[Hoot Gibson]

Obama could not get his cap and trade bill passed, even when he had a Democratically controlled House and Senate. Not to worry, he is using the EPA to circumvent the will of Congress to shut down coal fired power plants.

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5 Pa. coal-fired power plants to close

PITTSBURGH — GenOn Energy Inc. plans to close five of its older coal-fired power plants in Pennsylvania over the next four years.

The company, based in Houston, said Wednesday that tough new environmental rules make it unprofitable to operate the plants, which generate a total of 3,140 megawatts of electricity. The plants are in Portland, Shawville, Titus, New Castle and Elrama. Two plants in Ohio and one in New Jersey will also be closed. The company said the timeframes are subject to further review based on market conditions.

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[TheRealThing]

Obama could not get his cap and trade bill passed, even when he had a Democratically controlled House and Senate. Not to worry, he is using the EPA to circumvent the will of Congress to shut down coal fired power plants.

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I'm telling you, they will fall like dominos until the guy is unseated.

[TheRealVille]

We've got to close down those dinosaur plants and build new, up to date, clean plants. Only conservatives are for dinosaur plants, and dirty air.

[TheRealThing]

We've got to close down those dinosaur plants and build new, up to date, clean plants. Only conservatives are for dinosaur plants, and dirty air.

Fine, you show me where it's a one for one tradeoff and I'm on board with it 100%. So far all I've heard about is the ones you say you know about.

[Hoot Gibson]

We've got to close down those dinosaur plants and build new, up to date, clean plants. Only conservatives are for dinosaur plants, and dirty air.

Only fools support policies that are driving the price of electricity and gasoline through the roof.

[TheRealVille]

Only fools support policies that are driving the price of electricity and gasoline through the roof.

Only fools don't worry about the air we breathe, and the effects it will have thousands of years down the road.

[TheRealThing]

Only fools don't worry about the air we breathe, and the effects it will have thousands of years down the road.

I know the EPA cleaned up the emissions problems associated with these plants significantly.

[Hoot Gibson]

Only fools don't worry about the air we breathe, and the effects it will have thousands of years down the road.

The air is cleaner now in most of the country than it was during most of the 20th century. Opposing the insane anti-American policies of Obama does not equate advocating dirty air. Obama's policies are placing this country at a competitive disadvantage that is destroying our economy. Forget what the future looks like thousands of years from now - young Americans are unemployed in numbers not seen since the Great Depression. Their future is looking very dim and will look even dimmer if this nitwit gets a second term.

[TheRealThing]

Only fools don't worry about the air we breathe, and the effects it will have thousands of years down the road.

Well, recorded history only goes back around 6000 years. How many thousand are we talking here? You're saying mankind should in effect go into a sort of national/global economic hibernation, while science catches up with the whimsical notions of the liberal la-la's? How clean would the evironment necessarily need to be to allow man to once again, live life to the fullest?

I don't mind a bit to tell you what I think. All this foolishness about the sky falling, is the stuff of children's books. Simple minded ideology without taking the practical issues it entails into serious consideration. You are proposing to enslave mankind by the manifest destiny of John Lennon's "imagine". A pipedream where snail darters play and everybody drives a clean electric car around on clean streets with wind turbines all awhirl overhead.

I prefer to have things the way the Lord intended and clearly stated as follows;

Genesis 1:26-28 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


God made the earth for man to enjoy and use for his needs. I agree as much as anyone that stewardship is important and we are responsible as such to be good stewards. Therefore, clean air isn't a bad idea by any means. Man learned as he achieved, and became aware of threats and likely threats to the environment. America, unlike the entire world around us, has answered the call to be diligent in our use of this world's resouces and the pollution that we have caused. Our response has been entirely adequate and we now treat the world around us with respect and have been become very good at understanding, protecting and policing the environment. Where conservatives and liberals part ways is at the altar of worship the environmentalist insists on at the expense of what is best and necessary for the good of society.

We can and will get better. We don't need the environmentally obsessed, sociological imaginations of some liberal ideologue, with dillusions of grandeur, choking the life out of the folks that work for a living, especially in the white house. America works, we don't need to be fundamentally transformed.

[TheRealVille]

Well, recorded history only goes back around 6000 years. How many thousand are we talking here? You're saying mankind should in effect go into a sort of national/global economic hibernation, while science catches up with the whimsical notions of the liberal la-la's? How clean would the evironment necessarily need to be to allow man to once again, live life to the fullest?

I don't mind a bit to tell you what I think. All this foolishness about the sky falling, is the stuff of children's books. Simple minded ideology without taking the practical issues it entails into serious consideration. You are proposing to enslave mankind by the manifest destiny of John Lennon's "imagine". A pipedream where snail darters play and everybody drives a clean electric car around on clean streets with wind turbines all awhirl overhead.

I prefer to have things the way the Lord intended and clearly stated as follows;

Genesis 1:26-28 (KJV)
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


God made the earth for man to enjoy and use for his needs. I agree as much as anyone that stewardship is important and we are responsible as such to be good stewards. Therefore, clean air isn't a bad idea by any means. Man learned as he achieved, and became aware of threats and likely threats to the environment. America, unlike the entire world around us, has answered the call to be diligent in our use of this world's resouces and the pollution that we have caused. Our response has been entirely adequate and we now treat the world around us with respect and have been become very good at understanding, protecting and policing the environment. Where conservatives and liberals part ways is at the altar of worship the environmentalist insists on at the expense of what is best and necessary for the good of society.

We can and will get better. We don't need the environmentally obsessed, sociological imaginations of some liberal ideologue, with dillusions of grandeur, choking the life out of the folks that work for a living, especially in the white house. America works, we don't need to be fundamentally transformed.

Actual history goes back about 3.5 billion years. Tell that 6000 year stuff to someone that believes it. The 6K stuff is only one thing that makes religious people look like kooks. I read a Louis L' amour book once that talked about the Big Sandy valley, and that was more real. It had actual facts in it.

[TheRealThing]

Actual history goes back about 3.5 billion years. Tell that 6000 year stuff to someone that believes it. The 6K stuff is only one thing that makes religious people look like kooks. I read a Louis L' amour book once that talked about the Big Sandy valley, and that was more real. It had actual facts in it.

Well you're wrong on this one old buddy. RECORDED history, 6000 years. Not the theoretical fairy tale billions of years you think is associated with evolutionISM. Big difference.

[TheRealVille]

Well you're wrong on this one old buddy. RECORDED history, 6000 years. Not the theoretical fairy tale billions of years you think is associated with evolutionISM. Big difference.

:Thumbs: nicker: Facts and science are on my side. What do you have, a book? Even religious people are going with an old earth these days.

[TheRealVille]

Even your old buddy Hoot won't fall in line with you on this one, except for the "recorded" part. Written down history might be 6K years old, but even the most simple minded people know that the earth is eons older than that.

[TheRealThing]

:Thumbs: nicker: Facts and science are on my side. What do you have, a book? Even religious people are going with an old earth these days.

You're not listening. RECORDED HISTORY. We have actual documentation to that end you do realize this fact, right?

[TheRealThing]

Even your old buddy Hoot won't fall in line with you on this one, except for the "recorded" part. Written down history might be 6K years old, but even the most simple minded people know that the earth is eons older than that.

So you did latch onto the distinction here. I wasn't arguing the age of the planet geoloically. I was speaking of recorded history.

[TheRealVille]

You're not listening. RECORDED HISTORY. We have actual documentation to that end you do realize this fact, right?

I heard you. Go with that. You did notice where I acknowledged the "recorded" part in the above post, right? :Thumbs:

[TheRealThing]

Sheesh, what did you do for supper Real, down a quart thermos of expresso? LOL

[TheRealVille]

Sheesh, what did you do for supper Real, down a quart thermos of expresso? LOL

Yet again, a guy almost 20 years my senior has outlasted me at bedtime. See you tomorrow. :biggrin:

[TheRealThing]

Yet again, a guy almost 20 years my senior has outlasted me at bedtime. See you tomorrow. :biggrin:

Good night my friend

[RunItUpTheGut]

This blatant attack this administration is putting on coal is hurting everyone, not just Repubs or Dems.
I think its pretty unconsitutional to have an Agency (EPA) to pretty much do your dirty work so that your personal agendas are met.

[vundy33]

Well, recorded history only goes back around 6000 years.

Actual history goes back about 3.5 billion years. Tell that 6000 year stuff to someone that believes it. The 6K stuff is only one thing that makes religious people look like kooks. I read a Louis L' amour book once that talked about the Big Sandy valley, and that was more real. It had actual facts in it.

lol...

[TidesHoss32]

lol...

I know man, lol..I get on these forums just to watch them all go round and round. Its like watching a prize fight every night in the political forums, lol..

[vundy33]

I just lol'd at TRV missing the "recorded" part of TRT's post, hahaha.

[TheRealVille]

I just lol'd at TRV missing the "recorded" part of TRT's post, hahaha.

Oh I saw it. I know how TRT and Hoot backhand word things.

[Old School]

We've got to close down those dinosaur plants and build new, up to date, clean plants. Only conservatives are for dinosaur plants, and dirty air.

How many new coal fired power plant permits have been applied for in the past three years?

How many new coal fired power plant permits have been approved in the past three years?

The Serria Club is taking credit for shutting down over 100 coal fired power plants. How many new power plants (i.e. gas, nuclear, coal, hydro etc.) have been built or being built during the last three years?

[TheRealVille]

How many new coal fired power plant permits have been applied for in the past three years?

How many new coal fired power plant permits have been approved in the past three years?

The Serria Club is taking credit for shutting down over 100 coal fired power plants. How many new power plants (i.e. gas, nuclear, coal, hydro etc.) have been built or being built during the last three years?

I don't know the numbers, but there are a bunch of new plants being, and have been, built. But, I really don't have the energy, or desire, to argue politics for now.

[vector]

www.netl.doe.gov/coal/refshelf/ncp.pdf

[Hoot Gibson]

www.netl.doe.gov/coal/refshelf/ncp.pdf

What is your conclusion about the data shown in this report? Is the Obama administration actively working to reduce American reliance on coal fired power plants or not?

[UKisN1]

Looks like it to me.

[vector]

just the facts