[TheRealVille]

I think Jindal is speaking to a few of you, Dusty.

"It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments - enough of that," he said, according to Politico. "It's not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can't be tolerated within our party. We've also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/201...?hpt=hp_t2

[Stardust]

^ You can't fix stupid TRV. So, no matter what the facts were, you know, those one's that I pointed out to you, you can't fix the fact that some just don't have the capacity's to be educated. So, you are correct, me telling you how ignorant you are to the facts of your party, you will just never understand. So, I can't help you, thus I will attempt to help someone with the capacity to educate themselves. Regardless of how they vote, I do pray that they will have the intelligence to find the truths, and not make believe one's like you

[TheRealVille]

^ You can't fix stupid TRV. So, no matter what the facts were, you know, those one's that I pointed out to you, you can't fix the fact that some just don't have the capacity's to be educated. So, you are correct, me telling you how ignorant you are to the facts of your party, you will just never understand. So, I can't help you, thus I will attempt to help someone with the capacity to educate themselves. Regardless of how they vote, I do pray that they will have the intelligence to find the truths, and not make believe one's like you

When did being an admin give you the authority to call someone stupid because you don't agree with their views?

2. If someone doesn't agree with you, don't take it personal.

* Staff: Treat everyone with respect. You are a member of the community just like anyone else on here. You do not have any authority over this site or any person here. You are entrusted with editing privileges. Don't abuse these privileges. If you abuse these privileges or mistreat a member you will be immediately removed from the staff.

[nky]

I think I'm going to get some pies on Friday

[outdoorsman43]

When did being an admin give you the authority to call someone stupid because you don't agree with their views?

Never change the subject. Ever.... :Shaking: :eyeroll:

[Stardust]

When did being an admin give you the authority to call someone stupid because you don't agree with their views?

LOL, I never once called you stupid As a matter of fact, I have kept this completely on the up and up and speaking directly with use of verbs to describe capacity and content. But, I should have expected you to not understand that. And no, I don't agree with your views nicker:

I wish you could play along, but as typical with you TRV, you prove you are wrong, and then you SPRINT to a new topic to hide your intelligence to the topic at hand...:biglmao:

[Stardust]

Never change the subject. Ever.... :Shaking: :eyeroll:

LOL, I guess we were writing at the same time about the SAME subject:Thumbs:

[TheRealVille]

http://www.healthcare.gov/

[Harry Rex Vonner]

http://www.healthcare.gov/

A website "managed" by the Department of Health and Human Services. You sure can't get more balanced reporting than from the government, can you? You have to be the only person who gives these propaganda machines any degree of credibility.

[TheRealVille]

A website "managed" by the Department of Health and Human Services. You sure can't get more balanced reporting than from the government, can you? You have to be the only person who gives these propaganda machines any degree of credibility.

That's the official page for the health care reform. Are they lying, and do you have prove that anything on that site is a lie?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

That's the official page for the health care reform. Are they lying, and do you have prove that anything on that site is a lie?

You said it all when you said it is "the official page for health care reform". That makes it propaganda since it preaches a certain viewpoint. Nothing unbiased there. It may as well have come from Chicago.

Get used to it, TheRealVille. A large minority of this country, over 47% who voted, will never accept your boy wonder. He is a maggot.

[nky]

That's the official page for the health care reform. Are they lying, and do you have prove that anything on that site is a lie?

Why isn't the IRS.gov the official site doesn't the law hire more new IRS agents (16000+) than workers in HHS?:pondering:

[TheRealVille]

You said it all when you said it is "the official page for health care reform". That makes it propaganda since it preaches a certain viewpoint. Nothing unbiased there. It may as well have come from Chicago.

Get used to it, TheRealVille. A large minority of this country, over 47% who voted, will never accept your boy wonder. He is a maggot.

You also better get used to him being President for the next 4 years. You also should get used to the fact that 62% of Americans want The Affordable Care Act.

[nky]

You also better get used to him being President for the next 4 years. You also should get used to the fact that 62% of Americans want The Affordable Care Act.

Where did you pull that number from?:pondering:

[TheRealVille]

Where did you pull that number from?:pondering:

A record low number of American voters want to see the Affordable Care Act – Obamacare – repealed, according to a new post-election poll conducted by the Kaiser Family Foundation.
Obamacare was not the top issue driving American to vote, although nearly seven in 10 Americans cited it as a “major factor” in their decision choosing between the candidates, according to Kaiser. Voters who listed Obamacare as a major factor were evenly split between Republican Mitt Romney, 47 percent, and President Obama, 46 percent.
Read the full Kaiser Family Foundation poll.
But only 33 percent of Americans now want to see the law repealed. Romney had pledged to repeal the law and replace it with new policy. 43 percent of Americans view the law favorably and 39 percent view it unfavorably, according to the poll.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...re-repeal/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...some-form/

[Harry Rex Vonner]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/201...re-repeal/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonk...some-form/

ABC News and Washington Post? At least you are consistent. But, ignorance is bliss, as they say, and you have certainly proven yourself to be quite blissful.

As for getting used to your little buddy, I will recognize what I please. And that will never include acknowledging your incompetent boy. I owe your boy no consideration or respect whatsoever.

[vector]

ABC News and Washington Post? At least you are consistent. But, ignorance is bliss, as they say, and you have certainly proven yourself to be quite blissful.

As for getting used to your little buddy, I will recognize what I please. And that will never include acknowledging your incompetent boy. I owe your boy no consideration or respect whatsoever.

there poll's was right on in the race for president

[TheRealThing]

At any rate, we'll see what the polls say when all the associated fees, fines, and taxes start getting assessed. That, and the fact that nothing is free. If, one adds over 30 million non-paying people to the insurance rolls with a federal proviso ordering medical providers to care for these non payers, in just the same manner paying members are cared for, it doesn't take long to figure the whole thing out. Levels of coverage will drop for those who are now paying for insurance, as taxpayers struggle to absorb the added cost of caring for the extra 30 million who are non payers. Currently the CBO estimates the cost will be $4,500.00 dollars a year per individual for bronze plans, via the ACA exchanges. The CBO estimate is for 2016, so it builds in two additional years of premium inflation (roughly 15%) into the projections. The CBO number is also an average across all age groups – since young adults’ plans can cost 1/3 as much as the oldest (non Medicare-age) Americans, 27 year-olds’ plans will be much cheaper than the average. While the ACA should have allowed for the skyrocketing inflation of insurance premiums in anticipation of the all the freeloaders coming in, $4,500 a year will be the minimum for the average adult to get a bronze level policy, which, only pays 60% of one's medical costs.

That means that a 55 year old husband and wife who are presently paying around $600.00 dollars a month will see their premium jump 30% over night to around $760.00 a month for insurance that only pays 60% of their medical costs if all they can afford is a bronze level policy. I know in my own case, premiums have gone from $525.00 a month to $700.00 a month in only 3 years. By 2016, I'll likely be paying $1,200.00 dollars a month until my kids are over 26. That's a jump of 125% in 5 years, for a policy that covers only a little over half of the one I have now. Cutting to the chase, ObamaCare will very likely cost many retirees their home and the life they worked so hard to live after retirement. Older folks naturally go to the doctor more often than the younger ones do. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see that the average retiree will have to come up with an additional $600 to 700.00 dollars each month to cover doctor visits and drug costs just to stay healthy. We're just talking about things like cholesterol, and blood pressure medicine here. Not by-pass surgery, which often costs upwards of $200,000.00 dollars. After one's bronze level care policy kicks in the 60% the insurance company will pay, that only leaves a paltry $80,000.00 for mom & dad or grandmom and granddad to pay, right kiddies? Almost everybody who pays for their own insurance now is going to lose it, nobody will be able to afford to keep it after the emergent ObamaCare drives the prices up into the stratosphere.

I know what you're saying, I just hope my employer will continue to provide my health insurance. Business will not, and can not afford ObamaCare either. Jobs are going to be lost in wholesale fashion, as employers lay off every possible worker, in anticipation of the painful inevitability of having to force their employees into the state exchanges. If you're sublimely simple minded, I guess it's still party time since Obama got reelected. But if you're a realist, these are dark days. Like I said, it's now a race to the midterms of 2014, and may the best republican win. And I hope that John Boehner will be man enough to do a man's job in the House while we're waiting. And here's the punch in the stomach, you know those guys, gals, and losers of every stripe that don't work or contribute one dime to help themselves or their progeny? They STILL WON'T PAY. The taxpayer will do all the paying, and my friend, taxpayer status (even in this day of ObamaSpeak) is still limited to those special folks that actually go out and work.

[TheRealVille]

^ Mine have gone from 652.00 a month to 498.00. Preventive care is included, if you will only take the red glasses off and read the ACA. You don't have a clue about what you speak. Go to the website, and you can read all about it.

[Beetle01]

Harry Rex, if you are going to dispute a source, I think it is only necessary to then post a source that you feel is more credible and offers a different view.

People like you are why I try not to identify with the Republican party, if you can't dispute an argument with facts, you just go with name calling and posting off topic.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Harry Rex, if you are going to dispute a source, I think it is only necessary to then post a source that you feel is more credible and offers a different view.

People like you are why I try not to identify with the Republican party, if you can't dispute an argument with facts, you just go with name calling and posting off topic.

You need a source for everything do you? How about a little bit of "common sense" followed by a dose of "smarts". I don't need to post a source to support the idea that today is Thursday. Most should be learned enough to figure that out.

I am saying that TheRealVille's continual citing of known liberal sources as evidence of truth is without credibility. To most, that should suffice.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

When a knowledgeable source is relevant, I'll mention one. Continual citing of sources which are less than credible is merely using an intellectual crutch. I'll cite res ipsa loquitur as my doctrine for that philosophy. I have done so before. That should suffice.

[Hoot Gibson]

^ Mine have gone from 652.00 a month to 498.00. Preventive care is included, if you will only take the red glasses off and read the ACA. You don't have a clue about what you speak. Go to the website, and you can read all about it.

Have you read the ACA, RV? Do you expect anybody to believe that you have read that massive tome, when Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama did not read it before it became law thanks to their signatures?

Beetle, I generally agree with you comments about providing links to support one's position, but do you think that RV's posting of a link to the Obamacare official website and telling other people to read it confers any more credibility to the propaganda that he posts on the President's behalf?

[Beetle01]

Have you read the ACA, RV? Do you expect anybody to believe that you have read that massive tome, when Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama did not read it before it became law thanks to their signatures?

Beetle, I generally agree with you comments about providing links to support one's position, but do you think that RV's posting of a link to the Obamacare official website and telling other people to read it confers any more credibility to the propaganda that he posts on the President's behalf?

I was referring to him disputing the numbers that the majority of Americans are in support of Obamacare, by attacking the sources : ABC News and the Washington Post (The Post to me is usually conservative on many issues, although you shouldn't be able to say that (Lib/Con) about any news source.)

I can only go by polls being shown and my general conversations with people I know. living where I do, the massive majority of my freinds/coworkers and whoever are fairly conservative. Most seem to be in favor of giving Obamacare a run, as it is completely obvious that there has to be change in the American healthcare system. Like with most problems, many times a reliable solution lays somewhere in the middle.

[Hoot Gibson]

I was referring to him disputing the numbers that the majority of Americans are in support of Obamacare, by attacking the sources : ABC News and the Washington Post (The Post to me is usually conservative on many issues, although you shouldn't be able to say that (Lib/Con) about any news source.)

I can only go by polls being shown and my general conversations with people I know. living where I do, the massive majority of my freinds/coworkers and whoever are fairly conservative. Most seem to be in favor of giving Obamacare a run, as it is completely obvious that there has to be change in the American healthcare system. Like with most problems, many times a reliable solution lays somewhere in the middle.

The overwhelming majority of people will grow to loathe Obamacare when it takes full effect. Wait until the doctor shortages kick in and long lines queue up for common surgeries like hip replacements. That is what has happened everywhere the government has taken over healthcare. Single payer is Obama's goal and it will become a reality because the law encourages people to make decisions that will eventually put most insurance companies out of business.

As for links, I was just pointing out that RV often posts links that he has not read to support his positions. He just assumes that what Obama has whispered in his ear is true and then tells people who doubt him to read a few thousand pages of legalese. So, links do not lend credibility to a poster unless he or she already has credibility. When I post links, I almost always include excerpts to show that I have at least read enough of an article to recognize the relevant part that supports my argument.

[TheRealThing]

^ Mine have gone from 652.00 a month to 498.00. Preventive care is included, if you will only take the red glasses off and read the ACA. You don't have a clue about what you speak. Go to the website, and you can read all about it.

I talked to a pipefitter BA from Ohio last weekend and he knows your BA. He said you're delusional if you think insurance rates have dropped for union membership. I know mine haven't. I'll tell you what RV, I know you feel compelled to answer every post I make and to tell the truth it really doesn't mean much to me that you do. The vast majority of the time you miss the gist of what posters on here are saying, and I see no reason to think you any sharper when it comes to the unlikely marriage of federal legalese and health care insurance. As is normally the case, you're wrong again, probably because you're so blinded by bias. I know what I pay, and I know the CBO is the daddy of projected health care costs as the result of ObamaCare. But you go right on like you got it down pat. nicker:

Your union brothers, who you say you care about so much, will lose their health insurance because of this, IMO. Not to mention everybody's pension fund. Many of the Carpenter's pension funds are in crisis status as we speak. The stock market has tanked over a thousand points since October, down from 13,610 to today's rate of 12,542. I guarantee you if this keeps up it will hurt everybody.

Many restaurants such as Denny's, Red Lobster, and Bob Evans say they have no choice but to cut everybody's hours back to less than 30 a week. Obama's going to fundamentally transform America alright. In fact, the CBO has conceeded that at least 700,000 jobs will be lost immediately because of the implimentation of ObamaCare. Small businesses everywhere will cut back and many will lay off. Hopefully, you will be able to get around to all these businesses and explain everything to them so they can relax. I mean, the .gov website, why didn't I think of that? The nearly one million losing viable income, and their families just need to get with the liberal juggernaut.

[MiddlesboroAlumni]

Wow. I haven't been on here in a couple of years and I still see the same fools that were foolish then are still foolish now. :biggrin:

[TheRealVille]

I talked to a pipefitter BA from Ohio last weekend and he knows your BA. He said you're delusional if you think insurance rates have dropped for union membership. I know mine haven't. I'll tell you what RV, I know you feel compelled to answer every post I make and to tell the truth it really doesn't mean much to me that you do. The vast majority of the time you miss the gist of what posters on here are saying, and I see no reason to think you any sharper when it comes to the unlikely marriage of federal legalese and health care insurance. As is normally the case, you're wrong again, probably because you're so blinded by bias. I know what I pay, and I know the CBO is the daddy of projected health care costs as the result of ObamaCare. But you go right on like you got it down pat. nicker:

Your union brothers, who you say you care about so much, will lose their health insurance because of this, IMO. Not to mention everybody's pension fund. Many of the Carpenter's pension funds are in crisis status as we speak. The stock market has tanked over a thousand points since October, down from 13,610 to today's rate of 12,542. I guarantee you if this keeps up it will hurt everybody.

Many restaurants such as Denny's, Red Lobster, and Bob Evans say they have no choice but to cut everybody's hours back to less than 30 a week. Obama's going to fundamentally transform America alright. In fact, the CBO has conceeded that at least 700,000 jobs will be lost immediately because of the implimentation of ObamaCare. Small businesses everywhere will cut back and many will lay off. Hopefully, you will be able to get around to all these businesses and explain everything to them so they can relax. I mean, the .gov website, why didn't I think of that? The nearly one million losing viable income, and their families just need to get with the liberal juggernaut.

I don't care who knows who. Mine used to be 652 a month for self pay, it is 498.00 a month now. That's fact. For the record, all piping BA's in this area, including Portsmouth, were backing Obama, including mine.

[TheRealVille]

Have you read the ACA, RV? Do you expect anybody to believe that you have read that massive tome, when Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Barack Obama did not read it before it became law thanks to their signatures?

Beetle, I generally agree with you comments about providing links to support one's position, but do you think that RV's posting of a link to the Obamacare official website and telling other people to read it confers any more credibility to the propaganda that he posts on the President's behalf?

Yes, I have been reading a few parts of it, and most of what is being told here is false. Most of you report from conservative type places, and I was pointing out that if you want to post, find it in the official ACA site, and post it from there, not the Washington examiner, or Fox News. It has all parts of the ACA listed on the website.

[Stardust]

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