[Allsports#1]

Greenup County coach Mullins going to Lexington Dunbar High School. Greenup Co. was looking at having one of there best season in years for 2016.

[anotherfootballnut]

Wow if this is true could be very bad for Greenup football starts in 4 months really late to be looking for a new head coach

[Scotty_Bronson]

I look for them to bire an enterim from within. May be the best option this close to spring workouts starting up. Imo they should keep everything as close to the same as they can.

[pjdoug]

Greenup County coach Mullins going to Lexington Dunbar High School. Greenup Co. was looking at having one of there best season in years for 2016.

looks like they could have to start over?

[Scotty_Bronson]

Imo, if they are smart they will keep things as close to how Mullins had them as possible. This should be the most tallented and well rounded GC jr/sr squads in the last 20 years. Hate to see it all go to waste bc a coach didnt get in their with enough time to lay out his system. Greenup is set to rebuild in 2018 any way. I say, give the job to an OC/DC, and begin searching for your new HC hire towards the end of next season. Never know, the enterim could turn into that hire. Who knows. Just hate it for the players this year.

[RAMDAD50]

What does it say about Dunbars program when you hire a coach that goes 13-40 in his 5 years at Greenup?Im not being a ass by asking this but damn.....things must be bad at Dunbar.I wish him the best.Greenup can't get out of its own way to put a successful program together. I feel bad for their kids.

[Iam4thecats]

What does it say about Dunbars program when you hire a coach that goes 13-40 in his 5 years at Greenup?Im not being a ass by asking this but damn.....things must be bad at Dunbar.I wish him the best.Greenup can't get out of its own way to put a successful program together. I feel bad for their kids.

You are being an ___ because by all accounts the Greenup people think he was a great coach and had turned the program in a better direction since he arrived. A coach that can get the most out of what he has will be fine anywhere.

[Coupon21]

Good showing by GC at the weight meet Saturday.

[RAMDAD50]

Let's try it this way.You are a Dunbar fan and you hear your school has hired a new coach.You look at his record and you see it's 13-40 over a five year span.What do you think then.Im not discrediting his person just the numbers .This is varsity sports we are talking about and they are measured in wins and losses . If you think they aren't then you are sadly mistaking.

[Iam4thecats]

Let's try it this way.You are a Dunbar fan and you hear your school has hired a new coach.You look at his record and you see it's 13-40 over a five year span.What do you think then.Im not discrediting his person just the numbers .This is varsity sports we are talking about and they are measured in wins and losses . If you think they aren't then you are sadly mistaking.

Well...
A. Neither you or I are Dunbar fans.
B. What was the teams record before he got it?
C. You are going out of your way to discredit someone.
D. Dunbar fans probably have the internet and can probably come on a message board and see Greenup fans praising their former coach and will soon be able to make up their own mind if they want to still be a Dunbar fan.

[Fly Like a Duck]

Let's try it this way.You are a Dunbar fan and you hear your school has hired a new coach.You look at his record and you see it's 13-40 over a five year span.What do you think then. Im not discrediting his person just the numbers .This is varsity sports we are talking about and they are measured in wins and losses . If you think they aren't then you are sadly mistaking.

Know anything about Ty Scroggins before he got the Central job? What about Kevin Wallace of BG before he got that job? Mack Brown and his first 5 years as a coach @ both Tulane/North Carolina?

I could make a longer list....what would you say about those guys, or do you know anything about those periods of time in their careers?

[RAMDAD50]

I'm not going out of my way to discredit anybody just wanted to talk about Dundars side of this.ive never heard a bad thing about coach Mullins.Like I said I'm just talking about W and L not his character.

[RAMDAD50]

Good point Fly Like A Duck

[Iam4thecats]

I'm not going out of my way to discredit anybody just wanted to talk about Dundars side of this.ive never heard a bad thing about coach Mullins.Like I said I'm just talking about W and L not his character.

I'm still trying to figure out if you really believe what you are saying. I never mentioned character either.
Raceland fan - goes on a Greenup thread- criticizes Dunbar coaches ability to coach- gets called out for going out of his way to criticize someone- denies attacking character which was never even said.
Are you being dishonest or do you not know what criticizing someone looks like? Either option is, well, unflattering.

[RAMDAD50]

I'm questioning the whole process.Was he the best candidate with a 13-40 lifetime record?
If so the whole state is in trouble when it comes to Quality football.I hope he wins every game he coaches.It seems to me you are to close to the situation to have a rational discussion about it.Why you have to make it a Raceland/Greenup thing is beond me.I guess that's my fault though for choosing the name that I did way back when.Hahaha
You can call me out all you want.Im not afraid to tell you or anybody what I think.

[0ff The Chain]

I don't think Greenup will be set back too much by this. Watching them play last year I was very impressed with how they played and by the quality of players they had. As long as someone doesn't come in and try to completely change things, I think Greenup can continue to build on what they have going. Played a lot of close games last year that was just a play or two away from being victories. Curious to see if they can make that push and turn heart breaking losses into wins.

[RAMDAD50]

I agree OTC..... They have played solid D the last three years

[Iam4thecats]

I'm questioning the whole process.Was he the best candidate with a 13-40 lifetime record?
If so the whole state is in trouble when it comes to Quality football.I hope he wins every game he coaches.It seems to me you are to close to the situation to have a rational discussion about it.Why you have to make it a Raceland/Greenup thing is beond me.I guess that's my fault though for choosing the name that I did way back when.Hahaha
You can call me out all you want.Im not afraid to tell you or anybody what I think.

It would just be nice if someone could get you to recognize that any win loss record at Greenup county has no correlation to whether a guy can actually coach football. That appears to be too high a level of thought process. The state is in trouble but its because fans like you think that re-building the dumpster fire that Greenup was in constitute a poor football coach.

[PHSForever]

Dunbar was and is in the middle of an almost decade long slide. Since 2010, their record was (I believe) 18-47. While Mullins has a losing record, he had fewer athletes to work with, and grew the program to respectability in terms of being competitive, getting better each year he was there from the standpoint of not only wins, but roster growth too. I believe had he stayed there, he would have them be an annually tough opponent to play. Going to Dunbar, with the access to facilities, roster numbers, athletes, etc. he will have them in the thick of things among the 6A schools soon. I'm not saying on par with Trinity or St. X (yet), but he will have them being a much better team. A family member of mine was part of the very first two Dunbar football teams when they opened the school, so I have a soft spot for them and hope he does well there.

[Fly Like a Duck]

I'm not going out of my way to discredit anybody just wanted to talk about Dundars side of this.ive never heard a bad thing about coach Mullins.Like I said I'm just talking about W and L not his character.

Something else that most don't realize (I've addressed this in other threads), but there are few head coaches out there that are moving around for jobs anymore.

If you go back and look at this years openings, the 50+ last year and the countless others from the previous few years...you just don't see them playing leap frog anymore. Coach Mullins will see a very significant pay raise for he and his family by going from Greenup to Fayette County (granted, the real estate in and around Fayette County will be much higher as well), but most of these places/jobs offer little to no financial incentives.

Different places. Different issues. SAME head aches.

Not that it matters, but I've heard from a very reliable source connected to the school that the job fell through the hands of a couple others before landing in Coach Mullins hands....which, that happens more times than not. Some get cold feet and 2nd guesses. Some get other positions. Some check these jobs out to see for themselves 1st hand and then withdraw after interviewing/researching the position. Some want the job and maybe the boss (wife- who also probably has a career herself, many times outside of education) feels it's not in the best interest to move (this plays more of a factor now than ever. )

You see a lot of these jobs opening, then you very seldom (at least these days) see that coach resurfacing.....they are either getting out of it altogether, end up staying an assistant and/or they move into administration..

And, I'm here to tell you....until something gives:

-Increased stipends, in particular Extended Day Pay (all coaches) for the the massive amount of time spent in the summer months with football these days. Last year for example, if your school started the day after Dead Period (July 10th)..they COMPLETED THREE FULL WEEKS of practice in July. There isn't a human being on this earth that God created who loves the game more than me...there just isn't, but there is nothing right about WEEKS IN JULY being the new pre-season fall camp for high school football. It's even worse that coaches aren't compensated for it (very few places have extended days anymore and hardly NONE have extended days for their assistants anymore. If they do have extended days, they jack the base stipend down even lower). Back in the day(s), "Extended Day" pay (which was for practice in those last few days of July/all of August until school started) was as sure as the sun rising.

-No increase in pay, yet it going back to the old days where the coaching staff tells the players on the last day of school "See you boys the last Monday in July or the 1st of August."

(Forget what you've heard. Those two things above are a HUGE reason why people are getting out of it. Stipends frozen and in some cases LESS than they were some 20-30 years ago, yet MORE time involved.)

......the mass exodus and very little moving from job to job isn't going to get any better (add the above to the whack job parents out there--look no further than the GREAT MAN, CHRISTIAN & COACH... Ray Graham, who is being railroaded out of the non football Mecca that is Rowan County--- and, very little to no administrative support = the state of coaches getting out faster than ever).

When it gets down to it, fans at 99% of the programs out there BETTER be happy with the willing and able MINDS, LEADERS, MEN that CHOOSE to still make this their career.

[0ff The Chain]

Something else that most don't realize (I've addressed this in other threads), but there are few head coaches out there that are moving around for jobs anymore.

If you go back and look at this years openings, the 50+ last year and the countless others from the previous few years...you just don't see them playing leap frog anymore. Coach Mullins will see a very significant pay raise for he and his family by going from Greenup to Fayette County (granted, the real estate in and around Fayette County will be much higher as well), but most of these places/jobs offer little to no financial incentives.

Different places. Different issues. SAME head aches.

Not that it matters, but I've heard from a very reliable source connected to the school that the job fell through the hands of a couple others before landing in Coach Mullins hands....which, that happens more times than not. Some get cold feet and 2nd guesses. Some get other positions. Some check these jobs out to see for themselves 1st hand and then withdraw after interviewing/researching the position. Some want the job and maybe the boss (wife- who also probably has a career herself, many times outside of education) feels it's not in the best interest to move (this plays more of a factor now than ever. )

You see a lot of these jobs opening, then you very seldom (at least these days) see that coach resurfacing.....they are either getting out of it altogether, end up staying an assistant and/or they move into administration..

And, I'm here to tell you....until something gives:

-Increased stipends, in particular Extended Day Pay (all coaches) for the the massive amount of time spent in the summer months with football these days. Last year for example, if your school started the day after Dead Period (July 10th)..they COMPLETED THREE FULL WEEKS of practice in July. There isn't a human being on this earth that God created who loves the game more than me...there just isn't, but there is nothing right about WEEKS IN JULY being the new pre-season fall camp for high school football. It's even worse that coaches aren't compensated for it (very few places have extended days anymore and hardly NONE have extended days for their assistants anymore. If they do have extended days, they jack the base stipend down even lower). Back in the day(s), "Extended Day" pay (which was for practice in those last few days of July/all of August until school started) was as sure as the sun rising.

-No increase in pay, yet it going back to the old days where the coaching staff tells the players on the last day of school "See you boys the last Monday in July or the 1st of August."

(Forget what you've heard. Those two things above are a HUGE reason why people are getting out of it. Stipends frozen and in some cases LESS than they were some 20-30 years ago, yet MORE time involved.)

......the mass exodus and very little moving from job to job isn't going to get any better (add the above to the whack job parents out there--look no further than the GREAT MAN, CHRISTIAN & COACH... Ray Graham, who is being railroaded out of the non football Mecca that is Rowan County--- and, very little to no administrative support = the state of coaches getting out faster than ever).

When it gets down to it, fans at 99% of the programs out there BETTER be happy with the willing and able MINDS, LEADERS, MEN that CHOOSE to still make this their career.

Excellent post. :Thumbs:

[pjdoug]

It would just be nice if someone could get you to recognize that any win loss record at Greenup county has no correlation to whether a guy can actually coach football. That appears to be too high a level of thought process. The state is in trouble but its because fans like you think that re-building the dumpster fire that Greenup was in constitute a poor football coach.

The coach is mediocre at best and will be mediocre at Dunbar. football in this state is weak,because people like you continually defending mediocre coaches nicker:

[anotherfootballnut]

Mullins tried to leave a couple years ago to be a assistant at Russell under TJ , he resigned at Greenup only to come back because Russell didn't hire him as a teacher so he wanted out of Greenup for some reason. To say it's about money is stupid I'm sure Russell wasn't gonna pay him more money to be a assistant

[Fly Like a Duck]

Mullins tried to leave a couple years ago to be a assistant at Russell under TJ , he resigned at Greenup only to come back because Russell didn't hire him as a teacher so he wanted out of Greenup for some reason. To say it's about money is stupid I'm sure Russell wasn't gonna pay him more money to be a assistant

I can't find the HC stipend on the Greenup County Schools website, but I did find their teaching salary schedule.

A teacher with 10 years experience at a Rank 1 Level makes $50, 682 this year.

To the contrast, a teacher with those same years and rank at Russell IND makes $58, 125.

Now, let's say Russell was going to pay him just $3K to be an asssitant...that comes out to be $61K+ in total package. So, UNLESS Greenup County's HC Stipend was $11K, then going to Russell IND as and ASSISTANT would have in fact been financially better for Coach Mullins. And, when you factor in the time/stress, etc. it would have been a MUCH better option.

For the record, a Rank 1 teacher with 10 years experience in Fayette County is at the $60, 581 (compared to that $50, 682 at Greenup) & I'm almost POSITIVE that the HC's stipend in Fayette County is $12, 500.

You can do the math........not knowing his HC sitpend at Greenup, but guessing (based off their salary schedule for teachers, I'd say the HC stipend is in that 6-8K range) by going to Fayette County he is getting a raise in the neighborhood of $15K; and, that's just HIM.

If he's married & his wife teaches in Greenup County, and going to Fayette County...throw another 10K increase in the mix.

But, you don't think Money is a reason why coaches are getting out and/or being very selective in the jobs they even remotely think about leaving for.....I'm assuming you've seen a unicorn in person before as well?

[GoHerd_22]

Mullins made right decision. Good luck to him, he is much better coach than people in area give him credit for.

[Keepnitreal]

Being a JC guy and playing them every year I can say that GC got better every year under his leadership and never quit even when behind. He got the very most out of his players and did an Outstanding job at Greenup. He will be successful anywhere he goes given the proper administrative support. Congratulations Coach!!!

[Steelermatt]

I can't find the HC stipend on the Greenup County Schools website, but I did find their teaching salary schedule.

A teacher with 10 years experience at a Rank 1 Level makes $50, 682 this year.

To the contrast, a teacher with those same years and rank at Russell IND makes $58, 125.

Now, let's say Russell was going to pay him just $3K to be an asssitant...that comes out to be $61K+ in total package. So, UNLESS Greenup County's HC Stipend was $11K, then going to Russell IND as and ASSISTANT would have in fact been financially better for Coach Mullins. And, when you factor in the time/stress, etc. it would have been a MUCH better option.

For the record, a Rank 1 teacher with 10 years experience in Fayette County is at the $60, 581 (compared to that $50, 682 at Greenup) & I'm almost POSITIVE that the HC's stipend in Fayette County is $12, 500.

You can do the math........not knowing his HC sitpend at Greenup, but guessing (based off their salary schedule for teachers, I'd say the HC stipend is in that 6-8K range) by going to Fayette County he is getting a raise in the [B]neighborhood of $15K[/B]; and, that's just HIM.

If he's married & his wife teaches in Greenup County, and going to Fayette County...throw another 10K increase in the mix.

But, you don't think Money is a reason why coaches are getting out and/or being very selective in the jobs they even remotely think about leaving for.....I'm assuming you've seen a unicorn in person before as well?

He's an excellent math teacher and there is a demand for those. I have heard it's at least that much of an increase and congrats to him. Hard to turn down that kind of increase. Raising his kids in the Lexington area was a factor. The ADI article pretty much tells their thinking on the decision. He's a good coach and given time he should do fine at Dunbar.

[anotherfootballnut]

I like Mullins and think he's done a great job at Greenup . for a HC to try and take a assistant job then two years later when he's gonna have the best team he's ever had at Greenup along with the fact Ashland will be down this year which means he would have a shot at winning the district then to take a job elsewhere call it what you want but he wanted the heck out of Greenup and if you don't believe that your kidding yourself

[bac2369]

What all did Greenup lose!??

[checkmate9113]

What does it say about Dunbars program when you hire a coach that goes 13-40 in his 5 years at Greenup?Im not being a ass by asking this but damn.....things must be bad at Dunbar.I wish him the best.Greenup can't get out of its own way to put a successful program together. I feel bad for their kids.

He turned a bottom feeder who was an easy 60-0 win into a threat and a team you didn't wanna play. The almighty Quinton Baker struggled against them.