[ColtPride]

Just a follow up because I am still steamed and I rarely get that way on here. Attention private school blazer and plaid skirt minions. Not all schools have the luxury of selecting their students from families who can pay the astounding $14,434 annual tuition and fees to attend St. Francis DeSales High School or the other privates. At Tilghman and a lot of other public schools that serve urban areas, we take them all: rich, poor, smart, not smart, fast, slow, black, white, brown, college prep and voc-ed, special ed, ... doesn't matter. Public schools don't get to pick and choose or grant tuition waivers if you can play football. So to come on a public forum and start pointing fingers with no supporting evidence about "rogue" schools and "mass transfers," when the school you support gets to recruit and pick and choose who it wants to attend and draws its students from families of means ( or who meet the church tithing requirement), you obviously don't live in the real world but look out from a gated community. We may lose and we may win Friday but save us from the pithy, sanctimonious lectures. We'll be just fine.

Interesting you bring DeSales to the conversation. There are no tuition waivers, they don't exist. You also want to bring up the "R" word. I'm gonna say to you what I have always said to anyone else who tries to make excuses. If you have any evidence whatsoever, that DeSales, or any other Private school has done anything that can be construed as "R" then by all means report them to the KHSAA.

Our blazer's and minions look forward to Friday night.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Just a follow up because I am still steamed and I rarely get that way on here. Attention private school blazer and plaid skirt minions. Not all schools have the luxury of selecting their students from families who can pay the astounding $14,434 annual tuition and fees to attend St. Francis DeSales High School or the other privates. At Tilghman and a lot of other public schools that serve urban areas, we take them all: rich, poor, smart, not smart, fast, slow, black, white, brown, college prep and voc-ed, special ed, ... doesn't matter. Public schools don't get to pick and choose or grant tuition waivers if you can play football. So to come on a public forum and start pointing fingers with no supporting evidence about "rogue" schools and "mass transfers," when the school you support gets to recruit and pick and choose who it wants to attend and draws its students from families of means ( or who meet the church tithing requirement), you obviously don't live in the real world but look out from a gated community. We may lose and we may win Friday but save us from the pithy, sanctimonious lectures. We'll be just fine.

Who’s pointing fingers? I read on this board or on another that PT had picked up several transfers from McCracken Co. I never saw anyone argue or dispute the point....so I took it as true. Additionally....MANY on this site over the past several years have lamented the out of control environment that had surrounded the PT football program. I didn’t say the program was out of control currently....but that it’s recent past had been. Furthermore.....you can come off your frickin’ high horse and get a real grip on reality. I’m from a coal camp. Plain and simple. While I don’t reside there now.... I’m far from a gated community.😂😂😂 My kids go to poor public schools. So You need to be careful who you re lecturing. There are no gated communities or private schools in my past or future. BTW.....I made the comment that many of us in Central and eastern Ky don’t have the ability too see WKY football on a regular basis....\so we do rely on what we read online and on these forums.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

I don't believe Josey is connected to Desales in any way.

😂😂. You are correct 👍🏼👍🏼

[Jackson Purchase]

Rogue program well documented? Mass Transfers? What brought discipline was hiring Tilghman assistant principal Jon Smith as head coach. He is not a man to cross but also shows respect to players. There were no "mass transfers." We get a kid or two every now and then and we lose a kid to the county every now and then. Never en masse. Kids come Tilghman because of the disproportionate number of college football players they produce. A few pros also.

I was associated as a booster with the PT program for a few years. It was no more or less rogue than any other program. A few hotheads - players and coaches - have come and gone but no more than anywhere else. The booster meetings I went to had physicians, attorneys, businessmen and educators all figuring out how to sell popcorn and country hams like every other booster program. It all seemed about normal to me. I have seen multiple players miss games for poor grades or discipline incidents in the classroom. I have seen kids - one in the process of being recruited by an SEC school - kicked off the team for talking on a cell phone during practice.

It is better to know the facts than to repeat rumors.

Long Story short: There were MASS transfers. The former middle school football coach / High school wrestling coach at McCracken wanted the AD job at MCHS. People of power and influence (with kids in the middle school) wanted him to have it. (Big back story) Regardless he took the AD job at PTHS. 24 of 28 wrestlers (some played football) went from MCHS to PT. Even more 6/7 grade football players from the middle schools transferred. Last yr MCHS 7 and 8th graders came in 1st and 2nd in the State in football, respectively. This year that same group of 7th graders, now 8th got beat 50 to nothing by PMS. Nice to get "murdered and raped" by your old teammates. (Not sure of the sequence). IMO the recent stance by KHSAA reiterating "Not for Sport" transfers eligibility was fueled by these events. Mentioned verbatim "following a coach circumstance". Mmmmmm???

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Long Story short: There were MASS transfers. The former middle school football coach / High school wrestling coach at McCracken wanted the AD job at MCHS. People of power and influence (with kids in the middle school) wanted him to have it. (Big back story) Regardless he took the AD job at PTHS. 24 of 28 wrestlers (some played football) went from MCHS to PT. Even more 6/7 grade football players from the middle schools transferred. Last yr MCHS 7 and 8th graders came in 1st and 2nd in the State in football, respectively. This year that same group of 7th graders, now 8th got beat 50 to nothing by PMS. Nice to get "murdered and raped" by your old teammates. (Not sure of the sequence). IMO the recent stance by KHSAA reiterating "Not for Sport" transfers eligibility was fueled by these events. Mentioned verbatim "following a coach circumstance". Mmmmmm???

Appreciate the info....

[Cardinal#74]

I'd bet you Bardstown is better than #10. And in my opinion Taylor county should be top 10, at the least.

[UK1]

I'd bet you Bardstown is better than #10. And in my opinion Taylor county should be top 10, at the least.

Bardstown may be better than 10 but as of now they have beat one team with a winning record and that was Washington Co. Same thing with Taylor. They have one win against a team with a winning record and that is against 1A Campbellsville. We will know more about Taylor after they play Glasgow. Same with Bardstown we will know how good they are after they play Etown and Anderson at the end of the year.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Bardstown may be better than 10 but as of now they have beat one team with a winning record and that was Washington Co. Same thing with Taylor. They have one win against a team with a winning record and that is against 1A Campbellsville. We will know more about Taylor after they play Glasgow. Same with Bardstown we will know how good they are after they play Etown and Anderson at the end of the year.

I’ve seen Bardstown up close.....they do have a nice team. Speed all over the field. IMO , their biggest issue is they’re not very big. Especially along the OL and DL. How they respond to big, aggressive lines will be the tell tale IMO. Their skill kids are good.

[pjdoug]

I'd bet you Bardstown is better than #10. And in my opinion Taylor county should be top 10, at the least.

Bardstown might be 10 or 11 and no way is Taylor County better than the teams ranked in top 10.

[pjdoug]

I’ve seen Bardstown up close.....they do have a nice team. Speed all over the field. IMO , their biggest issue is they’re not very big. Especially along the OL and DL. How they respond to big, aggressive lines will be the tell tale IMO. Their skill kids are good.

They'll respond by getting manhandled in the trenches.

[Lord Grantham]

I’ve seen Bardstown up close.....they do have a nice team. Speed all over the field. IMO , their biggest issue is they’re not very big. Especially along the OL and DL. How they respond to big, aggressive lines will be the tell tale IMO. Their skill kids are good.

Larue had two Division 1 line commits and the smaller Bardstown lineman whipped their asses. Everyone responded with well, Larue’s not very good. Ok that’s fine. But I’ve now seen most of the teams that would come from the group in the west, and with the exception of Desales’ D-line athletes, I don’t see any “big and aggressive” of any note. Certainly not Taylor or PT, and we’ve been up close and personal with Glasgow and it’s not them. Haven’t seen the mountain teams of course, but that would be state finals. So who are you talking about?

[Lord Grantham]

Bardstown may be better than 10 but as of now they have beat one team with a winning record and that was Washington Co. Same thing with Taylor. They have one win against a team with a winning record and that is against 1A Campbellsville. We will know more about Taylor after they play Glasgow. Same with Bardstown we will know how good they are after they play Etown and Anderson at the end of the year.

If that is your rationale, then Belfry, CAL, Bell County and others shouldn’t be ranked, either.

[Lord Grantham]

They'll respond by getting manhandled in the trenches.

Respectfully, you’re missing the point. Bardstown has great skill guys every year. The reason they’re ranked this year is because they have tough lineman (albeit just 220 pounds) that DON’T get manhandled in the trenches.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Larue had two Division 1 line commits and the smaller Bardstown lineman whipped their asses. Everyone responded with well, Larue’s not very good. Ok that’s fine. But I’ve now seen most of the teams that would come from the group in the west, and with the exception of Desales’ D-line athletes, I don’t see any “big and aggressive” of any note. Certainly not Taylor or PT, and we’ve been up close and personal with Glasgow and it’s not them. Haven’t seen the mountain teams of course, but that would be state finals. So who are you talking about?

Not any team in particular. Not sure what DeSales, Cal or for that matter PT has upfront. It I know in the two games I saw (one was a scrimmage) that when the teams went big in the DL....Bardstown’s running game slowed down mightily. That was early in the year...

[Jackson Purchase]

DeSales Demetri Scott is a beast. https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/demet...efault.htm

[Lord Grantham]

Not any team in particular. Not sure what DeSales, Cal or for that matter PT has upfront. It I know in the two games I saw (one was a scrimmage) that when the teams went big in the DL....Bardstown’s running game slowed down mightily. That was early in the year...

Bardstown did not utilize any of their starters in their scrimmages.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Bardstown did not utilize any of their starters in their scrimmages.

The scrimmage I saw they played their starters until the 4th ate

[pjdoug]

Respectfully, you’re missing the point. Bardstown has great skill guys every year. The reason they’re ranked this year is because they have tough lineman (albeit just 220 pounds) that DON’T get manhandled in the trenches.

if they make it far enough to face teams like Bell County and Belfry they will get manhandled in the trenches. Remember I said so.

[Cardinal#74]

Bardstown might be 10 or 11 and no way is Taylor County better than the teams ranked in top 10.

Bardstown is better than #10 or #11, IMO, no might be to it. Taylor beats Glasgow they are top 10.

[Lord Grantham]

The scrimmage I saw they played their starters until the 4th ate

We never played a scrimmage by quarters. We played 10 play 10 play scrimmages against Harrison and Eastern and they deliberately did not play starters most of the scrimmages. In fact, #3, #5, #9 and several defensive starters were in street clothes.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

We never played a scrimmage by quarters. We played 10 play 10 play scrimmages against Harrison and Eastern and they deliberately did not play starters most of the scrimmages. In fact, #3, #5, #9 and several defensive starters were in street clothes.

You are correct about 10 play scrimmages....there was some kicking game as well.....but you're incorrect on who played....I have the hudl film to prove it. Y'all had kids in mismatched jersey numbers.....skill kids with #55 and other non skill position numbers.... you had two kids with #19....and #3 is clearly out there. Now I do understand gamesmanship...so I'm guessing that the coaching staff put kids in mismatched jerseys to disguise who is who so opponents could get a good read until the season started. One of the QB's was playing in #40 :Clap: All I'm saying is that unless someone was hurt....Bardstown played their full roster. Now if you're saying they had some injury and they didn't play....ok....that may be the case....I would have no idea. But I've broken down two different game films on Bardstown (Pikeville and Harrison)…..looks like the same kids too me. :biggrin:

[UK1]

If that is your rationale, then Belfry, CAL, Bell County and others shouldn’t be ranked, either.

If Bardstown played Cal's schedule they would have 4 losses to S Oldham, Ballard, Boyle and Mercer. I do think Bell should be ranked lower as there are a lot of teams that would look good against their schedule.

[Lord Grantham]

You are correct about 10 play scrimmages....there was some kicking game as well.....but you're incorrect on who played....I have the hudl film to prove it. Y'all had kids in mismatched jersey numbers.....skill kids with #55 and other non skill position numbers.... you had two kids with #19....and #3 is clearly out there. Now I do understand gamesmanship...so I'm guessing that the coaching staff put kids in mismatched jerseys to disguise who is who so opponents could get a good read until the season started. One of the QB's was playing in #40 :Clap: All I'm saying is that unless someone was hurt....Bardstown played their full roster. Now if you're saying they had some injury and they didn't play....ok....that may be the case....I would have no idea. But I've broken down two different game films on Bardstown (Pikeville and Harrison)…..looks like the same kids too me. :biggrin:

First, you said they played into the 4th quarter, now you concede they were 10 play scrimmages. You admit they were out of jersey for the Harrison scrimmage, which was true, and therefore you have little basis of comparison. There was absolutely zero kicking game in the Harrison scrimmage. Now, you said you broke down film for the Pikeville GAME, and certainly our starters were playing in that, though they have since been re-assigned at many positions. My son is a two-way starter and he maybe played 20 total snaps between the two scrimmages. #3, Calbert, was out with a hamstring injury the entire pre-season. You may have looked at another #3. So was #9, Datrail Wright. I have the HUDL film too, and you can actually see them on the sideline in street clothes. I know these players, personally, and they did not scrimmage their whole roster. Now, play against Pikeville, yes . . . but there have been a bunch of position changes since then.

[Lord Grantham]

And, incidentally, there was no gamesmanship on the jerseys. We got new jerseys this year and they did not arrive until the week of the Pikeville game, so we were handing out whatever jerseys we could for the scrimmages like they were being issued to new Marines filing through a line . . .

[KYHSFBFan]

IMO, you could put about 11 teams in a hat and pull them out in any order, 1 thru 11 and you wouldn't get much argument from me. The depth in 3a is very good this year, but, I don't see any real dominant team that stands out above the others.

[OutlawJoseyWales]

First, you said they played into the 4th quarter, now you concede they were 10 play scrimmages. You admit they were out of jersey for the Harrison scrimmage, which was true, and therefore you have little basis of comparison. There was absolutely zero kicking game in the Harrison scrimmage. Now, you said you broke down film for the Pikeville GAME, and certainly our starters were playing in that, though they have since been re-assigned at many positions. My son is a two-way starter and he maybe played 20 total snaps between the two scrimmages. #3, Calbert, was out with a hamstring injury the entire pre-season. You may have looked at another #3. So was #9, Datrail Wright. I have the HUDL film too, and you can actually see them on the sideline in street clothes. I know these players, personally, and they did not scrimmage their whole roster. Now, play against Pikeville, yes . . . but there have been a bunch of position changes since then.

The kicking game was in play in the Harrison scrimmage...just no returns. Punts and Kickoffs

[OutlawJoseyWales]

The kicking game was in play in the Harrison scrimmage...just no returns. Punts and Kickoffs

In fact....FG attempts as well. Look at slides 1, 24, 25, 50, 51, 60, 73, 74, 83

[Lord Grantham]

In fact....FG attempts as well. Look at slides 1, 24, 25, 50, 51, 60, 73, 74, 83

Yes, those are all static kicks, except 24 which is just the ball boys chasing something.:thatsfunn

[OutlawJoseyWales]

Yes, those are all static kicks, except 24 which is just the ball boys chasing something.:thatsfunn

You can call it what you want...makes no difference too me.....still all elements of the kicking game.

regardless.....I think Bardstown has a nice team. I've been very complimentary of their squad all season. I still think they're smallish up front....which will come into play at some point during the playoffs.

Best of luck!

[Tica]

DeSales Demetri Scott is a beast. https://www.maxpreps.com/m/athlete/demet...efault.htm

Very consistent and disruptive player. Afraid we will see a lot of him tonight. The only option my be to try outrun him.