[tomcatfan722000]

It's not weak man! Anybody that has watched a football game has heard of Homefield advantage! Did Ashland get 2 homes games in a row vs JC or not??? Is Ashland coming to JC again next year????? NOT!!!! 90% of the people on this site know Ashland has the biggest homefield advantage in Eastern KY. I rest my case!

I'm not arguing with any of that other than to say the win was tainted just cause the game was played at Putnam. Both teams have a great homefield advantage I would say JC's is just as good as Ashland and I actually really enjoy the whole atmosphere at JC with the music and everything. Idk why it worked out Ashland got two home games you would have to call the khsaa on that one. But the win wasn't tainted cause it was played in Putnam.

[squirrel63]

If eagle dad want to call out the people who were talking nonsense before the game I have no problem with it. I say if your man enough to say then you better be man enough to take the heat from it. But I take great pride in representing my school and my team with class and respect for each oppenent. So when I get accused of things like making excuses,or insulting another team I take offense to it. Cause if anyone has ever followed my post on here I make it a point not to do those things.

Are you kidding me? Get over it! Everybody gets on here and talks smack and you are whining around about a post! How old are you ? Don't you have other things to worry about? Move on!! :Sad04:

[tomcatfan722000]

Are you kidding me? Get over it! Everybody gets on here and talks smack and you are whining around about a post! How old are you ? Don't you have other things to worry about? Move on!! :Sad04:

Since we're both on the site and you're taking the time to respond to me I'd say we both have the same amount of things to worry about. But if you must know I'm 25 and if you can show me anything I said unprovoked or not in defense of myself then I will gladly explain it and if I can't I would admit you are right. But I have said nothing but complimentary things about the JC program and discussed the events of the game. So idk how I was even brought into this by eagle dad since he mentioned me and accused me completely unprovoked.

[OffTheHook]

^Been there done that. Just let it roll off your back like water man.

The ones who actually read the post and conversated with you, don't pay any attention to certain people.

It's all good man.

[honestjchsfan]

No making that kick puts more pressure on JC during the 2 point conversion cause if they don't get it they lose. This scenario happened to Ashland last year at belfry so I'm sure coach hart was hoping the same for JC. It's not a choke call he trusted his defense to make a stop. I would've went for two cause it is very difficult to keep JC from getting two. But the defense did do it on JC's first td so he trusted them to do it again. So questionable call maybe. But not a choke.

Maybe choke is the wrong word. If he goes for 2 and gets it then JC has real pressure and tie is the best they can do, If he goes for 2 and gets stopped JC still goes for 2. I think that's the point Ashland's coached missed. He was going to have to stop a 2 point try either way, may as well tried his own so atleast if he gets it his D can be make a play to win the game.

[tomcatfan722000]

Maybe choke is the wrong word. If he goes for 2 and gets it then JC has real pressure and tie is the best they can do, If he goes for 2 and gets stopped JC still goes for 2. I think that's the point Ashland's coached missed. He was going to have to stop a 2 point try either way, may as well tried his own so atleast if he gets it his D can be make a play to win the game.

That was my thoughts cause either way you have to stop a 2 to win the game. If you have a 2 point lead your defense is a little more relaxed and can be aggressive not afraid to make a mistake and if they make it the game goes on. I completely agree that what Ashland lost by not going for 2 is way more than what they gained by kicking the xp.

[EAGLE_CHEER_DAD2016]

Its turning into a Pville thread now. No need to bring that stuff into the fire.
Thought I smacked your hand once before.

[OffTheHook]

Maybe choke is the wrong word. If he goes for 2 and gets it then JC has real pressure and tie is the best they can do, If he goes for 2 and gets stopped JC still goes for 2. I think that's the point Ashland's coached missed. He was going to have to stop a 2 point try either way, may as well tried his own so atleast if he gets it his D can be make a play to win the game.

This was one of those "Damned if you do. Damned if you don't." situations.

Coach made his choice. His team made great plays all night long. JC just made the bigger plays when they had to.

IMHO , it just came down to who wanted it more on the field. Ashland has no reason to hang their heads! Would LOVE to see a rematch in the playoffs! Wonder if he would make the same choice?

[OffTheHook]

Its turning into a Pville thread now. No need to bring that stuff into the fire.
Thought I smacked your hand once before.

See what I mean...lol.

Same thing in the other thread. Didn't read the entire post. Throwed a smack and took off running...lol.

[tomcatfan722000]

This was one of those "Damned if you do. Damned if you don't." situations.

Coach made his choice. His team made great plays all night long. JC just made the bigger plays when they had to.

IMHO , it just came down to who wanted it more on the field. Ashland has no reason to hang their heads! Would LOVE to see a rematch in the playoffs! Wonder if he would make the same choice?

No he even hinted in the paper he is second guessing himself for not going for 2. With a physical runner like Elam and the big tight ends you could throw 2. 2 points would be very hard to stop. I'd say if he gets in that situation again against a team you know isn't gonna kick. He will go for 2

[honestjchsfan]

That was my thoughts cause either way you have to stop a 2 to win the game. If you have a 2 point lead your defense is a little more relaxed and can be aggressive not afraid to make a mistake and if they make it the game goes on. I completely agree that what Ashland lost by not going for 2 is way more than what they gained by kicking the xp.

I was on the Ashland Sideline with the press Ashland had big MOE in there favor the play call for the TD in OT was perfect! The Ashland players wanted to go for 2, they had JC on the ROPES and kicking the PAT was like ringing the bell for the end of the round just before a KO. I knew when Ashland kicked they were beat.

[tomcatfan722000]

I was on the Ashland Sideline with the press Ashland had big MOE in there favor the play call for the TD in OT was perfect! The Ashland players wanted to go for 2, they had JC on the ROPES and kicking the PAT was like ringing the bell for the end of the round just before a KO. I knew when Ashland kicked they were beat.

I knew if JC got it in the endzone we might be in trouble but I wouldn't have said I knew we were beat at that point.

[OffTheHook]

No he even hinted in the paper he is second guessing himself for not going for 2. With a physical runner like Elam and the big tight ends you could throw 2. 2 points would be very hard to stop. I'd say if he gets in that situation again against a team you know isn't gonna kick. He will go for 2

I would say you are right.

But, then again. If that fails. He will second guess himself again. Just gotta live with your choice and trust the players on the field....:Thumbs:

[tomcat4life]

The two years in a row at Putnam stadium was due to realignment between the two years and on Coach Matney's suggestion.

[Diogenes]

All I can say is when you feed the trolls, they just get hungrier. Don't feed the trolls.

[Hoot Gibson]

This was another classic match-up between two great football programs. I remember when most Ashland fans who posted online were as arrogant and condescending toward Johnson Central's football teams as many of those from Highlands have been over the years. Since this series resumed a few years ago, four games have gone down to the last play or the last minute. That kind of parity is needed for any true rivalry, along with great coaching, and strong support from fans and administrations.

We should all recognize and be thankful that most Johnson Central and Ashland fans have come to respect each other's programs and remember that there will always be a few fans on both sides who embarrass the rest of us in some way - be it with poor grammar, childish boasting, or blaming the referees for losses. This series has grown into an intense rivalry and I hope that it will continue, even if the two schools are placed in different districts or classes in the future.

This is THE game that I look forward to each season because I know that it will almost always decide the district championship. Winning a state championship is a tall order without first winning the district title.

[Pulp Fiction]

Somebody call seal team 6..... We have a thread hijacking!!!!

[Hoot Gibson]

I love the way that Matney coaches. Few people who have followed his career had any doubt that JC would go for the two point conversion in OT. Matney never plays for ties. He will always show confidence in his team's ability to make big plays when they are needed, win or lose. In big games, Matney finds a way to get the Golden Eagles into a position to win far more often than not. Ashland should have gone for two when they scored. Coach Hart has faced Matney often enough to know what to expect and IMO, you should always go for the quickest win possible on the road.

[Pulp Fiction]

^
I've heard Matney say several times.....

"Put on my tombstone, 'He went for 2.'"

[OldtimeTomcat]

I would like to congratulate JC on an exciting game, Friday nite. It wasn't the outcome I wanted but who could argue with the effort that was put out by both teams.

[MonsterMan]

This is one the best high school games I have ever seen. I thought JC looked bad at times tonight, but they were just facing great players, the same for Ashland. This was a total even game with big swings, JC just got the ball last. JC has always respected the Ashland program and Matney said in the tv interview after the game that "Ashland was the Notre Dame of Eastern Kentucky Football". Great tradition! I look for many more great battles between these two teams.

JC did something the other night I do not think I have ever seen as a fan. We scored on more throwing touchdowns than rushing. I think this is correct. I never thought I would see "Air Matney", but I like it.

[OldtimeTomcat]

I have been a reader on this site for a couple of years and after reading the posts on this game now feel to give my two cents worth.


I understand there are some over zealous Ashland posters on here, but there are like posters from nearly every team on this site. With regards to the statements that some of the Ashland posters felt like this team was going to be great, I have to say as a parent of one of these Ashland seniors and after watching this class play and grow together thru the years I felt that this was going to be a special team, success and talent wise. And not to slight last years seniors, I felt that this class had the makings to be better as a team just as I'm sure that some of the JC parents may feel the same about their kids. Call me a homer if you like but that is how I feel about this team.

With regards to the statements that Ashland got outcoached, I see it more as getting out executed and not outcoached. I'm not making excuses for the loss because I think that injuries are a part of the game and those teams that overcome those type of obstacles are the better team. But I think that Ashlands coaches maybe were thinking, concerning going for one instead of two in overtime, that their best chance to win was with the defense rather than the offense because thru the year Ashland had lost 3 of their top 4 running backs, one of its best recievers and one of its best linemen on offense for this game. And Ashland's defense has been better the last couple of years. Plus it is ironic that the coaching staff has been receiving criticism the last few years by not having a kicker with comments that it will eventually cost them a game.

Good luck to JC in the playoffs, and I think that this Ashland team can and will rebound to make some noise in the playoffs.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

From what apparently took place, I'd be inclined to give Matney an "A" and Hart a "D". Coaching did make a big difference in this game.

[Diogenes]

If you go for one, your chances should be much higher than going for two. When you have a solid kicker (as we have had the previous couple years) and your XP unit is near-automatic, it makes sense to take the sure point. However, when your XP unit is shaky and your chances of hitting the XP kick aren't much better (or maybe even worse) than getting three yards for two - why not go for two EVERY time?

I would agree that kicking the XP when you score first in overtime puts the pressure on the team getting the ball last - not only do you have to score the TD, you also have to get some form of conversion to stay alive, be it a kick or the two. He basically gave his defense two chances to not lose the game. They didn't, and that's football, but I wouldn't say it was an incorrect call. Remember, if not for a near-miraculous desperation throw and catch, we wouldn't be having this discussion at all.

[Bob Seger]

I think the last time Ashland played in Paintsville, to the best of my memory, they were very weak in the kicking department and at that time they went for two just about evey time too. I may be wrong on that but I dont think so. As you said Diogenes, a lot of what you do depends on the caliber of your personel. Knowing that you have someone that can almost guarantee a conversion puts you in a completely different mindset. You also have to remember that JC failed on the 2 point conversion after their first TD. Just that in itsself proved that JC getting the two was certainly NOT money in the bank. I can see where Hart would go for 1 instead of two, if you have faith in your defense to stop JC if they did end up scoring in OT. Remember they had already done it once. It's one of those things where either way one coach or the other is technicaly rolling the dice.

As far as desperation and miraculous? I'm not totally sure I agree with that in all respects. Yes, it was do or die, because you are 4th and 19 and if you fail the game is over, but as far as it being a desperation heave and/or a miracle catch, that is not what I saw. I saw a designed play that was executed when the game was on the line. Granted a time clock was not a factor, but in essance it could be said that time had expired. To me it was great coaching and great execution by the players.


Bottom line is, I dont think if I were Hart, I would be too hard on myself, nor do I think his fans should be all that critica eitherl. There was just cause for his decision, it just didn't work out that time.

[Do-double-gg]

I love threads like this one. People need to stop whining so much about the fighting and arguing. It's stuff like this that makes the rivalry's so good.nicker:

[tomcatfan722000]

I think the last time Ashland played in Paintsville, to the best of my memory, they were very weak in the kicking department and at that time they went for two just about evey time too. I may be wrong on that but I dont think so. As you said Diogenes, a lot of what you do depends on the caliber of your personel. Knowing that you have someone that can almost guarantee a conversion puts you in a completely different mindset. You also have to remember that JC failed on the 2 point conversion after their first TD. Just that in itsself proved that JC getting the two was certainly NOT money in the bank. I can see where Hart would go for 1 instead of two, if you have faith in your defense to stop JC if they did end up scoring in OT. Remember they had already done it once. It's one of those things where either way one coach or the other is technicaly rolling the dice.

As far as desperation and miraculous? I'm not totally sure I agree with that in all respects. Yes, it was do or die, because you are 4th and 19 and if you fail the game is over, but as far as it being a desperation heave and/or a miracle catch, that is not what I saw. I saw a designed play that was executed when the game was on the line. Granted a time clock was not a factor, but in essance it could be said that time had expired. To me it was great coaching and great execution by the players.


Bottom line is, I dont think if I were Hart, I would be too hard on myself, nor do I think his fans should be all that critica eitherl. There was just cause for his decision, it just didn't work out that time.

Don't get me wrong i love coach hart as a coach. I just know how automatic the system matney runs is. I understand the logic behind his decision. And you guys are right the defense had 2 chances to stop JC an didn't the throw from where I was looked underthrown but the wr made a great adjustment. If there is one problem with coach hart I have In this game it was the play call on 4th down. It seemed to me Ashland was in man coverage. Not a lot of zone or guarding the goal line. No tomcat was near the ball everyone knew was going in to the endzone. He should of had the kids more prepared for situational football. But I would still take coach hart over 90% of the coaches in Kentucky. Same for Jim Matney.

[Eagle Pride 90`]

I believe both coaches made the right call on the extra point calls in ot. Jc has a good extra point kicker but we have a high percentage going for two. The momentum that Ashland had was the determing factor, I think. Matney does not go for two automaticlly. A couple of years ago we were in overtime against Knox, with the ball first we scored first and kicked the XP. Knox scored and went for two and did not get it. I was in the stands wanting Matney go for two but believe me where I was the majority wanted him to kick at home. Gutsy call and it turned out to be the right one,but I'll bet the farm if we would have stopped Ashland going for two we would have kicked. We were not automaticly going for two, he was going for the win not the tie.

[tomcatfan722000]

I believe both coaches made the right call on the extra point calls in ot. Jc has a good extra point kicker but we have a high percentage going for two. The momentum that Ashland had was the determing factor, I think. Matney does not go for two automaticlly. A couple of years ago we were in overtime against Knox, with the ball first we scored first and kicked the XP. Knox scored and went for two and did not get it. I was in the stands wanting Matney go for two but believe me where I was the majority wanted him to kick at home. Gutsy call and it turned out to be the right one,but I'll bet the farm if we would have stopped Ashland going for two we would have kicked. We were not automaticly going for two, he was going for the win not the tie.

Has central kicked any this year?

[Eagle Pride 90`]

Has central kicked any this year?

Yes, after the first game or two at a high percentage