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11-11-2007, 07:15 PM
It seems anytime that someone mentions how great of a back either Dials or Grimm is, then ultimately the debate starts up again.
Earleir in the year i stated that at the end of the season after wathcing both backs play, I would post my toughts on who I feel is the better back. So here it goes....
For argument sake, lets compare JC/SC, then we'll throw in Belfry's Lee and May...
JOHNSON CENTRAL (10 games reported)
Grimm: 174 carries, 1384 yards, 25 TD ( 8.0 yards per carry, TD every 7 carries)
Dillon: 94 carries, 662 yards, 9 TD
Richardson: 94 carries, 593 yards, 10 TD
SHELDON CLARK (11 games reported)
Dials: 304 carries, 2185 yards, 29TD ( 7.2 yards per carry, TD every 10.5 carries)
So as we see by the numbers, Dials has had nearly twice the number of carries as Grimm, and Grimm has also had to share carries with two very successful backs. Yet Grimm has a better ypc average and better TD per carry average. If we apply Grimm's averages to Dials' numbers he would have:
Grimm's adjusted statistics using Dials number of carries:
304 carries, 2432 yards, 43 TD's. That would be 247 yards more, and 14 TD more.
It is also worth noting that Grimm has played a considerably tougher schedule than Dials. Additionally, Grimm has missed quite a bit of action with injury this season.
Now, let's throw in May and Lee....
BELFRY
May (8 games played): 114 carries, 1071 yards, 17 TD ( 9.4 ypc, TD every 6.7 carries)
Lee (10 games): 78 carries, 878 yards, 11 TD (11.3 ypc, TD every 7.1 carries)
May and Lee adjusted to 304 carries:
May: 304 carries, 2857 yards, 45 TD
Lee: 304 carries, 3435 yards, 43 TD
Once again, against a much tougher schedule, the Belfry backs have much better averages than Dials as well, in fact their averages are the best of the lot. May has compiled some very impressive numbers despite spending the last half of the year banged up
What I am trying to convey is this, Dials is a great back and 200 yards is a very impressive feat, but to simply qualify him as the BEST PLAYER based on stats alone (as several SC supporters have done) is an inaccurate science.
Dials- Tough runner, great balance, reads/sets up blocks well. He seems to have the better ability to break tackles, and is a much more durable runner. Good size and maintains an excellent pad level. Lacks speed, gets discouraged when he starts to struggle and doesn't run with the same intensity.
Grimm- Very quick agile runner. Has excellent speed once he turns the corner. Excellent balance and very versatile back that is dangerous passing, receiving, and returning kicks. Lacks size and ability to break loose tackles.
They really are two completely different backs, but both are VERY good backs. Grimm is much more dangerous on the ouside or in the open field, he also gives you more options with his versatility. Dials is the definition of an every down back, and though Grimm has the ability to explode on good teams for 300 yards, I feel Dials is a more consistent player.
In all honesty I think they are about equal, but if I had to choose I'd prefer Grimm with his versatility and speed.
Earleir in the year i stated that at the end of the season after wathcing both backs play, I would post my toughts on who I feel is the better back. So here it goes....
For argument sake, lets compare JC/SC, then we'll throw in Belfry's Lee and May...
JOHNSON CENTRAL (10 games reported)
Grimm: 174 carries, 1384 yards, 25 TD ( 8.0 yards per carry, TD every 7 carries)
Dillon: 94 carries, 662 yards, 9 TD
Richardson: 94 carries, 593 yards, 10 TD
SHELDON CLARK (11 games reported)
Dials: 304 carries, 2185 yards, 29TD ( 7.2 yards per carry, TD every 10.5 carries)
So as we see by the numbers, Dials has had nearly twice the number of carries as Grimm, and Grimm has also had to share carries with two very successful backs. Yet Grimm has a better ypc average and better TD per carry average. If we apply Grimm's averages to Dials' numbers he would have:
Grimm's adjusted statistics using Dials number of carries:
304 carries, 2432 yards, 43 TD's. That would be 247 yards more, and 14 TD more.
It is also worth noting that Grimm has played a considerably tougher schedule than Dials. Additionally, Grimm has missed quite a bit of action with injury this season.
Now, let's throw in May and Lee....
BELFRY
May (8 games played): 114 carries, 1071 yards, 17 TD ( 9.4 ypc, TD every 6.7 carries)
Lee (10 games): 78 carries, 878 yards, 11 TD (11.3 ypc, TD every 7.1 carries)
May and Lee adjusted to 304 carries:
May: 304 carries, 2857 yards, 45 TD
Lee: 304 carries, 3435 yards, 43 TD
Once again, against a much tougher schedule, the Belfry backs have much better averages than Dials as well, in fact their averages are the best of the lot. May has compiled some very impressive numbers despite spending the last half of the year banged up
What I am trying to convey is this, Dials is a great back and 200 yards is a very impressive feat, but to simply qualify him as the BEST PLAYER based on stats alone (as several SC supporters have done) is an inaccurate science.
Dials- Tough runner, great balance, reads/sets up blocks well. He seems to have the better ability to break tackles, and is a much more durable runner. Good size and maintains an excellent pad level. Lacks speed, gets discouraged when he starts to struggle and doesn't run with the same intensity.
Grimm- Very quick agile runner. Has excellent speed once he turns the corner. Excellent balance and very versatile back that is dangerous passing, receiving, and returning kicks. Lacks size and ability to break loose tackles.
They really are two completely different backs, but both are VERY good backs. Grimm is much more dangerous on the ouside or in the open field, he also gives you more options with his versatility. Dials is the definition of an every down back, and though Grimm has the ability to explode on good teams for 300 yards, I feel Dials is a more consistent player.
In all honesty I think they are about equal, but if I had to choose I'd prefer Grimm with his versatility and speed.
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11-11-2007, 08:04 PM
For my money....I would take a healthy Daniel Harmon over both Grimm and Dials. You talk about a tough luck situation. Pikeville has been a major disappointment this year, despite having a lot of offensive weapons. Absolutely no line play at all. If Harmon played for Belfry, I could see him possibly having a 15-16 yrc average. In my book, he's the best back in the mountains. That's no disrespect toward Grimm and Dials. I think both are fantastic for their respective teams. However, I don't think either one is better than May or Lee...and I think Harmon is better than all of 'em.
11-11-2007, 08:12 PM
Here's the way I see the situtaion, the Eastern Kentucky area is blessed several outstanding running backs, I don't think you could go wrong with any of these youn men.
11-11-2007, 09:55 PM
In a 100 meter race I'd go with Grimm, but on the Football field I'd go with Dials... Dials is not as fast but is alot stronger, and they both have about the same agility. With Grimm you have speed and agility but not that much strength. So once again I'd go with Adam Dials.
11-12-2007, 10:49 AM
I'd take Dials in this one. He is just a better football player than Grim IMO.
I would even take May and Lee over Grim. Those are two of the most punishing backs I have ever seen in high school.
I would even take May and Lee over Grim. Those are two of the most punishing backs I have ever seen in high school.
11-12-2007, 12:29 PM
Having played against Grimm last year i know how lethal he is. i dont know much about Dials but it sounds as if they both have their different styles and attributes. personally i like a runner that will just run over people. They are both obviously very talented athletes but in the end i would have to choose Grimm, just because of my two previous encounters with him.
11-12-2007, 12:31 PM
Super-Card Wrote:I'd take Dials in this one. He is just a better football player than Grim IMO.
I would even take May and Lee over Grim. Those are two of the most punishing backs I have ever seen in high school.
Didnt catch that before my last post. I would definately take may over both Grimm, and Dials, i played against him last year as well and he is a brute. thats all you need to say about that. he also has tremendous sportsmanship.
11-12-2007, 01:46 PM
The JC fans will say that Grimm is the Best
The SC fans will say that Dials is the best
Stats are all and good but.....
Fact is that Belfry's Dustin May and Ivan Lee have beaten them both on the field....where it really counts.
Not being on a high horse or anything, but Belfry's defense has shut both of these two talented young men down. Definitely not taking anything away from them either. I would love to see either of them on the field for the Pirates any day.
The SC fans will say that Dials is the best
Stats are all and good but.....
Fact is that Belfry's Dustin May and Ivan Lee have beaten them both on the field....where it really counts.
Not being on a high horse or anything, but Belfry's defense has shut both of these two talented young men down. Definitely not taking anything away from them either. I would love to see either of them on the field for the Pirates any day.
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11-12-2007, 02:45 PM
Here is my take on it...
1.Dustin May(only by a hair)
2.Ivan Lee( is only a junior, may be the best back in the state come his senior year)
3.Daniel Harmon
4.Shawn Grimm
5.Adam Dials...
Adam Dials is a great athlete, he stays squared up at all times, keeps his feet moving, had great balance, but the one this I have picked up on, watching him in person, an on the field, he gives away when he is going to run the ball... If he is going to get the ball on the play, when he gets in his 3-point stance, he has his head up watching, if he isnt going to get the ball, he has has his head looking down at the ground, when he doesnt get the ball he goes half speed, rarely blocking...
Grimm is a dual threat back, he isnt quite as big as Dials, but he makes up for it in speed an agility. Grimm has played a much tougher schedule than Dials, an has to share carries with 2 other great backs, much like Doug howard had to in 2004...
Now for the people who say these two backs was better than Doug Howard, here are his senior season stats: 15 GAMES PLAYED (not the 11 for the other backs): 198 attempts, 2066 yards, 10.5 ypc, 13.2 carries per game, 29 rtds, scoring a td every 6.8 carries... now giving the stats Dials has he averages 27.6 carries per game, that would give him around 414 carries in 15 games, if Howard got the ball 27.6 times per game he would have ended up with around 289.8yds. per game with 4348.5 yds on the season scoring 60.8 tds. Doug Howard is by far the Best RB to come out of the mountains in a long long time.
1.Dustin May(only by a hair)
2.Ivan Lee( is only a junior, may be the best back in the state come his senior year)
3.Daniel Harmon
4.Shawn Grimm
5.Adam Dials...
Adam Dials is a great athlete, he stays squared up at all times, keeps his feet moving, had great balance, but the one this I have picked up on, watching him in person, an on the field, he gives away when he is going to run the ball... If he is going to get the ball on the play, when he gets in his 3-point stance, he has his head up watching, if he isnt going to get the ball, he has has his head looking down at the ground, when he doesnt get the ball he goes half speed, rarely blocking...
Grimm is a dual threat back, he isnt quite as big as Dials, but he makes up for it in speed an agility. Grimm has played a much tougher schedule than Dials, an has to share carries with 2 other great backs, much like Doug howard had to in 2004...
Now for the people who say these two backs was better than Doug Howard, here are his senior season stats: 15 GAMES PLAYED (not the 11 for the other backs): 198 attempts, 2066 yards, 10.5 ypc, 13.2 carries per game, 29 rtds, scoring a td every 6.8 carries... now giving the stats Dials has he averages 27.6 carries per game, that would give him around 414 carries in 15 games, if Howard got the ball 27.6 times per game he would have ended up with around 289.8yds. per game with 4348.5 yds on the season scoring 60.8 tds. Doug Howard is by far the Best RB to come out of the mountains in a long long time.
11-12-2007, 04:30 PM
EKUAlum05 Wrote:It seems anytime that someone mentions how great of a back either Dials or Grimm is, then ultimately the debate starts up again.
Earleir in the year i stated that at the end of the season after wathcing both backs play, I would post my toughts on who I feel is the better back. So here it goes....
For argument sake, lets compare JC/SC, then we'll throw in Belfry's Lee and May...
JOHNSON CENTRAL (10 games reported)
Grimm: 174 carries, 1384 yards, 25 TD ( 8.0 yards per carry, TD every 7 carries)
Dillon: 94 carries, 662 yards, 9 TD
Richardson: 94 carries, 593 yards, 10 TD
SHELDON CLARK (11 games reported)
Dials: 304 carries, 2185 yards, 29TD ( 7.2 yards per carry, TD every 10.5 carries)
So as we see by the numbers, Dials has had nearly twice the number of carries as Grimm, and Grimm has also had to share carries with two very successful backs. Yet Grimm has a better ypc average and better TD per carry average. If we apply Grimm's averages to Dials' numbers he would have:
Grimm's adjusted statistics using Dials number of carries:
304 carries, 2432 yards, 43 TD's. That would be 247 yards more, and 14 TD more.
It is also worth noting that Grimm has played a considerably tougher schedule than Dials. Additionally, Grimm has missed quite a bit of action with injury this season.
Now, let's throw in May and Lee....
BELFRY
May (8 games played): 114 carries, 1071 yards, 17 TD ( 9.4 ypc, TD every 6.7 carries)
Lee (10 games): 78 carries, 878 yards, 11 TD (11.3 ypc, TD every 7.1 carries)
May and Lee adjusted to 304 carries:
May: 304 carries, 2857 yards, 45 TD
Lee: 304 carries, 3435 yards, 43 TD
Once again, against a much tougher schedule, the Belfry backs have much better averages than Dials as well, in fact their averages are the best of the lot. May has compiled some very impressive numbers despite spending the last half of the year banged up
What I am trying to convey is this, Dials is a great back and 200 yards is a very impressive feat, but to simply qualify him as the BEST PLAYER based on stats alone (as several SC supporters have done) is an inaccurate science.
Dials- Tough runner, great balance, reads/sets up blocks well. He seems to have the better ability to break tackles, and is a much more durable runner. Good size and maintains an excellent pad level. Lacks speed, gets discouraged when he starts to struggle and doesn't run with the same intensity.
Grimm- Very quick agile runner. Has excellent speed once he turns the corner. Excellent balance and very versatile back that is dangerous passing, receiving, and returning kicks. Lacks size and ability to break loose tackles.
They really are two completely different backs, but both are VERY good backs. Grimm is much more dangerous on the ouside or in the open field, he also gives you more options with his versatility. Dials is the definition of an every down back, and though Grimm has the ability to explode on good teams for 300 yards, I feel Dials is a more consistent player.
In all honesty I think they are about equal, but if I had to choose I'd prefer Grimm with his versatility and speed.
I've never ever heard anyone compare these two players.
11-12-2007, 09:36 PM
kyr450 Wrote:If Ivan Lee will get in the weight room this off season an get alot stronger, an faster he could have the potential to be as good as Howard...
He could be as good but not as strong, Doug was a flat out hoss!
11-13-2007, 12:16 AM
Dials can run over alot of defensive players.
Since this thread is about Dials or Grimm I'll take Dials by a long...long..longshot (numbers and statistics being the evidence) over young Grimm.
Since this thread is about Dials or Grimm I'll take Dials by a long...long..longshot (numbers and statistics being the evidence) over young Grimm.
11-13-2007, 12:24 AM
Watchful Eye Wrote:Dials can run over alot of defensive players.
Since this thread is about Dials or Grimm I'll take Dials by a long...long..longshot (numbers and statistics being the evidence) over young Grimm.
Look at the competition those numbers came against.... besides Bell and Belfry, SC has had a pie schedule.
11-13-2007, 12:27 AM
Belfry_99 Wrote:Look at the competition those numbers came against.... besides Bell and Belfry, SC has had a pie schedule.
So everyone says we had a pie schedule even against belfry and bell dials but up over 120+ it shows he can run but SC's line hurts him they can not block
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11-13-2007, 12:32 AM
Belfry_99 Wrote:Look at the competition those numbers came against.... besides Bell and Belfry, SC has had a pie schedule.
Same could be said about Belfry.
11-13-2007, 12:36 AM
Cards09 Wrote:So everyone says we had a pie schedule even against belfry and bell dials but up over 120+ it shows he can run but SC's line hurts him they can not blockHe should have had that many yards, when one player is the whole offense then they will get the yards.
11-13-2007, 12:37 AM
Belfry_99 Wrote:Are you sure,Belfry has played Pikeville, SC, Corbin, and Johnson Central.. and your telling me our schedule was as easy as Sheldon Clarks???
The Pirates schedule is tougher but not by much.
11-13-2007, 01:09 AM
blackcat_student Wrote:The Pirates schedule is tougher but not by much.
Oh please! Belfry has the 3rd strongest schedule in 3A only behind Central & Moore, and thats only because they are in Louisville & they play other Louisville schools who are mostly much larger. Sheldon Clark's schedule is 9th in 3A, and only decent team they played non-district is Bell Co.. Belfry's non-district games include a strong Corbin team, a decent Pikeville team, and top 5A team. Thats 3-1 non-districts and 4-2 overall.. You can't say theres not much of a difference. Also, look at the outcomes of the schedules. Sheldon Clark has dropped 2 games on a weaker schedule compared to Belfry undefeated in a much tougher schedule.
11-13-2007, 01:27 AM
mrfootball03 Wrote:Oh please! Belfry has the 3rd strongest schedule in 3A only behind Central & Moore, and thats only because they are in Louisville & they play other Louisville schools who are mostly much larger. Sheldon Clark's schedule is 9th in 3A, and only decent team they played non-district is Bell Co.. Belfry's non-district games include a strong Corbin team, a decent Pikeville team, and top 5A team. Thats 3-1 non-districts and 4-2 overall.. You can't say theres not much of a difference. Also, look at the outcomes of the schedules. Sheldon Clark has dropped 2 games on a weaker schedule compared to Belfry undefeated in a much tougher schedule.
I have in no way questioned Belfry's team strength. I watched them play against Johnson Central and I think they are a top 10 team in the state.
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