[AtlPirateFan]

Let's see if we can bring Haywood in as the regional best coach and then push him on to National. Would love to see it brought home to KY. It may be a popularity contest but would still be amazing show of support.

http://contest.usatodayhss.com/vote/bestcoach2013/r4

[AtlPirateFan]

Currently holding a 14% lead in the early voting with over 12k votes since noon. Will keep an eye on it as this round progresses.

[WideRight05]

Definitely get to voting!!! I just voted....

for Bob Hyland. Realistically, the best of the group is either him or Vince Lorenzano.

With that being said, Haywood will easily win the popularity contest.

[ataclance]

Such a great guy and great coach.

[PaytoPlay]

Couple of the coaches appear to have strong voting blocks. I was just on there voting a few times and the guy from Indiana I believe was gaining ground steadily.

[AtlPirateFan]

Coach with a 16% lead with ~29k votes currently.

[jw4914]

Gave him my vote.... He was at 30373 when I voted......

[panther nation]

Why wouldn't everyone on BGR vote for him? Great coach!!

[PaytoPlay]

Indiana guy is rolling

[Granny Bear]

So is Haywood. Maintaining at 37%. With those numbers, close to 100K votes have been cast!!

[E's Army]

Voted. Vote Haywood. Vote early. Vote often.

[WideRight05]

Why wouldn't everyone on BGR vote for him? Great coach!!

Because he's not the best coach on the list.

[Crossbones]

Because he's not the best coach on the list.

And You've seen how many of them coach? I've personally seen two of them. I believe most are trying to make the point that Haywood is representing the state of Kentucky. Just because your guy is not on the list doesn't mean you should vote against the State. JMO. I could really care less who you vote for. So have at it. You from your past post don't like Belfry or it's fans because of how you buddy got treated at a Belfry game, according to you anyway. Sorry that a few people turned you against an entire fan base and program. I don't think bad of Highlands and I have been there, several times, and was not always treated like a king. Go figure.

[WideRight05]

And You've seen how many of them coach? I've personally seen two of them. I believe most are trying to make the point that Haywood is representing the state of Kentucky. Just because your guy is not on the list doesn't mean you should vote against the State. JMO. I could really care less who you vote for. So have at it. You from your past post don't like Belfry or it's fans because of how you buddy got treated at a Belfry game, according to you anyway. Sorry that a few people turned you against an entire fan base and program. I don't think bad of Highlands and I have been there, several times, and was not always treated like a king. Go figure.

One of the coaches has six titles in nine years, and another has more wins, a better winning percentage, and six times the titles Haywood has. Show me that Haywood is a better coach and I will vote for him. See, I never said Haywood as a bad coach. I said in a previous thread that he was very good. But he's not the best coach in this list, he is not the best coach in this state. Just because somebody says something against Belfry doesn't mean that they dislike Belfry.

[Crossbones]

One of the coaches has six titles in nine years, and another has more wins, a better winning percentage, and six times the titles Haywood has. Show me that Haywood is a better coach and I will vote for him. See, I never said Haywood as a bad coach. I said in a previous thread that he was very good. But he's not the best coach in this list, he is not the best coach in this state. Just because somebody says something against Belfry doesn't mean that they dislike Belfry.

Just because he has 6 titles doesn't mean he is the best coach. Heck, He could have the best talent pool in the state. I'm not even saying that I think Haywood is the best. But he is representing the State of Ky. I'm not going to try to show you anything. You made your mind up when Haywood beat out the other coaches from the state of Ky. and it is evident. As I said before, vote for whom you want. I have read in previous threads where you said Haywood was a good coach, I'm sure he appreciated that. You have said that you disliked Belfry and would never root for them in post of past, all over a game that you suppossedly attended with your Ashland friend.

[AnotherPirateTD]

How long does the voting last ?

[Poseidon]

Well deserved. There are several good coaches in Ky. that are deserving.

[WideRight05]

Just because he has 6 titles doesn't mean he is the best coach. Heck, He could have the best talent pool in the state. I'm not even saying that I think Haywood is the best. But he is representing the State of Ky. I'm not going to try to show you anything. You made your mind up when Haywood beat out the other coaches from the state of Ky. and it is evident. As I said before, vote for whom you want. I have read in previous threads where you said Haywood was a good coach, I'm sure he appreciated that. You have said that you disliked Belfry and would never root for them in post of past, all over a game that you suppossedly attended with your Ashland friend.

You again bring up my "dislike of Belfry," which of course is a tactic to dismiss most of what I said about you proving to me that Haywood is a better coach than the two guys (the one that has won 6 titles in 9 years and the one with 12 titles overall) and keeping the discussion on more familiar ground. If a coach wins 12 titles in 2A with NCC or 12 titles with Trinity, 12 titles is 12 titles. Belfry had their chances to win these past few years and choked it away. Dale Mueller has won six in a row and regardless of how good Highlands is, he had to go through much tougher competition (Cov Cath, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, etc.) to win. Bob Beatty regularly plays and wins against top notch competition nation-wide. I have nothing against Belfry, as you claim with anybody who says the least little thing against your team. Haywood seems like a great man. I hope the kids for Belfry succeed and do well outside of football and in life as I'm sure they will, or in college football should they pursue that route. But it's sure tough for you to get through your emotional attachments and see reality.

[EKUAlum05]

Definitely get to voting!!! I just voted....

for Bob Hyland. Realistically, the best of the group is either him or Vince Lorenzano.

With that being said, Haywood will easily win the popularity contest.

You again bring up my "dislike of Belfry," which of course is a tactic to dismiss most of what I said about you proving to me that Haywood is a better coach than the two guys (the one that has won 6 titles in 9 years and the one with 12 titles overall) and keeping the discussion on more familiar ground. If a coach wins 12 titles in 2A with NCC or 12 titles with Trinity, 12 titles is 12 titles. Belfry had their chances to win these past few years and choked it away. Dale Mueller has won six in a row and regardless of how good Highlands is, he had to go through much tougher competition (Cov Cath, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, etc.) to win. Bob Beatty regularly plays and wins against top notch competition nation-wide. I have nothing against Belfry, as you claim with anybody who says the least little thing against your team. Haywood seems like a great man. I hope the kids for Belfry succeed and do well outside of football and in life as I'm sure they will, or in college football should they pursue that route. But it's sure tough for you to get through your emotional attachments and see reality.

So we are at an understanding, and so it is established in all threads moving forward, in your opinion the best coaches in the State of Kentucky in order are:

1a. Ty Scroggins- Central
1b. Bob Beatty- Trinity




3. Edward Eviston- Newport Central Catholic

4. Dale Mueller- Highlands

(Spaces there intentionally to show the difference between the coaches based on your voting criteria outlined above)

[Pirate1991#8]

You again bring up my "dislike of Belfry," which of course is a tactic to dismiss most of what I said about you proving to me that Haywood is a better coach than the two guys (the one that has won 6 titles in 9 years and the one with 12 titles overall) and keeping the discussion on more familiar ground. If a coach wins 12 titles in 2A with NCC or 12 titles with Trinity, 12 titles is 12 titles. Belfry had their chances to win these past few years and choked it away. Dale Mueller has won six in a row and regardless of how good Highlands is, he had to go through much tougher competition (Cov Cath, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, etc.) to win. Bob Beatty regularly plays and wins against top notch competition nation-wide. I have nothing against Belfry, as you claim with anybody who says the least little thing against your team. Haywood seems like a great man. I hope the kids for Belfry succeed and do well outside of football and in life as I'm sure they will, or in college football should they pursue that route. But it's sure tough for you to get through your emotional attachments and see reality.

Tougher competition my ass..Highlands couldn't beat the past two or three Louisville central's...Mueller knows better to schedule Louisville teams because he knows he will lose....Coach Haywood is the best Coach in the state of Kentucky. Period........And he knows how to beat Highlands History shows...4A is a joke...

[Crossbones]

You again bring up my "dislike of Belfry," which of course is a tactic to dismiss most of what I said about you proving to me that Haywood is a better coach than the two guys (the one that has won 6 titles in 9 years and the one with 12 titles overall) and keeping the discussion on more familiar ground. If a coach wins 12 titles in 2A with NCC or 12 titles with Trinity, 12 titles is 12 titles. Belfry had their chances to win these past few years and choked it away. Dale Mueller has won six in a row and regardless of how good Highlands is, he had to go through much tougher competition (Cov Cath, Johnson Central, Lexington Catholic, etc.) to win. Bob Beatty regularly plays and wins against top notch competition nation-wide. I have nothing against Belfry, as you claim with anybody who says the least little thing against your team. Haywood seems like a great man. I hope the kids for Belfry succeed and do well outside of football and in life as I'm sure they will, or in college football should they pursue that route. But it's sure tough for you to get through your emotional attachments and see reality.

Again, you dodge the ? of which of the coaches you have seen. If you have not seen them coach, then how do you know they are better. Your just going off of titles. So, then EKU would have it right. As far as Highlands playing "much tougher competition". Belfry has played and beatin some of those teams and has taken beating from them even Highlands, from a much less talent pool. Your point proves nothing. Thanks for the well wishes for the kids at Belfry. I have no emotional attachment to Belfry what so ever. I try to call it as I see it.

[WideRight05]

So we are at an understanding, and so it is established in all threads moving forward, in your opinion the best coaches in the State of Kentucky in order are:

1a. Ty Scroggins- Central
1b. Bob Beatty- Trinity




3. Edward Eviston- Newport Central Catholic

4. Dale Mueller- Highlands

(Spaces there intentionally to show the difference between the coaches based on your voting criteria outlined above)

Again, a diversionary tactic to change the topic. I like you EKU, but I am yet to see a point as to why Haywood is better than Mueller, Beatty, Skroggins, or all but one or two of the coaches on the regional list that he is in the running for. I am talking about the coaches that are on this list. Regardless of the situation, class you are in, etc., 12 state titles are 12 state titles, as the first coach on the list has done (8 in private, 4 in public).

Since you mentioned it, however...

1. Mueller and Beatty - both have made the most of their situations and have won a ton of state titles. I'm not going through the headache of trying to pick who is better.

2. Ty Skroggins - A coach who has won multiple state titles as Central, some years (especially 2007) his team has won as the underdog.

3. Eviston...I know very little about him, how many state titles does he have?

Again, I am yet to see a point as to how Haywood is the best coach on this regional list.

[64SUR]

My vote is for free for Haywood :welcome:

[EKUAlum05]

Again, a diversionary tactic to change the topic. I like you EKU, but I am yet to see a point as to why Haywood is better than Mueller, Beatty, Skroggins, or all but one or two of the coaches on the regional list that he is in the running for. I am talking about the coaches that are on this list. Regardless of the situation, class you are in, etc., 12 state titles are 12 state titles, as the first coach on the list has done (8 in private, 4 in public).

Since you mentioned it, however...

1. Mueller and Beatty - both have made the most of their situations and have won a ton of state titles. I'm not going through the headache of trying to pick who is better.

2. Ty Skroggins - A coach who has won multiple state titles as Central, some years (especially 2007) his team has won as the underdog.

3. Eviston...I know very little about him, how many state titles does he have?

Again, I am yet to see a point as to how Haywood is the best coach on this regional list.

You mistake me for someone claiming Haywood is the best coach in the state...I am not. In fact my opinion of a Coach Ranking might surprise you.

I am pointing out that based on your previous posts in this thread about who you are voting for an what qualifies them as the best coach it is above all else, and unequivocally, Championship Frequency in your opinion. Moreso than Championship Total.. moreso than competition level... and void of quality of team (because the St. X coach would dominate everyone on that list).


Scroggins and Beatty each have won Championships in 71.4% of the seasons they have coached.

Eviston has won Championships in 66% of the seasons he has coached.

Mueller has won championships in 55% of the seasons he has coached.

So either there is more that goes into being the best coach rather than Championship Frequency... or...well.... your boy Dale Mueller is second tier to a NewCath coach

[pirateforlife00]

Just so we know Coach Eviston didn't win all of those state titles that NCC has. Bob Schneider won a lot of them as he just retired I believe at the end of the 2009 or 2010 season. He retired with 345 all time wins. Below is a link for the all time wins list for KY high school football coaches all-time and this was before the season so it doesn't have the active coaches wins for this season added to this.

[pirateforlife00]

And I know Coach Mueller has a few more because I remember reading somewhere that he just won his 300th career game and the link only has him listed at 237 so I guess he coached outside the state of KY before Highlands and those wins arn't added in as well.

[Crossbones]

You mistake me for someone claiming Haywood is the best coach in the state...I am not. In fact my opinion of a Coach Ranking might surprise you.

I am pointing out that based on your previous posts in this thread about who you are voting for an what qualifies them as the best coach it is above all else, and unequivocally, Championship Frequency in your opinion. Moreso than Championship Total.. moreso than competition level... and void of quality of team (because the St. X coach would dominate everyone on that list).


Scroggins and Beatty each have won Championships in 71.4% of the seasons they have coached.

Eviston has won Championships in 66% of the seasons he has coached.

Mueller has won championships in 55% of the seasons he has coached.

So either there is more that goes into being the best coach rather than Championship Frequency... or...well.... your boy Dale Mueller is second tier to a NewCath coach

I am in agreement with this. That was kinda my point. I think coach Haywood is a good man and has done great things with the Belfry football program. I personally do not see him as the greatest coach in the state of Ky. But I do think he has done a great job at coaching Belfry. I do think taking into consideration the talent pool and areas that a coach is coaching at means alot. Just look at the D1 talent that goes through Central alone compared to Belfry's. Food for thought.

[EKUAlum05]

I am in agreement with this. That was kinda my point. I think coach Haywood is a good man and has done great things with the Belfry football program. I personally do not see him as the greatest coach in the state of Ky. But I do think he has done a great job at coaching Belfry. I do think taking into consideration the talent pool and areas that a coach is coaching at means alot. Just look at the D1 talent that goes through Central alone compared to Belfry's. Food for thought.

And this is exactly why I am interjecting as WR outspokenly lashes out against the coach from the Bluegrass State.

My criteria for what makes the best coach involves many pieces to the puzzle...not just simply "Championships are Championships".. because that is not actually the case. There is a reason a minority of KY teams win the majority of the Championships. There is a reason that long before Dale Mueller ever walked the sidelines of Highlands High School that the Bluebirds were one of the dominant programs in KY regardless of class and why he was able to seamlessly continue that legacy.

The argument Belfry fans make for Coach Haywood is that he "Does More With Less" and to be frank..it is a damn good argument. For a county school there is no Coach remotely on the level of Haywood's resume, IMHO. The only County School that rivals Belfry's achievements the past 20 years or so is Boyle County.. but the lion's share of their success came and went with Chuck Smith. They are still a fine program, but even Boyle has not enjoyed the success of Belfry consistently since Smith's departure. On top of all this, for Belfry to do it in such a rural area with such a dwindling economy and the pressures that comes with it is impressive... to see the program ascending in spite of this is downright unprecedented.

In the previous thread WR accurately made the point Highlands has done a lot since they play up and are really a 3A school.. to which I said that WR was mistaking enrollment with talent pool. This is absolutely nothing to do with recruiting.. but Highlands has enjoyed the spoils of talent pool for decades and their talent pool to draw from (once again not implying recruiting) is night and day larger than anything Belfry could dream of.

Thus when the argument is made he has "done more with less" I think WideRight is doing himself an injustice to dismiss it and vote ever so outspokenly for a coach he has no clue about other than a 3 line blurb under his name

[EKUAlum05]

Since you mentioned it, however...



2. Ty Skroggins - A coach who has won multiple state titles as Central, some years (especially 2007) his team has won as the underdog.

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While we are at it...

2007 Scroggins was the underdog for sure when Central won it

2008, 2010, 2011 Central was a very heavy favorite.

2012 Central was still a significant favorite, but the fact Belfry nearly shocked the Yellowjackets the prior year did make some people expect a closer game.

Belfry is 0-4 against Central.. but they only lost one game they were expected to win.. and in two games they were the decisive underdog they came a play away from winning it.

[adopted purple]

Coach Haywood is the only coach from Kentucky left in the running. All Kentuckians should vote for him. If you don't, you are just a jerk.