[East KY]

It won't matter of they do. JC will still have a running clock by 2nd or 3rd quarter.

[Pulp Fiction]

I posted this in another thread.... but it may not be as popular as this one.


These are simply just questions...... so please don't read anything more to it than just a curious football fan (Please Please overlook me on this post as being a JC fan)


What is Ashland's biggest point spread loss?
What is the most points Ashland has ever had scored on them?

I'm just wondering because Ashland has one of the most tradition rich programs in the state. I'm sure they've not had many 'blow-out' losses in their history.

[Pulp Fiction]

I'm not sure on JC's biggest point spread loss or the most points we've ever had scored against us.... I'll have to do some research.


But I do think our biggest point spread win was in the 2000 season when went 11-1.....
It was against Perry County Central....... 72-0. That also may be the most points we've ever scored. We also hit the 72 mark earlier this year against Noblesville, IN.

[Diogenes]

I'm not sure on JC's biggest point spread loss or the most points we've ever had scored against us.... I'll have to do some research.


But I do think our biggest point spread win was in the 2000 season when went 11-1.....
It was against Perry County Central....... 72-0. That also may be the most points we've ever scored. We also hit the 72 mark earlier this year against Noblesville, IN.

Back in the early days of JC football, I think Pikeville beat us 75-0.

Seems like we broke 70 at least once against a pretty much defenseless Morgan County team back in Coach Musick's day also.

[Leaping Lee]

If JC doesn't have the clock running by the end of the 1st half they should be embarrassed. This Ashland team is lucky to have won 7 games, their record should be 2-7 with lucky wins over Ironton, Rowan, Raceland, Greenup, and Russell. Their only wins should have been Boyd and Sheldon Clark and if Sheldon Clark hadn't sustained a couple of injuries early they probably beat Ashland also.

Now Johnson Central on the other hand is having a special year and why not. You don't spend and extra year or two in grade school to finish 2nd in your high school football district.

[FBALL]

I detect sarcasm.

[Bob Seger]

If JC doesn't have the clock running by the end of the 1st half they should be embarrassed. This Ashland team is lucky to have won 7 games, their record should be 2-7 with lucky wins over Ironton, Rowan, Raceland, Greenup, and Russell. Their only wins should have been Boyd and Sheldon Clark and if Sheldon Clark hadn't sustained a couple of injuries early they probably beat Ashland also.

Now Johnson Central on the other hand is having a special year and why not. You don't spend and extra year or two in grade school to finish 2nd in your high school football district.

Ah, you'll never change Leepin NotsoBADCAT.:Clap::Clap:..I see that you are still the ultimate whiner, crybaby, and excuse maker....It doesn't matter what you change your name to, you'll ALWAYS stick out like a sore thumb. You just.. cant.. help yourself by not coming up with all this stupid stuff at just the right moment. You just have that special knack of impeccable timing with this stuff. It's a gift and if you've got a gift, well I guess you dang sure better use it....So please don't ever change, you just being you, is what makes this board so exciting...


Of course, I'm sure you've already hired a private investigator yourself to check to see if everyone is of legal age.. I know you don't have the time yourself to personally do it anymore since you've got that cushy new job with the KHSAA. We're all so very proud, BTW, for the way you've worked your way up the ranks quite nicely over the years....Who would have ever "thunk it", that after all those years of boohooing and blaming ASH Land's losses on the stadium music at Eagle Field, that they would actually create a new division within the KHSAA and name you Vice President of Stadium Music Enforcement over the whole state of Kentucky. Gosh, it's a big responsibility to make sure that somebody is not playing Long Black Train above the recommended db level set forth by the American Institute of Excuse Makers. You are a living, walking, talking example to all the younger folks out there and proof that if you persevere, snot around,and whine long enough that dreams can eventually come true.....


We all love ya, Leepin NotsoBADCAT !!

:lmao:

[Bob Seger]

Back in the early days of JC football, I think Pikeville beat us 75-0.

Seems like we broke 70 at least once against a pretty much defenseless Morgan County team back in Coach Musick's day also.

I saw that game. It was '73 or '74 and was played at Paintsville. That was before we ever even had our own field.

[Bob Seger]

If JC doesn't have the clock running by the end of the 1st half they should be embarrassed. This Ashland team is lucky to have won 7 games, their record should be 2-7 with lucky wins over Ironton, Rowan, Raceland, Greenup, and Russell. Their only wins should have been Boyd and Sheldon Clark and if Sheldon Clark hadn't sustained a couple of injuries early they probably beat Ashland also.

Now Johnson Central on the other hand is having a special year and why not. You don't spend and extra year or two in grade school to finish 2nd in your high school football district.

In light of the recent passing of Bum Phillips, I thought this to be a applicable statement.



Bum Phillips- "Football is a game of failure. You fail all the time, but you are never a failure until you start blaming someone else."

[Hoot Gibson]

I saw that game. It was '73 or '74 and was played at Paintsville. That was before we ever even had our own field.

Wasn't that game forfeited after the 3rd quarter too, Bob? I think that I was at the game as well, but my memory is not what it once was. It is nice to attend a JC these days and be seated around fans who understand football. Back then, very few adult JC fans new anything about the game.

I don't think many people appreciate how difficult it was to consolidate several high schools that had never fielded a football team into one large high school with competing political factions and build a football program from scratch.

JC's early head football coaches like Bruce Howard had some coaches on their staffs who had never played high school football. Looking back on those days, it is amazing that JC was able to compete as well as it did - but that Pikeville game was a case of bad scheduling at its worst.

JC was not even ready to compete with the good 1A teams in the area before '75 or '76 and what Teeny Vanhoose did in '77 was amazing...and then he was gone and the program took several steps backward.

[Hoot Gibson]

In light of the recent passing of Bum Phillips, I thought this to be a applicable statement.



Bum Phillips- "Football is a game of failure. You fail all the time, but you are never a failure until you start blaming someone else."

Outstanding post, Bob. Bum Phillips captured Leaping Lee in a nutshell. Great quote. :Thumbs:

[Bob Seger]

Wasn't that game forfeited after the 3rd quarter too, Bob? I think that I was at the game as well, but my memory is not what it once was. It is nice to attend a JC these days and be seated around fans who understand football. Back then, very few adult JC fans new anything about the game.

I don't think many people appreciate how difficult it was to consolidate several high schools that had never fielded a football team into one large high school with competing political factions and build a football program from scratch.

JC's early head football coaches like Bruce Howard had some coaches on their staffs who had never played high school football. Looking back on those days, it is amazing that JC was able to compete as well as it did - but that Pikeville game was a case of bad scheduling at its worst.

JC was not even ready to compete with the good 1A teams in the area before '75 or '76 and what Teeny Vanhoose did in '77 was amazing...and then he was gone and the program took several steps backward.

It very well could have been Hoot, I really don't remember that part.

But, for what it's worth, Johnson Central was really not that much different than most county schools in eastern Kentucky at that time. For many years it was usually only the city schools that served as their respective county seats that fielded football teams....Consolidation is the thing that can be attributed to football being what it is now in the mountains. Perhaps there were some, but I cant think of one single county school system that ever had a football team until the early to late 70's in eastern Kentucky.

[Hoot Gibson]

It very well could have been Hoot, I really don't remember that part.

For what it's worth, Johnson Central was really not that much different than most county schools in eastern Kentucky at that time. For many years it was usually only the city schools that served as their respective county seats that fielded football teams....Consolidation is the thing that can be attributed to football being what it is now in the mountains. Perhaps there were some, but I cant think of one single county school system that ever had a football team until the early to late 70's in eastern Kentucky.

I agree that football was rare among county school systems back then. Schools like Letcher County Central and Harlan County have had an easier time building football programs than schools like Johnson Central did because their consolidation came after most county schools already fielded their own teams. They also saw the benefit of hiring good coaches and giving them time to build a program.

It took Johnson County's administration a long time to develop the patience it takes to build a strong football program. It was probably a good thing that Steve Trimble came along when he did. As you know, Steve played for JC in the early years of the program, and later struggled as a JC coach himself. I think that experience gave him a good perspective of what JC had done wrong with its program over the years. If Bill Musick had gone winless in his first season a few years earlier at JC, that season would probably have been his first and last. Steve stuck with him and Musick built the best feeder system in eastern Kentucky, IMO.

[armyfootball#1]

Ok I'm going to just ask a question that a lot of people in eastern ky would like to know. Without upsetting everyone, and saying I am looking for excuses and whining etc. I don't have a favorite team in this. With that being said, and looking at it open minded, how many kids that are in grade 7-12 have JC were actually held back in grade or middle school. And the question is, if it is a high number, wouldn't you all agree that it can really be a huge advantage in regards to age. Such as a 7th grader that gets an extra year at 7th, 8th etc. Then when they are in high school, the team actually gets a kid or several (as what has been said), that are what would have been in college, still playing high school football. Again just asking. I actually don't see a problem, but only if the kid would have been a 13yr. old freshman. Which is the case why some hold their kids back. Please only educated facts need reply on this. Not something like "whining, crying" just how many from 7-12th that have been held back during their school yrs. Thanks

[tomcatfan722000]

If JC doesn't have the clock running by the end of the 1st half they should be embarrassed. This Ashland team is lucky to have won 7 games, their record should be 2-7 with lucky wins over Ironton, Rowan, Raceland, Greenup, and Russell. Their only wins should have been Boyd and Sheldon Clark and if Sheldon Clark hadn't sustained a couple of injuries early they probably beat Ashland also.

Now Johnson Central on the other hand is having a special year and why not. You don't spend and extra year or two in grade school to finish 2nd in your high school football district.

Idk how you say the Greenup or Ironton wins were lucky since they won by multiple scores. Actually the Boyd game was closer than Greenup. The raceland game we made the play when they didn't. That's not luck either. They aren't the dominant team of the past few years but they are more than just lucky.

[FBALL]

Idk how you say the Greenup or Ironton wins were lucky since they won by multiple scores. Actually the Boyd game was closer than Greenup. The raceland game we made the play when they didn't. That's not luck either. They aren't the dominant team of the past few years but they are more than just lucky.

Sarcasm

[armyfootball#1]

Ok, I'm going to open this up for discussion. How many kids from JC that are in grades 7-12 have actually been held back during their school yrs. Let me say this before anyone bashes me. I do not have a favorite team even in the mix. Just curious as to what everyone in eastern ky has been saying about JC. So I am not making excuses or "whining, crying" about losing. I actually don't see a problem with it, but only if the kid is going to be 13 as a freshman. So with that being said, what are the facts. If it is a high number I am sure you all would agree that a kid that would have been in college got extra yrs. in middle or grade school. Especially if you have several. Can't you at least see what people would think about being a huge advantage. I realize the KHSAA says as long as they do not turn 19 prior their senior year, they are legal. But my question is if you have several, it could be a huge advantage for the team. Facts and numbers please. Thanks and good luck with a great season.

[tomcatfan722000]

Sarcasm

I would hope so. But it didn't come through in writing.

[Allsports#1]

Well Greenup stopped Ashland on there first drive, then Greenup drives the ball down field and scored on Ashland. They went in at half time 14 to 6. This Greenup team has 11 starters out so this group that played were 9th and 10 graders. So my point is if they can do this to Ashland then JC can name the score and running clock.

[Truth]

It is good to see the passion on both sides concerning the upcoming game. As one who has no ties to or regard for either school, I look forward to the continued banter and the game itself. I will listen to the Ashland announcers Friday and expect a rather one-sided description of the game. However, that is to be expected. I personally think that Dicky Martin is a fine commentator although he is, and should be, a bit partisan.

So, all you guys who find this game to be more important than the national debt, go at it.

[WideRight05]

Is this like Jeopardy? The question, who are two teams that will never beat Highlands?

[Pulp Fiction]

Is this like Jeopardy? The question, who are two teams who will never beat Highlands?

Never is a long time my friend.

JC will beat Highlands.

[WideRight05]

Never is a long time my friend.

JC will beat Highlands.

:biglmao: I'm sure JC will "running clock" their way through the rest of the season, but I can't wait until we come down to the Eagles nest. It should only last a few minutes because that clock shall be running!

[Diogenes]

:biglmao: I'm sure JC will "running clock" their way through the rest of the season, but I can't wait until we come down to the Eagles nest. It should only last a few minutes because that clock shall be running!

Gonna be a long wait. Game's set to
be at Highlands this year...

[MtnHSFootballFan]

It very well could have been Hoot, I really don't remember that part.

But, for what it's worth, Johnson Central was really not that much different than most county schools in eastern Kentucky at that time. For many years it was usually only the city schools that served as their respective county seats that fielded football teams....Consolidation is the thing that can be attributed to football being what it is now in the mountains. Perhaps there were some, but I cant think of one single county school system that ever had a football team until the early to late 70's in eastern Kentucky.

I'll have to disagree with that statement. Floyd County had not only Prestonsburg but Wheelwright as far back as I can remember. (Wheelwright is now part of South Floyd.) Pike County had Belfry, Millard, Elkhorn City, at least 2 other schools that are now part of Pike County Central and maybe another team or two many years ago. Perry County had M. C. Napier and maybe another one or two. And Letcher County had Jenkins and Whitesburg. And that's just what I can think of right now. There may have been as many if not more county schools playing football in this area back then than city schools or county schools located in the county seat. Pike County skewed those numbers.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Never is a long time my friend.

JC will beat Highlands.

But, in this case, "never" will probably not be long enough for an eastern school to beat Fort Thomas.

[Bob Seger]

I'll have to disagree with that statement. Floyd County had not only Prestonsburg but Wheelwright as far back as I can remember. (Wheelwright is now part of South Floyd.) Pike County had Belfry, Millard, Elkhorn City, at least 2 other schools that are now part of Pike County Central and maybe another team or two many years ago. Perry County had M. C. Napier and maybe another one or two. And Letcher County had Jenkins and Whitesburg. And that's just what I can think of right now. There may have been as many if not more county schools playing football in this area back then than city schools or county schools located in the county seat. Pike County skewed those numbers.

But were those not all city schools, or what you would refer as coal camps, and were all independently governed?....I think at one time, Van Lear may have had a team as well, but at that time Van Lear was a bigger city than Paintsville. When Johnson Co. consolidated I don't think they had a team then though. I would feel save in saying too that Wheelwright, in it's heyday may have had a larger population than Prestonsburg too. Granted perhaps not all were at the location of their county seat, (I said usually) but I think you can see where I was coming from.......As an example, in Floyd Co. did Maytown, McDowell, Garrett, Martin, or Wayland have teams? In Johnson Co., did Oil Springs, Flat Gap, or Meade Memorial have teams? In Martin Co., did Inez or Warfield have teams? Did Salyersville have a team?.....etc. My example is probably not 100% perfect, but everybody should be able to get my jest. I just think that it's a pretty fair statement though to say that consolidation lead to most county schools developing programs here in the mountains. Heck, even right now, I can think of Elliot, Menifee, Lee, Owsley, and Wolfe counties that are in this area that still don't have teams.

[MtnHSFootballFan]

But were those not all city schools, or what you would refer as coal camps, and were all independently governed?....I think at one time, Van Lear may have had a team as well, but at that time Van Lear was a bigger city than Paintsville. When Johnson Co. consolidated I don't think they had a team then though. I would feel save in saying too that Wheelwright, in it's heyday may have had a larger population than Prestonsburg too. Granted perhaps not all were at the location of their county seat, (I said usually) but I think you can see where I was coming from.......As an example, in Floyd Co. did Maytown, McDowell, Garrett, Martin, or Wayland have teams? In Johnson Co., did Oil Springs, Flat Gap, or Meade Memorial have teams? In Martin Co., did Inez or Warfield have teams? Did Salyersville have a team?.....etc. My example is probably not 100% perfect, but everybody should be able to get my jest. I just think that it's a pretty fair statement though to say that consolidation lead to most county schools developing programs here in the mountains. Heck, even right now, I can think of Elliot, Menifee, Lee, Owsley, and Wolfe counties that are in this area that still don't have teams.

You already lost your argument. You didn't say city schools. You described county seat schools. Edit: You said schools in cities that were the county seats.

[MtnHSFootballFan]

It very well could have been Hoot, I really don't remember that part.

But, for what it's worth, Johnson Central was really not that much different than most county schools in eastern Kentucky at that time. For many years it was usually only the city schools that served as their respective county seats that fielded football teams....Consolidation is the thing that can be attributed to football being what it is now in the mountains. Perhaps there were some, but I cant think of one single county school system that ever had a football team until the early to late 70's in eastern Kentucky.

This is a thing that can be attributed, but if you meant adding to the number of football teams that may not be true. It has added some where the original schools were non football schools but it has also contributed to the loss of football teams where the original schools were football playing schools. A fairly recent example is Harlan County. Three football playing schools (in alphabetical order), Cawood, Cumberland and Evarts combined into one school so this made a net loss of two high school football teams in Harlan County. Pike County lost several with the consolidations that made Pike County Central and East Ridge. I don't know how many total have been gained or lost altogether.

[Pulp Fiction]

Friday night can't come fast enough.