as long as the players don't sustain career ending injuries. As far as JJ being a D-1 player, the jury is still out on this. No D-1 schools have offered yet. Season is still young.

Don't you think that statement is a little disrespectful to Bill Musick and the teams he put on the field while he was coach at JC? If I remember correctly, he had some damn good football teams, and that was back in the day before this 6 Class crap when the competition week in and week out was much tougher, especially during district play.

[whackem'n'stackem']

its running up the score simply beacuse heath was terrible. not to put them down but its the facts any good backs in the area ould have put up those numbers against them watch the film he goes untouched most of the time. hes an outstanding player indeed but just putting it out there that he didnt have to work very "hard" to do it.

consider maybe the first carry in the second half didnt score? do you think matney woulda took him out then? i doubt it.... so could we conclude that matney wanted him to score again before taking him out? nobody really knows.....

Seeg's, I believe the court of public opinion has spoken on this topic....Until next time my friend.:biggrin:

[Section213]

Seeg's, I believe the court of public opinion has spoken on this topic....Until next time my friend.:biggrin:

what the heck are you talking about.:igiveup:

[whackem'n'stackem']

what the heck are you talking about.:igiveup:

lol. I think it's time to lay this thread to rest. Goodness, we have an entire season to look forward to....:igiveup::igiveup: