[T-CATS]

Also 2 from Ironton!!! Hoping this team comes together and puts in the work. As of now 75 upperclassmen 32 freshman. Wish all the teams in this area good luck and will pull for all unless your playing my CATS!!

[Scotty_Bronson]

Had a strong feeling that Yetts, Brown, and possibly Some others might find their way to Putnam stadium. Brown's addition to Long and Baker makes Ashland's offense extremely fast. Brown is probably a better reciever than a rb. Either way, Ashland is goina have alot of speed.

[mightydog]

You won't hear a word from tricky dicky. As long as they're transferring into kitty land its all good. What a hypocrite.

[Scotty_Bronson]

^^^^bahahahaha.

I think Ashland's goina be rather good this year. They have the ability to be a little more balanced this year. Brown can be a big factor in the recieving game and on the defensive side of the ball. Baker is Baker and Long allows Baker to get a break and stay healthy. Will will know just what Ashland is made of week 1 and 2 when they have NCC then Raceland. The Raceland game should be close for a half, but I think Ashland has too much depth this year for Raceland to keep up with. If Raceland pulls out a win against Ashland, it could mean big things for the Rams this year. Man Im just wishing it was mid August already!

[Club17]

I don't think Brown is going to be able to play, didn't he just get arrested or something?

[scrappy coco]

pray for the young brown kid. also they have another that was enrolled there that was with mr brown during his robbery. also pray for him

[Scotty_Bronson]

I heard about Brown today. Hate to hear that. So many kids with such bright futures end up going down the wrong path. Hope he can get his life turned around.

[Talon]

Had a strong feeling that Yetts, Brown, and possibly Some others might find their way to Putnam stadium. Brown's addition to Long and Baker makes Ashland's offense extremely fast. Brown is probably a better reciever than a rb. Either way, Ashland is goina have alot of speed.

Doubt Brown will play a down , he has been charged with armed robbery. Yetts had to move to Michigan , thats the only reason he left Fairview

[Scotty_Bronson]

Hate to hear about that. Hate seeing a kid with so much potential head down that path. Sadly, it seems to be the norm.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

This fiasco after the failed experiment with Dixson and his Illinois cousin indicates that you boys aren't screening your recruits very well. As we have been discussing, years ago, Ashland had a fine tradition. Since modern times are lean, why destroy the image any further by recruiting thugs? I sure doesn't enhance your resume and the history of Ellis Johnson, Jimmy Anderson, Jay Rhodemyre, Harold Sergent, et als deserves better.

[Scotty_Bronson]

I know that Brown was looking to get back into the area. From what I hear, his family liked getting him out of huntington and liked the way the school shstems were around here. I doubgt that Ashland "recruited very heavily". A fairview kid ist going to go to Raceland. Former Raceland coach TJ Maynard is at Russell. I have a feeling Ashland was the families choice. It is what it is. Best of luck to Brown. He is a great athelete, hopefully he can turn his life around.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I know that Brown was looking to get back into the area. From what I hear, his family liked getting him out of huntington and liked the way the school shstems were around here. I doubgt that Ashland "recruited very heavily". A fairview kid ist going to go to Raceland. Former Raceland coach TJ Maynard is at Russell. I have a feeling Ashland was the families choice. It is what it is. Best of luck to Brown. He is a great athelete, hopefully he can turn his life around.

You could be right. I doubt that Ashland football recruited with the same fervor as it did in basketball. On the other hand, the KDMC bankroll isn't around anymore so, unless replacements have been found, the new arrivals will need to foot most of their own bills. That can damper your appeal. Nonetheless, as long as these families aren't being "enticed" by major subsidies (as in the recent past) , it shouldn't be a problem.

Recruiting is a regular practice for most every school and has been for many years. Some get punished and some get "overlooked". That is how it works.

[Scotty_Bronson]

I think its all in the "subsidies" you mentioned. Imo, there is a big difference in RECRUITING and getting a kid to transfer schools. Raceland has been accused of "recruiting" but i have to say, that to my knowledge, no tuition has ever been paid for a student by anyone other than that student or their parents. Im also pretty confident that everyone Raceland attained over the year were within the district or did things within the open enrollment agreement. Im sure its like this for other schools as well.

The fact of the matter remains that these are kids we r talking about. If my son comes to me and says "Dad, if I change from my current(school x) and transfer to this new school (school y), I have a greater opportunity to better myself for a college education and possibly a schollarship" FOR WHATEVER REASON, I would look into it. Things have to be done within the laws of the KHSAA and the childs best interest must be considered as well. I just think alot of times people instantly through the term RECRUITING around with jealous, jaded, and arbiturary anamosity, without looking at the facts. Are some guilty of actual recruiting? Of course. But many times its simply that the kid has friends in another school or their parents have ties to another school, and the kid moves. Just be ause a kid comes from somewhere else, doesnt necissarily mean that provisions were made by boosters, coaches, or board members to house a child for the soul betterment of an atheletic department. It does happen, but its not always the case.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I think its all in the "subsidies" you mentioned. Imo, there is a big difference in RECRUITING and getting a kid to transfer schools. Raceland has been accused of "recruiting" but i have to say, that to my knowledge, no tuition has ever been paid for a student by anyone other than that student or their parents. Im also pretty confident that everyone Raceland attained over the year were within the district or did things within the open enrollment agreement. Im sure its like this for other schools as well.

The fact of the matter remains that these are kids we r talking about. If my son comes to me and says "Dad, if I change from my current(school x) and transfer to this new school (school y), I have a greater opportunity to better myself for a college education and possibly a schollarship" FOR WHATEVER REASON, I would look into it. Things have to be done within the laws of the KHSAA and the childs best interest must be considered as well. I just think alot of times people instantly through the term RECRUITING around with jealous, jaded, and arbiturary anamosity, without looking at the facts. Are some guilty of actual recruiting? Of course. But many times its simply that the kid has friends in another school or their parents have ties to another school, and the kid moves. Just be ause a kid comes from somewhere else, doesnt necissarily mean that provisions were made by boosters, coaches, or board members to house a child for the soul betterment of an atheletic department. It does happen, but its not always the case.

You are putting a positive spin on the situation and are being, I believe, somewhat naive as to what has, is, and will continue to happen in high school sports- quite often in this district and region.

The rules for transfer are explicit in the KHSAA By-Laws. If those rules are indiscriminately applied to all schools, there is no problem- and a lot of these wholesale "relocations" wouldn't be taking place. However, the KHSAA does not enforce its rules indiscriminately. While all schools are said to be equal, some appear to be treated more equally than others.

Do we have schools in this area who have committed as many or more infractions than Fairview? Probably. Would they be punished as was Fairview? Not likely.

As Lefty Driesell, the old college coach, once said, "The NCAA was so mad at the tactics of Kentucky's basketball program that it put Cleveland State on probation for three years." That tends to be how it works.

[Scotty_Bronson]

Im not naive. I know what goes on in most situations. I always tr to get all of the facts before I start dragging names through the dirt. Not accusing you of doing so. I just get tired of the same old argument. Fairview didnt get sanctioned due to transfer violations. They were sanctioned due to player eligibility violations. If a kids parents want to move their kid, and do so either by relocation of their address or paying the tuition, let the kid play. But imo, every transfer of a student/athelete needs to be reviewed in depth. Which is something that is rarely done.

[DevilWatcher]

I think if anyone should have any gripe in our area with transfers it would be Greenup and possibly Boyd. Greenup has been raped the past decade of players and Boyed has lost a few to. I do know a tad bit of shady things go around but to go public only really hurts the kids. I say if it's legal and makes the kids happy then transfer away. Lol

[Scotty_Bronson]

I agree with u Watcher. Greenup has lost alot of kids, but its been caused by alot of their own doing. It all started when they renovated to football field. They spent ALOT of money on the field, then the next year they revamped the baseball field. The following year, they didntha enough books for the students and many kids simply had copies of pages. That started the downward spiral for them scholastically. I dont think the new agreement will chage much. If people dont want their kids at Greenup, they will either have to move or pay tuition. Imo, many of them will end up doing 1 of the 2.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Im not naive. I know what goes on in most situations. I always tr to get all of the facts before I start dragging names through the dirt. Not accusing you of doing so. I just get tired of the same old argument. Fairview didnt get sanctioned due to transfer violations. They were sanctioned due to player eligibility violations. If a kids parents want to move their kid, and do so either by relocation of their address or paying the tuition, let the kid play. But imo, every transfer of a student/athelete needs to be reviewed in depth. Which is something that is rarely done.

It is admirable for anyone to get all the facts before forming an opinion. However, the fact is that "all the facts" are never known to anyone, including the KHSAA and the Daily Independent, other than to those directly involved. And, most of them are careful enough to keep reasonably quiet. But, I agree that the KHSAA should investigate thoroughly and treat all schools the same. Only a fool believes that that is the case at present or that it has been the case for many years.

[T-CATS]

KSR did a story with Stoops he said they are recruiting Baker heavily but so are some others!!

[Coupon21]

I agree with u Watcher. Greenup has lost alot of kids, but its been caused by alot of their own doing. It all started when they renovated to football field. They spent ALOT of money on the field, then the next year they revamped the baseball field. The following year, they didntha enough books for the students and many kids simply had copies of pages. That started the downward spiral for them scholastically. I dont think the new agreement will chage much. If people dont want their kids at Greenup, they will either have to move or pay tuition. Imo, many of them will end up doing 1 of the 2.

This post is totally untrue. The renovations to the sports complex's came from a construction grant that could only be used for construction. GC never had a problem with not enough books. Not to mention your time frame for all of this is way off. This is the kind of garbage that gets talked about that makes GC look bad and is totally false. Please know what your talking about before you slam a school.

[DevilWatcher]

I believe what Scotty is saying is true in some aspect just might be off in the years. I do know that after McPeek moved on he left them in a lot of debt in spending in their sports program. Maybe that's the renovation that he is talking about. I do believe the reciprocal will keep most of the kids at Greenup in the future. Maybe not all but the majority.

[T-CATS]

Greenup Co has problems with kids wanting to play but living so far from the school and riding the bus that it's impossible for some of them to play. They have some of the longest bus routes in the state. Q Baker will probably end up being the fastest to every play at Ashland but they have had a lot of speed players through the years.

[Scotty_Bronson]

This post is totally untrue. The renovations to the sports complex's came from a construction grant that could only be used for construction. GC never had a problem with not enough books. Not to mention your time frame for all of this is way off. This is the kind of garbage that gets talked about that makes GC look bad and is totally false. Please know what your talking about before you slam a school.

I never set out to make GC look bad. FACTS are, when the renovation of the football field was complete, the following school year, my cousins and several others did not have history or math books, but copies of the bages instead. I was told by family that the reason was due to a lack of funding and that the school was struggling financially. Those were the facts I got. Dont accuse me of belittling or downing any school from our area, bc I want nothing but the best for all area programs. One area school goes bad, others may benefit for awhile, but its only a matter of time before the others begin to fall as well. Therefor, nothing good can come of area schools falling apart. Our schools need one another, competition is healthy. Im not downing anyone, stating the facts as i know them.

[Coupon21]

I never set out to make GC look bad. FACTS are, when the renovation of the football field was complete, the following school year, my cousins and several others did not have history or math books, but copies of the bages instead. I was told by family that the reason was due to a lack of funding and that the school was struggling financially. Those were the facts I got. Dont accuse me of belittling or downing any school from our area, bc I want nothing but the best for all area programs. One area school goes bad, others may benefit for awhile, but its only a matter of time before the others begin to fall as well. Therefor, nothing good can come of area schools falling apart. Our schools need one another, competition is healthy. Im not downing anyone, stating the facts as i know them.

The "facts" you got were wrong. That is the problem. GC recieved a contruction grant that could only be used for "new" contstuction. The school had been remodeled, soccer field built, tennis court and many other projects. Football field and locker room had nothing done to them since 1974 when it was built. The money from the grant could not be used for books or anything else. If people would care enough to go to BOE meeting and find out the real facts instead of making assumptions about lack of funding, things like this would never get started. Whether it was your intention or not, when you posted your "facts" it most certainly made a local school sound bad.

[Coupon21]

I never set out to make GC look bad. FACTS are, when the renovation of the football field was complete, the following school year, my cousins and several others did not have history or math books, but copies of the bages instead. I was told by family that the reason was due to a lack of funding and that the school was struggling financially. Those were the facts I got. Dont accuse me of belittling or downing any school from our area, bc I want nothing but the best for all area programs. One area school goes bad, others may benefit for awhile, but its only a matter of time before the others begin to fall as well. Therefor, nothing good can come of area schools falling apart. Our schools need one another, competition is healthy. Im not downing anyone, stating the facts as i know them.

I believe what Scotty is saying is true in some aspect just might be off in the years. I do know that after McPeek moved on he left them in a lot of debt in spending in their sports program. Maybe that's the renovation that he is talking about. I do believe the reciprocal will keep most of the kids at Greenup in the future. Maybe not all but the majority.

The renovation happened in 2010. Mcpeek left 10+ years before that, but you are correct about the boosters being way in the red when he left. The two things werent related.

[Scotty_Bronson]

I was refering to when the scoreboard and track were revamped. Would have been back in 05 when Maynard was there. I was just stating that Greenups lack of kids playing football and the losing of students wasnt bc they were being recruited away from the school. It was bc people were simply unhappy with the way things were being run in Greenup County. I heard that from countless people that brought their kids to Raceland or took them to Russell.

[MrBWesley]

I wish Ashland the best. Would love to see them knock Highlands off, just not gonna happen. Should get the win over New Cath this season. Based upon what i have heard is going on with the roster, doesnt sound as if the team will be very competitive out of district for the Breds. Ashland by 24 this year.

[Scotty_Bronson]

If Ashland has the speed upfront, thy may suprise Highlands. Baker snd Long could be one of the most tallented backfields in the state. Both catch the ball well and could line up at WR or in the slot. If Prince has developed as better pocket passer, that adds another wrinkle as well. NCC is NCC. The cupboard is never bare. I think Ashland tskes that game as well, but I doubt it's a blow out. You can give Ashland 14 pts at Putnam. Its just one of thise things, they are hard to beat at home. They have a good schedule to prepare them for highlands as well. If the weakest team you play in your non-district schedule is Raceland(should beat the Rams, but its always a rough game), then your schedule is legit. NCC, Raceland, and GW within the first few weeks of the season. Then Ironton, Johnson Central, and Russell in the last half, thats a stout schedule. If they stay healthy, I like Ashland's chaces at a deep playoff run. Cov Cath and Highlands are the class of the region though, goina be hard to get past them.

[DevilWatcher]

I think Coupon does have somewhat of a point to some extent. I don't think it's any one thing but a mixture of things. Financial troubles there also occured with the guy they brought in (I wanna say superintendent) from Lewis county but was unrelated to the sports programs. Kids do get recruited from Greenup though. I've had relatives who played for Greenup. It happens everywhere I'm just saying Greenup has been hot pretty good is all.

[Club17]

I really hope Prince has devolved some. It would be a shame to have all that speed and no way to get it to them. Has anyone seen them practice? How is the offensive line looking? I think that will be what makes or breaks this team.