[bucslover68]

What a joke. Trinity rpi tied for 31st best. I'll never believe there is 30 teams in the state of Kentucky that has played a tougher first 4 games than they have. Their schedule has been the toughest by far, and they went unbeaten doing it. No other team in this state would be 4-0 against that schedule with the possible exception being Male. I'm a Mayfield fan, and I think it's ridiculous that their rpi is higher than Trinity. Mayfield would have had a running clock put on them by Warren Central Indiana. Maybe in the 1st half. Guess Trinity should have played Pikeville schedule so they could get some respect.

Don't get ole Jet fired up or run him off lol. He still has to comment on the Belfry/Pikeville thread.

[RoShamBo]

One thing is obvious. "Eye Test" does not figure in to the RPI. All I know is you had better win or if you lose it better be to a really good team.

Starting in 2018-19, the formula will be as follows for all sports:
Each game RPI = GR*((0.35 × WP) + (0.35 × OWP) + (0.30 × OOWP))
Total RPI is summative
GR=Game Result. 1.0 for a win, .5 for a tie, 0 for a loss
WP=Winning Percentage of the Team being reviewed
OWP=Opponents Winning Percentage
OOWP=Opponents’ Opponents Winning Percentage

Unless I'm reading it wrong, quality of the opponent doesn't matter in a loss. Whether it's the Patriots or School for the Blind, a loss is a valued as a zero in the RPI.

[Panther Thunder]

This system is abysmal. There has to be a human element if you want to do this type of system.

This is what we get when the KHSAA doesn’t want to admit 6 classes is too many and distracts us with something that looks like it was thrown together in less than a day.

[BellMiddle]

All out-of state opponents will initially be handled in the following manner:
Their direct winning percentage (for example, .750) will count toward the formula, but each of their opponents will have a .500 winning percentage assigned.
Were this not the case, schools would be chasing tens of thousands of opponents of out-of-state opponents over the course of a season, and there is no way to ensure the accuracy of that data.
The .500 figure was selected because it is the average value of opponents’ opponents winning percentages across all sports.

Trinity and johnson central especially, you’re rpi is hurt now cause of this little bylaw. Their out of state competition is incredible but is hurting in this little ranking. Trinity right now is respectfully #1 in 6A and Johnson Central is at least top 2 or 3 in 4A.

[Redneck]

Attention Coaches, and parents for that matter. Tell your kids not to dwell on this garbage right here. Worry about your next game, do your job, win. Don’t smother out over this RPI. My dang nephew already messaged me wanting to know if their RPI rating was good... 🤦

[Real Badman]

do wut lol

[Iam4thecats]

The RPI is not a rating or a poll. It is a ranking. A set of standings. 6 more weeks of games will go in and then week 3 of the playoffs it will determine seeding and home field. Its a calculator math formula and FAR FAR more fair and more interesting than odd/even region and district.

[killbilly usmc]

The RPI is not a rating or a poll. It is a ranking. A set of standings. 6 more weeks of games will go in and then week 3 of the playoffs it will determine seeding and home field. Its a calculator math formula and FAR FAR more fair and more interesting than odd/even region and district.

The only fair ranking as you call it is something that takes into account margin of victory. Going off records only is dumb. If 2 teams played the same exact opponents in the regular season, both go 10-0 should they be ranked the same if 1 team won every game by 1 point, and the other team won every game with a 2nd quarter running clock. This rpi system would rank them the same. They will give us b.s. about not wanting opponents to run up the score, but it's just a load of crap. Any idiot can make a better formula than rpi. Make it to where if a team gets a running clock the final margin doesn't matter. Then no one runs up the score. You could base the points for the rating system by how much a team wins by. If they win by running clock, then you base there points by how long it took to get to running lock. If a team scores 36 and gets the running clock at the very end of 2nd quarter. You take 36 points divide by 24 minutes you get 1.5 points scored a minute. 1.5 times 48 minutes in a game is 72. That's the rate they was outscoring there opponent at. For the ratings purposes you give that team a 72 point margin of victory, even though they played 3rd string 2nd half, and ended up just winning by 30. You have a descent way to compare teams without hurting little Johnny feelings by leaving the starters in and putting up 80 points.

[EKUAlum05]

I have said it from the start and will continue to say it.

I don't mind the RPI for seeding if done properly.

Unfortunately, without a "power" component to this it is a VERY flawed system.

Take Martin County and LCA for the perfect example. Martin County has a higher RPI but LCA has scheduled exactly how you wish a team would.Both teams are 3-1:

Martin County has defeated 1A Phelps, 2A Betsy Layne, and 3A Magoffin County. They lost in a game they weren't overly competitive in to Harlan County.

LCA has defeated 4A Moore, 6A Madison Central, and a playoff team from Cincy. Their loss was to 3A Belfry in a game they competed throughout.

If LCA plays Martin County's schedule they are probably 4-0. If Martin County plays LCA's schedule they are 0-4.

There HAS TO BE a power component. Bonus points for playing up in class, bonus points for playing teams who advanced to the 3rd Round of the playoffs the year before, or some semblance of respect for margin of victory or margin of loss.

[EKUAlum05]

The only fair ranking as you call it is something that takes into account margin of victory. .

I don't disagree with what you are saying, but margin of victory or margin of loss is only part of the equation.

It can be fickle though and shouldn't mean everything. If it is a running clock win then it shouldn't matter if it is by 40 or by 70, it should count the same.

With that said, South Warren should not get the same exact RPI points for beating Franklin-Simpson by 27 as Meade County gets for beating them by 5.

[Iam4thecats]

I have said it from the start and will continue to say it.

I don't mind the RPI for seeding if done properly.

Unfortunately, without a "power" component to this it is a VERY flawed system.

Take Martin County and LCA for the perfect example. Martin County has a higher RPI but LCA has scheduled exactly how you wish a team would.Both teams are 3-1:

Martin County has defeated 1A Phelps, 2A Betsy Layne, and 3A Magoffin County. They lost in a game they weren't overly competitive in to Harlan County.

LCA has defeated 4A Moore, 6A Madison Central, and a playoff team from Cincy. Their loss was to 3A Belfry in a game they competed throughout.

If LCA plays Martin County's schedule they are probably 4-0. If Martin County plays LCA's schedule they are 0-4.

There HAS TO BE a power component. Bonus points for playing up in class, bonus points for playing teams who advanced to the 3rd Round of the playoffs the year before, or some semblance of respect for margin of victory or margin of loss.

I've said from day one on this that Ohios Harbin points are better than this and Calpreps is the gold standard. Right now i'm excited for this baby step.

[Iam4thecats]

The system is very flawed. (Thats why ncaa has discontinued use of it) But it is transparent and not based on luck which is what we had before.

[EKUAlum05]

The system is very flawed. (Thats why ncaa has discontinued use of it) But it is transparent and not based on luck which is what we had before.

I agree.

It is also worth noting that with any CPU Poll, it is designed to tighten the numbers with the more data entered.

I actually think the KHSAA made a bad PR decision by letting it get posted without at least getting to Week 6.

I think the end product will improve the playoff experience, but I can't help but feel this current RPI is a rushed system when they could have easily modeled it after other existing technology and came out better.

[Iam4thecats]

There is also some confusion on the out of state games. An out of state team gives you credit for their actual record. Its their opponents record that is calculated at .500.

[plantmanky]

Im curious where this RPI thing even came up. I have yet to find a HS coach that new anything about it until it was magically the new rule.

[Iam4thecats]

Im curious where this RPI thing even came up. I have yet to find a HS coach that new anything about it until it was magically the new rule.

Julian copied it from Colorado. I guess he discovered it at some commissioners meeting and then rammed it through without asking any football people. (He lies every time he says the KHSAA IS the member schools)

[Iam4thecats]

https://chsaanow.com/rpi/

Colorado does it for all sports.
Buckle up basketball.

[55RedDog]

Last year was probably the most competitive championship games across all classes then we change it up. Smh

[RoShamBo]

There is also some confusion on the out of state games. An out of state team gives you credit for their actual record. Its their opponents record that is calculated at .500.

Correct. Part of the confusion stems from the Herald Leader and Courier Journal claiming that out of state opponent's records would all be counted as .500 when they broke the news of the RPI formula.

But you've got it right. It is the OOWP, or Opponent's Opponent's Winning Percentage that is left at .500 across the board.

Even if OOWP were calculated exactly, you would likely only get a couple hundredths of a point variation in either direction.

[pjdoug]

sorry it’s hard to hear you from all the way down that rpi ranking .. this teams gonna be fine .. it’s going to be a long drive from West Virginia to log mountain if you don’t raise your rpi

:biglmao:

[2000PHS]

So as a Paintsville fan, since we lost to Pikeville do we hope we both win out and are the 1&2 ranked teams so if we face off it would be in Lexington and not in Pikeville?

[jetpilot]

What a joke. Trinity rpi tied for 31st best. I'll never believe there is 30 teams in the state of Kentucky that has played a tougher first 4 games than they have. Their schedule has been the toughest by far, and they went unbeaten doing it. No other team in this state would be 4-0 against that schedule with the possible exception being Male. I'm a Mayfield fan, and I think it's ridiculous that their rpi is higher than Trinity. Mayfield would have had a running clock put on them by Warren Central Indiana. Maybe in the 1st half. Guess Trinity should have played Pikeville schedule so they could get some respect.

People who don't know how RPI is figured in KY stick out like a sore thumb.nicker: Trinity has all the respect in the world, unfortunately respect isn't a component of the RPI calculation.

You should take a few minutes to find out how it is calculated. Trinity has played 4 out of state schools. I don't care if it was the top 4 HS teams in the country, Trinity would have a much higher RPI if they would have beat the top 4 Class A teams in KY.

[Panther Thunder]

So as a Paintsville fan, since we lost to Pikeville do we hope we both win out and are the 1&2 ranked teams so if we face off it would be in Lexington and not in Pikeville?

Correct. With the National Guard on call.

[EKUAlum05]

I really wish the KHSAA would have taken last year's regular season and modeled how the RPI rankings would have turned out as an example so we could have a gauge of what to expect and try to better decipher how different scheduling strategies translates.

[CarzyRock]

I'm not too bothered by Trinity's low ranking at the moment, since I feel like it will correct itself by the end of the season, but I am confused why OOWP has to be assumed at 0.5. Even if Calpreps isn't considered a trustworthy source for some reason, surely you could make a list of each out-of-state team you need info on and call their state Athletic Association for the info.

Also, rather than margin of victory I feel like the system really needs to consider the class size. I would understand not doing that for out-of-state OO because that would be a real pain to calculate that for dozens of teams that wouldn't otherwise be considered, but results should be weighted according to your own class and the class of who you play. A 1A team going 5-5 over all 6A opponents regardless of their records should have a higher RPI compared to a 6A that only schedule 1A teams with good records.

[pjdoug]

So as a Paintsville fan, since we lost to Pikeville do we hope we both win out and are the 1&2 ranked teams so if we face off it would be in Lexington and not in Pikeville?

You ain't going to Lexington so don't worry about it

[Redneck]

The RPI is not a rating or a poll. It is a ranking. A set of standings. 6 more weeks of games will go in and then week 3 of the playoffs it will determine seeding and home field. Its a calculator math formula and FAR FAR more fair and more interesting than odd/even region and district.

I’m sorry, let me apologize. Please forgive me for calling the “rating percentage index” a rating instead of a ranking. Thank you for clearing that up for me and the other idiots that have called it a rating 🙄

[killbilly usmc]

People who don't know how RPI is figured in KY stick out like a sore thumb.nicker: Trinity has all the respect in the world, unfortunately respect isn't a component of the RPI calculation.

You should take a few minutes to find out how it is calculated. Trinity has played 4 out of state schools. I don't care if it was the top 4 HS teams in the country, Trinity would have a much higher RPI if they would have beat the top 4 Class A teams in KY.

I'm well aware how it works. Just because I don't agree with this crap system doesn't mean I don't understand how it works. That's the whole point I think the way it is figured is a broken system. Not giving as much credit to out of state teams is dumb. Only going off winning percentages without considering margins of victory is dumb.
I'd take cal preps rankings over this rip system any day.

[single shot]

I'm fine with all this crap if it ends up being done fair...problem is it always ends up being another way for somebody with a little bit of power to stuff money in their pockets all the while making it a lot more difficult for them to be caught at it...

[Iam4thecats]

I’m sorry, let me apologize. Please forgive me for calling the “rating percentage index” a rating instead of a ranking. Thank you for clearing that up for me and the other idiots that have called it a rating 🙄

Since you don't like it but it does potentially have an effect on your team I just figured people would want to know what they are actually talking about because different words in the english language mean different things.