[oneijoe]

I think I agree...and would add CAL (#3) into that, too. The western half of 2A has 3 really great teams this year !!


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duh... you already included CAL, obviously. (I'm having a bad brain day)

[4ever witness]

1 Caldwell Co
2 Desales
3 CAL
4 Owensboro Cath
5 Murry
6 Prestonburg
7 Leslie County
8 Ncc
9Bradstown
10 Danville

[KYHSFBFan]

I don't buy the theory that 5 1a teams could beat the #1 team in 2a. Desales is likely head and shoulders over any of the 1a teams. Caldwell and CAL are also teams that'd be hard to beat. In saying that, I do think Pikeville and Mayfield would be top 5 teams in 2a and Beechwood and W'Burg would easily be in the Top 10 and Raceland could make a case for Top 10, as well.. If I were to rank the 1a and 2a teams together, I'd rank them something like this:

1) Desales
2) Caldwell Co
3) Pikeville
4) Mayfield
5) CAL
6) Prestonsburg
7) OB Catholic
8) Williamsburg
9) Murray
10) Beechwood

[Blacksmith]

Prestonsburg was missing some key players in the Valley game. Starting Center Goodman, DB/WR Marcum, and LB/RB Ousley who leads the team in tackles.
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Not to change the subject but I talked to James D. Friday day before the game and he said he hoped to have some players back after the break..Though that's as far as the football conversation went..We'er just buddies from school and I didn't want to pester him with football talk..

[KY Headhunter]

Pburg in my opinion has been very impressive over past few weeks with road wins at Hazard and Valley with couple key players out. Blackcats may be the 5th best team in 2A but those teams above them all have to slug it out for the trip to Bowling Green while the Blackcats in my opinion have an easier road. Once you get to the finals anything can happen and the best team doesnt always win.

[WideRight05]

How can NewCath be in the top 10? Don't they only have one win?

[Football fan 0]

Thanks for giving Valley a little love .

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Not to change the subject but I talked to James D. Friday day before the game and he said he hoped to have some players back after the break..Though that's as far as the football conversation went..We'er just buddies from school and I didn't want to pester him with football talk..

That is great news.

Pburg in my opinion has been very impressive over past few weeks with road wins at Hazard and Valley with couple key players out. Blackcats may be the 5th best team in 2A but those teams above them all have to slug it out for the trip to Bowling Green while the Blackcats in my opinion have an easier road. Once you get to the finals anything can happen and the best team doesnt always win.

I agree Prestonsburg has an easier road to the semi final, but they still have to win those games to get there.

Desales will be a beast to handle for anyone who gets a chance to play them.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

Where are you EKU?? I am going to keep bumping this up until you respond to post #7 & #16. nicker:

[EKUAlum05]

So you moved Shelby Valley up (which I don't have a problem with) because they played the team dropping in your rankings (Prestonsburg) a close game. You moved Danville up because they had a 1 point win at home to Garrard County in week 2 who beat Bourbon in week 7 which is your #9 team in 3A.

Prestonsburg's only loss game on the road in the final seconds by 1 point to the team you have ranked #1 in East KY, #2 in 1A, who beat your #1 team in #3A for there only loss.

Well still don't make sense EKU. :eyeroll:

You are correct.

As I said 2A is a crapshoot beyond #5. Pburg has not progressed in my mind like Pikeville has since Week 1. In fact judging by the hard fought wins against Pike Central and Shelby Valley... it almost feels like Pburg has leveled off. That may be due to injuries or a number of things but they simply are not making a major step forward like you would want to see. Let's call it like it is... Pike Central and Shelby Valley are at best "decent" teams and Pburg had to scrape and claw to win both games. Maybe this is PBrg's M.O. to play to the level of their competition...but neither win was very impressive in my mind.

Right now there are about 4 or 5 teams that I consider a tossup...but I am going to give Danville the edge right now in my mind. Throw away all the "This team beat that team who beat that team who beat that team" or "This team lost to this team by this much but that team lost by that much" and what I simply see is Danville's win over Garrard is better than Pburg's win over Hazard.

I openly stated that a lot of it has to do with SV and Pike Central. I have followed the Pike County teams for years and know this is far from the best Pike Central team I have seen...in fact they are not even as good as last year. This is a better SV team, but they are not a team that should be considered a threat for a Regional Title let alone potentially a trip to Bowling Green. To be ranked as the best team in the Eastern Semi-State suggests that team is the most likely team to win their region and win their Semi-Finals and right now based off their wins I don't think Pburg has the best case for that.

Big picture Pburg's loss to Pikeville is the best thing on their resume... no offense but a good loss should never equal a good win.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

You are correct.

As I said 2A is a crapshoot beyond #5. Pburg has not progressed in my mind like Pikeville has since Week 1. In fact judging by the hard fought wins against Pike Central and Shelby Valley... it almost feels like Pburg has leveled off. That may be due to injuries or a number of things but they simply are not making a major step forward like you would want to see. Let's call it like it is... Pike Central and Shelby Valley are at best "decent" teams and Pburg had to scrape and claw to win both games. Maybe this is PBrg's M.O. to play to the level of their competition...but neither win was very impressive in my mind.

Right now there are about 4 or 5 teams that I consider a tossup...but I am going to give Danville the edge right now in my mind. Throw away all the "This team beat that team who beat that team who beat that team" or "This team lost to this team by this much but that team lost by that much" and what I simply see is Danville's win over Garrard is better than Pburg's win over Hazard.

I openly stated that a lot of it has to do with SV and Pike Central. I have followed the Pike County teams for years and know this is far from the best Pike Central team I have seen...in fact they are not even as good as last year. This is a better SV team, but they are not a team that should be considered a threat for a Regional Title let alone potentially a trip to Bowling Green. To be ranked as the best team in the Eastern Semi-State suggests that team is the most likely team to win their region and win their Semi-Finals and right now based off their wins I don't think Pburg has the best case for that.

Big picture Pburg's loss to Pikeville is the best thing on their resume... no offense but a good loss should never equal a good win.

But that is exactly the reasoning you gave for Shelby Valley. :eyeroll:

You are also stating that Prestonsburg basically didn't win by enough against Shelby Valley nor Pike Central is the reason you slid them down in your rankings yet Danville pulls out a 2 point win over a horrible (for their standards) Somerset team and they move up. You are contradicting yourself EKU.

[pjdoug]

Where are you EKU?? I am going to keep bumping this up until you respond to post #7 & #16. nicker:

:thatsfunn

[pjdoug]

You are correct.

As I said 2A is a crapshoot beyond #5. Pburg has not progressed in my mind like Pikeville has since Week 1. In fact judging by the hard fought wins against Pike Central and Shelby Valley... it almost feels like Pburg has leveled off. That may be due to injuries or a number of things but they simply are not making a major step forward like you would want to see. Let's call it like it is... Pike Central and Shelby Valley are at best "decent" teams and Pburg had to scrape and claw to win both games. Maybe this is PBrg's M.O. to play to the level of their competition...but neither win was very impressive in my mind.

Right now there are about 4 or 5 teams that I consider a tossup...but I am going to give Danville the edge right now in my mind. Throw away all the "This team beat that team who beat that team who beat that team" or "This team lost to this team by this much but that team lost by that much" and what I simply see is Danville's win over Garrard is better than Pburg's win over Hazard.

I openly stated that a lot of it has to do with SV and Pike Central. I have followed the Pike County teams for years and know this is far from the best Pike Central team I have seen...in fact they are not even as good as last year. This is a better SV team, but they are not a team that should be considered a threat for a Regional Title let alone potentially a trip to Bowling Green. To be ranked as the best team in the Eastern Semi-State suggests that team is the most likely team to win their region and win their Semi-Finals and right now based off their wins I don't think Pburg has the best case for that.

Big picture Pburg's loss to Pikeville is the best thing on their resume... no offense but a good loss should never equal a good win.

and a good loss by Belfry to Pikeville should never equal a number one ranking.

[pjdoug]

But that is exactly the reasoning you gave for Shelby Valley. :eyeroll:

You are also stating that Prestonsburg basically didn't win by enough against Shelby Valley nor Pike Central is the reason you slid them down in your rankings yet Danville pulls out a 2 point win over a horrible (for their standards) Somerset team and they move up. You are contradicting yourself EKU.

I agree. Go Blackcats! :Cheerlead

[EKUAlum05]

But that is exactly the reasoning you gave for Shelby Valley. :eyeroll:

You are also stating that Prestonsburg basically didn't win by enough against Shelby Valley nor Pike Central is the reason you slid them down in your rankings yet Danville pulls out a 2 point win over a horrible (for their standards) Somerset team and they move up. You are contradicting yourself EKU.

That horrible Somerset team also proved themselves as a near equal to Pike Central that Pburg clawed to defeat the same weekend Pburg had their signature loss to Pikeville.

As I said I don't think you are understanding me when I say that after #5 it is a TOSSUP. I am not a fan of doing 6a, 6b, 6c but outside of that disaster of class known as 5A this is the only class I see a cluster of teams that are stacked on each other.

Danville will have their mettle tested to close out the season (@ Middlebsoro, @ Frankfort, LCA). If they are deserving of their rank they will finish 3-0 with at least one statement win out of those three. Pburg will have a chance against Lawrence County to finally show they can beat a decent team badly.

As of now Danville's best win is more impressive than Pburgs.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

and a good loss by Belfry to Pikeville should never equal a number one ranking.

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[EKUAlum05]

and a good loss by Belfry to Pikeville should never equal a number one ranking.

LOL and no good wins should never equal a #1 ranking over a team with 3 good wins.

[pjdoug]

LOL and no good wins should never equal a #1 ranking over a team with 3 good wins.

What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander :dontthink

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

That horrible Somerset team also proved themselves as a near equal to Pike Central that Pburg clawed to defeat the same weekend Pburg had their signature loss to Pikeville.

As I said I don't think you are understanding me when I say that after #5 it is a TOSSUP. I am not a fan of doing 6a, 6b, 6c but outside of that disaster of class known as 5A this is the only class I see a cluster of teams that are stacked on each other.

Danville will have their mettle tested to close out the season (@ Middlebsoro, @ Frankfort, LCA). If they are deserving of their rank they will finish 3-0 with at least one statement win out of those three. Pburg will have a chance against Lawrence County to finally show they can beat a decent team badly.

As of now Danville's best win is more impressive than Pburgs.

If you watched that game you would not make that statement. If not for a bad fumble call on an incomplete pass that Somerset ran back to Pike Centrals 7 and scored this would have been a 3 score game. That ball was thrown 2 yards forward and not a fumble. It should have been ruled an incomplete pass.

[EKUAlum05]

If you watched that game you would not make that statement. If not for a bad fumble call on an incomplete pass that Somerset ran back to Pike Centrals 7 and scored this would have been a 3 score game. That ball was thrown 2 yards forward and not a fumble. It should have been ruled an incomplete pass.

I did watch the game.

[EKUAlum05]

What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander :dontthink

I think South Warren is the perfect set of coat tails for you to ride to try and troll. With their weak schedule you should at least get 5 weeks of consecutive wins.

nicker:

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

I did watch the game.

Then you should know those 2 teams was far from equal.

[EKUAlum05]

Then you should know those 2 teams was far from equal.

They were much more equal than you are giving credit for.

Pike Central capitalized on Somerset turnovers early on and two horrible busted coverages to take a big early lead. Somerset moved it at will all game and finally made needed adjustments and then outplayed PC in the 3rd Quarter to come all the way back and take the lead, then both teams traded big blows.

It was 20-7 at the Half. The 2nd Half was 27-25 Somerset.

[pjdoug]

I think South Warren is the perfect set of coat tails for you to ride to try and troll. With their weak schedule you should at least get 5 weeks of consecutive wins.

nicker:

anytime somebody doesn't agree with you, you use that lame coat tails excuse. I stick with one team win or lose,but I also live in reality.if 2A Prestonsburg drops in rankings after losing to 1A Pikeville then 3A Belfry definitely should drop in the rankings too.

[oneijoe]

Thanks for giving Valley a little love .

They've earned it. SV is building a respectable program and I look forward to seeing it continue.


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[EKUAlum05]

anytime somebody doesn't agree with you, you use that lame coat tails excuse. I stick with one team win or lose,but I also live in reality.if 2A Prestonsburg drops in rankings after losing to 1A Pikeville then 3A Belfry definitely should drop in the rankings too.

You are mistaking me with the wrong person. I think I have a pretty good track record on here of being realistic and putting bias aside. In fact BCF even admitted that this is one of the rare times he even wants to call em to task and I respect that.

Pburg never dropped in rankings for losing to Pikeville. That's not even what BCF and I are debating. Try to keep up. We are debating the merit of whether a good win offsets the merits of a good loss. We are pretty deeply debating what makes quality wins. Never once has the premise of punishing a team for a loss has even been part of what we are saying.


I use the coat tail thing with you as a joke in response to your trolling. Each week you pick someone to cheer for against Belfry, each week I call you a coat tail rider. Embrace it. I am simply having fun with you which is a sign of respect because your diligence to troll makes me laugh each week. It's akin to me responding to WideRight when he trolls with a response of "Collins".

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

You are mistaking me with the wrong person. I think I have a pretty good track record on here of being realistic and putting bias aside. In fact BCF even admitted that this is one of the rare times he even wants to call em to task and I respect that.

Pburg never dropped in rankings for losing to Pikeville. That's not even what BCF and I are debating. Try to keep up. We are debating the merit of whether a good win offsets the merits of a good loss. We are pretty deeply debating what makes quality wins. Never once has the premise of punishing a team for a loss has even been part of what we are saying.


I use the coat tail thing with you as a joke in response to your trolling. Each week you pick someone to cheer for against Belfry, each week I call you a coat tail rider. Embrace it. I am simply having fun with you which is a sign of respect because your diligence to troll makes me laugh each week. It's akin to me responding to WideRight when he trolls with a response of "Collins".

Yeah pjdoug. He only punishes them if they don't win by enough, but rewards a close lose to anyone not named Prestonsburg. nicker:

Keep up now. Let me refresh you on what he is saying (contradicting himself). He is saying Somerset and Pike Central are equal. Prestonsburg beat Pike Central by 9 points (which was not enough) and Danville beat Somerset by 2 (which is enough because they are not Prestonsburg) and that is why Danville leaped above Prestonsburg in the rankings. :eyeroll:

[EKUAlum05]

Yeah pjdoug. He only punishes them if they don't win by enough, but rewards a close lose to anyone not named Prestonsburg. nicker:

Keep up now. Let me refresh you on what he is saying (contradicting himself). He is saying Somerset and Pike Central are equal. Prestonsburg beat Pike Central by 9 points (which was not enough) and Danville beat Somerset by 2 (which is enough because they are not Prestonsburg) and that is why Danville leaped above Prestonsburg in the rankings. :eyeroll:

HAHA... that's only part of it as I split hairs.

My bigger argument which I continue to state and you continue to try to avoid is:
Danville's best win is Garrard County
Pburg's best win is Hazard

Garrard County is a better team and better win than Hazard which is what seperates two teams that are pretty much even in my eyes right now.

Now you conveniently try to avoid this argument..you are more concerned with "Pburg beat this team, but this team beat this team, but that team lost to that team".

Who has Pburg beat.. head to head...that you feel would defeat Garrard County?

[EKUAlum05]

Now for you pjdoug...

So you agree with my rankings for 2A, correct?

Based off your reasoning Pburg should be ranked behind Danville, correct? Pburg lost to a 1A team...while Danville's losses came while playing up against a 3A and 4A team.

I don't agree with this logic but do want to see if you agree Danville is better than Pburg.

[#1 Blackcat Fan]

HAHA... that's only part of it as I split hairs.

My bigger argument which I continue to state and you continue to try to avoid is:
Danville's best win is Garrard County
Pburg's best win is Hazard

I am not avoiding it. I feel you are wrong about Garrard County and Bourbon both. I don't feel they are as good as YOU advertise. Who has either of them beaten?



Garrard County is a better team and better win than Hazard which is what seperates two teams that are pretty much even in my eyes right now.

Now you conveniently try to avoid this argument..you are more concerned with "Pburg beat this team, but this team beat this team, but that team lost to that team".

I bring up those points because you are, but if you will read back you are contradicting yourself with your own argument.

Who has Pburg beat.. head to head...that you feel would defeat Garrard County?

Hazard and on their best night Shelby Valley. I really do not feel Garrard is as good of team as you think nor Bourbon for that matter.