[Coach_Owens87]

With the controversy over McCain possibly knowing the questions before being interviewed in the recent Saddleback forum, I thought this would be a good time to bring up Mr. Warren.

I know that he puts himself off to be a guy with a very open mind, and seemed to be concerned about a broad range of issues from gay marriage, to climate change, poverty, and abortion, but the interview proved that he may not be the guy he lets on to be.

All throughout the forum he gave questions that really sided with the GOP, for example asking about abortion, but not asking about poverty, and global warming, something mccain doesn't really give a crap about. Warren also didnt question mccain when his answers where lackluster, but now he is all over tv bashing obama. I find it very appalling, and I fount that this article summed up my feelings pretty well.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/godometer/2008...d-tha.html

[jammin' jamey]

I know that he puts himself off to be a guy with a very open mind, and seemed to be concerned about a broad range of issues from gay marriage, to climate change, poverty, and abortion, but the interview proved that he may not be the guy he lets on to be.

Warren is a preacher right? How "open minded" should he be about gay marriage or abortion? The Christian right holds abortion and gay marriage in higher regards than climate change and poverty. Abortion is killing millions of people. Gay marriage is a destruction of fundamental principles that this country was founded on. These are hot-button issues with the Christian right and Warren was wanting straight answers from the candidates. I thought he did a great job.

When asking Obama about the presence of evil, Obama couldn't answer the question. He didn't want to accuse anyone of being "evil". When asking McCain, he responded to Warren's question by saying "we must defeat evil" and named it in very clear fashion as terrorist in the Middle East. I think the quote was if al-Qaida's placing of suicide vests on mentally-disabled women and then blowing them up by remote control in a Baghdad market isn't evil, McCain asked: "You have to tell me what is."

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles...2351194789

Good link that reflects my opinion.

[FOX SPORTS]

Rick Warren is a highly respected Pastor, not a journalist.

How "open minded" do people want him to become?

He still has his core values that form who is is and drive his purpose.

[Coach_Owens87]

Warren is a preacher right? How "open minded" should he be about gay marriage or abortion? The Christian right holds abortion and gay marriage in higher regards than climate change and poverty. Abortion is killing millions of people. Gay marriage is a destruction of fundamental principles that this country was founded on. These are hot-button issues with the Christian right and Warren was wanting straight answers from the candidates. I thought he did a great job.

When asking Obama about the presence of evil, Obama couldn't answer the question. He didn't want to accuse anyone of being "evil". When asking McCain, he responded to Warren's question by saying "we must defeat evil" and named it in very clear fashion as terrorist in the Middle East. I think the quote was if al-Qaida's placing of suicide vests on mentally-disabled women and then blowing them up by remote control in a Baghdad market isn't evil, McCain asked: "You have to tell me what is."

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles...2351194789

Good link that reflects my opinion.

He is entitled to have his own opinions, my point was that he just inst the person he was putting himself off to be. He catered to conservative issues, in a very pro conservative area, that shouldn't be how a "debate" is handled. You shuld be fair to both candidates, and not be biased. And it kills me when Right wingers take the high moral ground, when there golden boy mccain has had his own marital problems, I guess the RW must be of the "do as I say, not as I do" group.


"We must defeat evil"

And the first step in doing that is to get the republicans out of office! The big question about Mccains answer was did Mccain give plans on how exactly he plans to defeat evil? Remember that this is the man who doesnt know the difference between a Sunni, and a Shiite? Nope, he just likes to be a warmonger, and spread more of his BS.

Obama talked about evil around the world, including Darfur, terrorism, and other issues, including some in our own country. McCain however went straight to bin laden (remember that guy that Dubya doesn't care about), because this suited the audience. Conservatives like to act like they care about world issues, but they dont, they only care about things that help them (OIL!!!). Evil isnt secluded to the middle east, evil is everywhere, it's in our country (rape, murder, big companies screwing the poor), and it's around the world.

I also liked how Obama handled the question of when life begins, by saying it's above his paygrade. He could have took the arrogrant stance and claim to have the answer, but the answer is still highly debated. Is it a zygote? or does life begin with the embryo, it all really just depends on your belief, and the period of time your living in, as this answer has changed throughout history. Most people who claim to have the high moral ground on this issue, and know the answer, are in most cases just spouting BS. Does anyone remember the promises made by Dubya on abortion? Whatever happened to those? It was nothing more than a ploy to get votes, which is what mccain is doing, and is what Mr. Warren was pandering too.

Here is something for the RW to think about, "red states" are the leaders in the most "un-moral" issues in the country, the top three states in divorce rates are all red (Arkansas, Nevada, Wyoming), 2 of the top 3 states for murder are "red" (Mississippi, and Louisiana) They are also in the tops of suicide rates with New Mexico, Montana, and Nevada. SO is it really these evil "libs" that are ruining the world, or should the right wing look in the mirror.

We need to be concerned about all issues, not just the specific few that the crazed evangelicals care about because they got us into this mess. WE all share this world, and taking care of our environment should be one of top priorities, but republicans don't want that to be the case, because they cant get filthy rich, and protect our health also.

[Coach_Owens87]

Rick Warren is a highly respected Pastor, not a journalist.

How "open minded" do people want him to become?

He still has his core values that form who is is and drive his purpose.

On this night he was supposed to be a moderator, not a pastor. I'm not saying to take his personal values out of the questions, because I share a lot of his concerns, but he shouldn't have catered to McCain. And if his values are so important, why is he still lying about the "cone of silence"?

He purposely left out questions that aren't really a part of the Right wings agenda, because he didn't have time!

And his values are very questionable, Warren told us that in order to get to heaven we should just really do what we want, because we are ignorant to gods ways. On an episode of Hannitys america Warren said that we should "Give as much of yourself as you understand, to as much as jesus as your understand", so basically just do whatever, as long as you know little about jesus, which seems exactly like Warren.

Show me where the bible says what Warren was implying?

John Chapter 6

28 Therefore they said to Him, "What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?"

29 Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.

[jetpilot]

Obama got smoked and the liberals are whining. Time to call them a WAAAAAAAAAAmbulance....

[jammin' jamey]

He is entitled to have his own opinions, my point was that he just inst the person he was putting himself off to be. He catered to conservative issues, in a very pro conservative area, that shouldn't be how a "debate" is handled. You shuld be fair to both candidates, and not be biased. And it kills me when Right wingers take the high moral ground, when there golden boy mccain has had his own marital problems, I guess the RW must be of the "do as I say, not as I do" group.

As for Rick Warren, I thought he put off exactly who he was or respectfully, you don't know who he is or represents. He's not Methodist or Presbyterian and neither is his church. He takes a stand in what he believes and both candidates knew this going in to the debate and the audience should've realized it too. Hardcore left wingers didn't like this debate because of the setting, plain and simple.

What's biased about asking questions about abortion or gay marriage anyway? Biased because those are questions were asked in Christian setting with a mostly Republican audience? If Obama has to answer a question about abortion by saying "its above my payscale" in front of a mostly GOP audience because he's trying to appeal to swing voters instead of just saying he's pro-choice and standing by it, how's he going to fair against foreign affairs and dealings with people that hate Americans, no matter their political affliation?

I also liked how Obama handled the question of when life begins, by saying it's above his paygrade. He could have took the arrogrant stance and claim to have the answer, but the answer is still highly debated.

What's to debate? Scientific evidence? Barrack Obama clearly stated that he was a Christian during the debate. Why couldn't he give the answer that his religion believes in? It's not a question of whether he's a practicing Christian because I don't believe either candidate is, but if he is what he claims to be, he could've gave a clearer answer than saying "it's above his payscale" and trying to be rhetorical in his response.

I'll give an answer to it. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:4-5).
Anyone of any payscale can read this and know it to be true.

[Coach_Owens87]

As for Rick Warren, I thought he put off exactly who he was or respectfully, you don't know who he is or represents. He's not Methodist or Presbyterian and neither is his church. He takes a stand in what he believes and both candidates knew this going in to the debate and the audience should've realized it too. Hardcore left wingers didn't like this debate because of the setting, plain and simple.

What's biased about asking questions about abortion or gay marriage anyway? Biased because those are questions were asked in Christian setting with a mostly Republican audience? If Obama has to answer a question about abortion by saying "its above my payscale" in front of a mostly GOP audience because he's trying to appeal to swing voters instead of just saying he's pro-choice and standing by it, how's he going to fair against foreign affairs and dealings with people that hate Americans, no matter their political affiliation?



What's to debate? Scientific evidence? Barrack Obama clearly stated that he was a Christian during the debate. Why couldn't he give the answer that his religion believes in? It's not a question of whether he's a practicing Christian because I don't believe either candidate is, but if he is what he claims to be, he could've gave a clearer answer than saying "it's above his payscale" and trying to be rhetorical in his response.

[B]I'll give an answer to it. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations." (Jeremiah 1:4-5).[/B]
Anyone of any payscale can read this and know it to be true.

Obama answered to what he thought was true, McCain was the one playing to votes, doesn't anyone remember Dubya in 2000 and 2004, what did he do about abortion? Nothing, but still you conservatives are flocking to the same BS, this is a man that has voted with bush 90% of the time, and is also looking at several VP's that are Pro-Abortion. People never look deep into issues, they just take what they want to believe, or what they're told to believe.

If you're so determined about stopping abortion, shouldn't you also stop the sell of condoms, the pill, and other forms of birth control? Shouldn't we also ban the sell of drugs like Viagra, because if god has made you "limp", shouldn't you stay that way, because violating that would be going against gods will. Or should you just learn to "pull out"? But wouldn't that be wasting life also? Or is this not part of your agenda. Because the question isn't where life begins, the question is does life ever stop? It seems that nothing will work unless it's a complete stop to abortion, I find nothing wrong with educating people about sex, and letting them know the dangers and risk so that the question of abortion shouldn't be asked.

lol, trying to compare a question about abortion to international affairs is hilarious, and ridiculous, you must have gotten it from fox. McCain is the one with foreign affair issues, he doesn't know what "terrorist" we are fighting, and he claims to have been friends with the president of Georgia since he was 16, but he cant pronounce his name. Is this how we plan to make friends around the world, lie about who is fighting and then call youre "friends" by the wrong name?

But you cant expect much more from the fumbling McCain, which is why I do believe he had prior knowledge of the questions being asked. And Mr. Warren is a biased hack, he lied about McCain's cone of silence, and then goes on tv and bashes obama while praising McCain. The questions asked shouldn't have all been aimed at his crowd, this is a diverse nation, with many different beliefs and views. Believe it or not, but their are Christians in this world that care about poverty, aids, and the environment, they just don't belong to the right.

not once did he mention the problems McCain has had in his life. Aren't all sins equal in gods eyes? If this is true the Christian Warren should have pointed that out, because no man is equal to jesus, unless of course your in the right wing.

[thecavemaster]

Obama got smoked and the liberals are whining. Time to call them a WAAAAAAAAAAmbulance....

Rick Warren is a rich man who preaches every Sunday to rich people, a parking lot full of the Lexxus, the Range Rover, the Mercedes. If you've read his books or heard him preach, he is a panderer with an agenda.

[Beetle01]

Obama answered to what he thought was true, McCain was the one playing to votes, doesn't anyone remember Dubya in 2000 and 2004, what did he do about abortion? Nothing, but still you conservatives are flocking to the same BS, this is a man that has voted with bush 90% of the time, and is also looking at several VP's that are Pro-Abortion. People never look deep into issues, they just take what they want to believe, or what they're told to believe.

If you're so determined about stopping abortion, shouldn't you also stop the sell of condoms, the pill, and other forms of birth control? Shouldn't we also ban the sell of drugs like Viagra, because if god has made you "limp", shouldn't you stay that way, because violating that would be going against gods will. Or should you just learn to "pull out"? But wouldn't that be wasting life also? Or is this not part of your agenda. Because the question isn't where life begins, the question is does life ever stop? It seems that nothing will work unless it's a complete stop to abortion, I find nothing wrong with educating people about sex, and letting them know the dangers and risk so that the question of abortion shouldn't be asked.

lol, trying to compare a question about abortion to international affairs is hilarious, and ridiculous, you must have gotten it from fox. McCain is the one with foreign affair issues, he doesn't know what "terrorist" we are fighting, and he claims to have been friends with the president of Georgia since he was 16, but he cant pronounce his name. Is this how we plan to make friends around the world, lie about who is fighting and then call youre "friends" by the wrong name?

But you cant expect much more from the fumbling McCain, which is why I do believe he had prior knowledge of the questions being asked. And Mr. Warren is a biased hack, he lied about McCain's cone of silence, and then goes on tv and bashes obama while praising McCain. The questions asked shouldn't have all been aimed at his crowd, this is a diverse nation, with many different beliefs and views. Believe it or not, but their are Christians in this world that care about poverty, aids, and the environment, they just don't belong to the right.

not once did he mention the problems McCain has had in his life. Aren't all sins equal in gods eyes? If this is true the Christian Warren should have pointed that out, because no man is equal to jesus, unless of course your in the right wing.

It takes 2 people to make a life. Sperm alone can not create a life, so no, condoms and such are not forms of abortion. To even try and argue that is absurd. If I remember correctly it takes around 3 days for the egg to become fertilized. It can take up to 7 or 8. So even day after pills are okay with me, for an unfertilized egg or a floating sperm in the fallopian tubes are nothing but a genetic blueprint by themselves.

IMO life begins when the cells begin to split and divide. If the mothers life is at risk then I am not so much for an abortion as I am for an attempt to go ahead and birth the baby, no matter what stage. It may die, but you gave it a chance. Most of the time in these cases the risk is for a 9month birth, this is why in the case with one of my friends they took the baby prematurely, around 6 1/2 months and there was no problems, this is becoming more common and an alternative to abortion for complicated pregnancies.



International affairs and abortion are very separate issues, but I think the connection is the moral values of the individual. Christian people for the most part, and I hate to generalize, but for the most part want someone they feel is on the same moral ground as them representing our country and nation to the world.

You have no reason to believe McCain knew the questions before the interview, to say otherwise without proof is irresposible and childish. The man had a good night, and Obama didn't. Next time may be different.

Why should the Rev. not ask questions that are important to him and his congreagation? If this forum(not debate) was at the Greenpeace HQ, I would expect a great deal of questions about enviromental issues. People are going to ask the questions that are important to them, as they should.


The sad part is that libs will back Obama no matter what he says or does. They will do anything to ge one of their own in the white house. They will spin everything any which way and put no resposibility on Obama himself to be a good candidate. If the man comes out and says I punch babies and kick puppies and hate white people. Most dems will probably still back him because of their hate for GW. Which McCain and GW have nothing in common for the most part. They hate eachother. You say McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush. Why don't you find me how often Hillary or Obama voted with Bush. Any bill the president signs or introduces is in that figure.

[FOX SPORTS]

Isn't the BGR political forum great?

Yes, they can and their opinions are welcomed...even if they are not agreed with.

[Coach_Owens87]

Yes, they can and their opinions are welcomed...even if they are not agreed with.

Thank you!

[Coach_Owens87]

]It takes 2 people to make a life. Sperm alone can not create a life, so no, condoms and such are not forms of abortion.[/B] To even try and argue that is absurd. If I remember correctly it takes around 3 days for the egg to become fertilized. It can take up to 7 or 8. So even day after pills are okay with me, for an unfertilized egg or a floating sperm in the fallopian tubes are nothing but a genetic blueprint by themselves.

IMO life begins when the cells begin to split and divide. If the mothers life is at risk then I am not so much for an abortion as I am for an attempt to go ahead and birth the baby, no matter what stage. It may die, but you gave it a chance. Most of the time in these cases the risk is for a 9month birth, this is why in the case with one of my friends they took the baby prematurely, around 6 1/2 months and there was no problems, this is becoming more common and an alternative to abortion for complicated pregnancies.



International affairs and abortion are very separate issues, but I think the connection is the moral values of the individual. Christian people for the most part, and I hate to generalize, but for the most part want someone they feel is on the same moral ground as them representing our country and nation to the world.

You have no reason to believe McCain knew the questions before the interview, to say otherwise without proof is irresposible and childish. The man had a good night, and Obama didn't. Next time may be different.

Why should the Rev. not ask questions that are important to him and his congreagation? If this forum(not debate) was at the Greenpeace HQ, I would expect a great deal of questions about enviromental issues. People are going to ask the questions that are important to them, as they should.


The sad part is that libs will back Obama no matter what he says or does. They will do anything to ge one of their own in the white house. They will spin everything any which way and put no resposibility on Obama himself to be a good candidate. If the man comes out and says I punch babies and kick puppies and hate white people. Most dems will probably still back him because of their hate for GW. Which McCain and GW have nothing in common for the most part. They hate eachother. You say McCain voted 90% of the time with Bush. Why don't you find me how often Hillary or Obama voted with Bush. Any bill the president signs or introduces is in that figure.

So what youre saying is that people go around wearing condoms while not having sex? How are we to know that one of those sperm wouldnt have found his way to an egg and formed a zygote. And at what stage of cell division do you think life begins? Prophase? Telophase? Or are you talking about the cell division of a gamete (Sperm, Egg)? Life never stops.

McCain knew questions

Proof? We do have proof, McCain was in his car when the interview with Obama was going on, and the forum was broadcast over tv, and radio? HE could have easily heard the questions. Which is why Warren should have waited until he knew for certian McCain was in a "cone of silence" instead of lying for days about it.

And Im not saying he shouldnt have asked questions that were important to him and his congregation, but when you go around acting like you care about poverty, aids, and the environment, and then when you "run out of time" to bring up these issues, you're a hypocrite. He was also laughing and joking with McCain, but had a completly different attitude with Obama. His true colors are showing now though, his running back to Hannity to join the "Bash Obama" party.

I guess we should just all take Warrens advice on how to get to heaven, just "give as much as you know about yourself to as much as you know about jesus". This means that if warren knows little about his self or the truth, and little about jesus, he's ok.

[Coach_Owens87]

An oocyte (egg) is viable for 12- 24 hours after it is released from the ovary, and sperm can live between 24-72 hours. After the oocyte has been released for more than 24 hours, the chance of pregnancy is about 0%, so fertilization can occur within 24 hours. Fertilization must occur no more than 3 days before ovulation, and no later than 24 hours after. In this case, the morning after pill could be abortion!


And this "lib" does not support Obama, or any candidate no matter what he says (The accomplishment belongs to the people who still support bush, which is mostly fox viewers). They're are many things I dont like about Obama, but I do believe him to be the better candidate. Even though I believe this, I may not even vote.

[jetpilot]

Rick Warren is a rich man who preaches every Sunday to rich people, a parking lot full of the Lexxus, the Range Rover, the Mercedes. If you've read his books or heard him preach, he is a panderer with an agenda.

Yeah, Rick Warren isn't near as credible as Jeremiah Wright...:thatsfunn

[Coach_Owens87]

Yeah, Rick Warren isn't near as credible as Jeremiah Wright...:thatsfunn

lol, more right wing talking points!

No one was comparing the two, because both are crazy. It's just that Wright is black, so Fox and other right wing pundits seems to like to pick on him more than all the other crazy preachers.

[thecavemaster]

Yeah, Rick Warren isn't near as credible as Jeremiah Wright...:thatsfunn

Mad? Define whining. Apparently, to you, it means stating an opinion that differs from yours. Jeremiah Wright did not host a forum; he spoke a sermon, snippets of which were reported in the media, then mistakenly cast as Obama's position. Nice little cartoon, by the way.

[jetpilot]

Mad? Define whining. Apparently, to you, it means stating an opinion that differs from yours. Jeremiah Wright did not host a forum; he spoke a sermon, snippets of which were reported in the media, then mistakenly cast as Obama's position. Nice little cartoon, by the way.

LOL...Rick Warren is not credible and Wright isn't Obama's mentor for 20+ years...

This kind of thinking is why I'm thrilled not to be a liberal.

[Coach_Owens87]

LOL...Rick Warren is not credible and Wright isn't Obama's mentor for 20+ years...

This kind of thinking is why I'm thrilled not to be a liberal.

Who said he wasn't his mentor? And I think anyone who says all you have to do to get to heaven is give a little bit of yourself to Christ loses all credibility as a man of faith.

And why are you so thrilled about not being open minded?

favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant (The right wing)

These are all things I think everyone should be.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

This is why Im so glad I don't watch Faux News. I have a mind to think for myself.

[HOGWOLLOP]

LOL...Rick Warren is not credible and Wright isn't Obama's mentor for 20+ years...

This kind of thinking is why I'm thrilled not to be a liberal.

Cute. Rick Warren is what he is. Jeremiah Wright does not speak for Obama. If you read after the body of Wright's work, I might hear your voice. Since you probably haven't read anything that disagrees with your position since you were born, I take what you say with more than a grain of salt.

[jetpilot]

Cute. Rick Warren is what he is. Jeremiah Wright does not speak for Obama. If you read after the body of Wright's work, I might hear your voice. Since you probably haven't read anything that disagrees with your position since you were born, I take what you say with more than a grain of salt.

And since you act like you know what I read when you don't have a clue, I will assume you always don't know what you are talking about.

[jetpilot]

Who said he wasn't his mentor? And I think anyone who says all you have to do to get to heaven is give a little bit of yourself to Christ loses all credibility as a man of faith.

And why are you so thrilled about not being open minded?

favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant (The right wing)

These are all things I think everyone should be.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal

This is why Im so glad I don't watch Faux News. I have a mind to think for myself.

LOL, do you believe your own crap? You are the least open minded person I have ever seen on a message board. Everything that comes from you is the standard liberal crap talking points. In other words, you are brainwashed by the liberal blogs- the opposite of thinking for yourself.

[thecavemaster]

And since you act like you know what I read when you don't have a clue, I will assume you always don't know what you are talking about.

Name the last book you read which argued a point(s) which disagreed with your political beliefs.

[Coach_Owens87]

LOL, do you believe your own crap? You are the least open minded person I have ever seen on a message board. Everything that comes from you is the standard liberal crap talking points.

SO having a different opinion than yours means im close minded?

I would bet anything that you are a avid viewer of fox news, with their slandering banners, and hate speech, which is always directed at anyone not a republican. I would be more apt to listen to your opinions on things if you didnt always spit out the same crap with no facts to back it up.

Youre still the one talking about Jeremiah wright, months after this story has been laid to rest, but no one mentions McCains past with preachers like Hagee? Im the one giving links to my information, while your just using rhetoric. Please tell me how researching, and coming to me own conclusion is closed minded?

Just what is the standard liberal crap talking points? Oh wait, you'll have to listen to O'rielly tonight to know what to cry about next.

[jammin' jamey]

Because the question isn't where life begins, the question is does life ever stop?

It stops when folks like Obama choose to support abortion.

As for McCain and sins, let the first person who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. I posted earlier that I believe both candidates are not practicing Christians. Yet, McCain gave answers to Warren and the crowd that supported his religion, Obama did not.

McCain is entertaining the thoughts of Joe Lieberman as a smoke screen. It's getting headlines and that's all that matters. No way will Maverick McCain pick Lieberman, because he will lose what backing he has with the far right and lose everything he gained from the Saddleback meeting. Talking about Joe Lieberman is more airtime for McCain and less for BHO.

I find it funny the democrats I've talked to in east Kentucky that say, "I'm not going to vote." They're too ashamed to admit that they don't like Obama, but they can't go against the party line because they're afraid of "4 more years of Bush" which is the only attack Obama has on McCain, plus they don't know how to vote for individual candidates because all they've ever done in a general election is push the party button in the booth. Be a free thinker.

I want a candidate that represents what I believe. I will not vote for a candidate that in my mind is on a higher level than myself or my beliefs. McCain didn't come off self-righteous in the Saddleback meeting. That's why Obama will lose the election. His celebrity that the press loves will be his Achillies Heel in the end. If Obama doesn't appeal to Hillary voters (like myself) then states will go red all over again in the middle half of this country. People in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Indiana, Michigan and the heartland pick presidents, not Hollywood or NBC News.

[jetpilot]

SO having a different opinion than yours means im close minded?

Youre still the one talking about Jeremiah wright, months after this story has been laid to rest, but no one mentions McCains past with preachers like Hagee? Im the one giving links to my information, while your just using rhetoric. Please tell me how researching, and coming to me own conclusion is closed minded?

Just what is the standard liberal crap talking points?

LOL, you do your own research on ultra-liberal blogs, watch all the ultra-liberal newscasts, and arrive at the ultra-liberal position every single time.

[jetpilot]

Name the last book you read which argued a point(s) which disagreed with your political beliefs.

"The Audacity of Hope"

[jetpilot]

It stops when folks like Obama choose to support abortion.

As for McCain and sins, let the first person who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. I posted earlier that I believe both candidates are not practicing Christians. Yet, McCain gave answers to Warren and the crowd that supported his religion, Obama did not.

McCain is entertaining the thoughts of Joe Lieberman as a smoke screen. It's getting headlines and that's all that matters. No way will Maverick McCain pick Lieberman, because he will lose what backing he has with the far right and lose everything he gained from the Saddleback meeting. Talking about Joe Lieberman is more airtime for McCain and less for BHO.

I find it funny the democrats I've talked to in east Kentucky that say, "I'm not going to vote." They're too ashamed to admit that they don't like Obama, but they can't go against the party line because they're afraid of "4 more years of Bush" which is the only attack Obama has on McCain, plus they don't know how to vote for individual candidates because all they've ever done in a general election is push the party button in the booth. Be a free thinker.

I want a candidate that represents what I believe. I will not vote for a candidate that in my mind is on a higher level than myself or my beliefs. McCain didn't come off self-righteous in the Saddleback meeting. That's why Obama will lose the election. His celebrity that the press loves will be his Achillies Heel in the end. If Obama doesn't appeal to Hillary voters (like myself) then states will go red all over again in the middle half of this country. People in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Indiana, Michigan and the heartland pick presidents, not Hollywood or NBC News.

Excellent.

[Coach_Owens87]

It stops when folks like Obama choose to support abortion.

As for McCain and sins, let the first person who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. I posted earlier that I believe both candidates are not practicing Christians. Yet, McCain gave answers to Warren and the crowd that supported his religion, Obama did not.

McCain is entertaining the thoughts of Joe Lieberman as a smoke screen. It's getting headlines and that's all that matters. No way will Maverick McCain pick Lieberman, because he will lose what backing he has with the far right and lose everything he gained from the Saddleback meeting. Talking about Joe Lieberman is more airtime for McCain and less for BHO.

I find it funny the democrats I've talked to in east Kentucky that say, "I'm not going to vote." They're too ashamed to admit that they don't like Obama, but they can't go against the party line because they're afraid of "4 more years of Bush" which is the only attack Obama has on McCain, plus they don't know how to vote for individual candidates because all they've ever done in a general election is push the party button in the booth. Be a free thinker.

I want a candidate that represents what I believe. I will not vote for a candidate that in my mind is on a higher level than myself or my beliefs. McCain didn't come off self-righteous in the Saddleback meeting. That's why Obama will lose the election. His celebrity that the press loves will be his Achillies Heel in the end. If Obama doesn't appeal to Hillary voters (like myself) then states will go red all over again in the middle half of this country. People in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Missouri, Indiana, Michigan and the heartland pick presidents, not Hollywood or NBC News.

If you really think Im ashamed to admit that I dont like Obama, then you're more confused than I first thought. I like most of Obama's stances on everything besides energy, which is one of my main concerns. McCains stance on energy isnt any better, which is why I dont know if im going to vote in what will be my first chance to vote in a presidential election. It has nothing to do with party lines, Im just not hearing what I want to on one of my top concerns.

The notion that tying bush to McCain is the only attack obama has against him is crazy. The reason this attack is used so much is becuase Bush is arguable the worst president in the History of the US, and Mccain has voted with him over 90% of the time. So electing him would essential mean we are re-electing 90% of the worst president ever!

McCain has been a constant flip-flopper on all issues, and his knowledge on affairs dealing with terrorism is laughable.

[jammin' jamey]

Youre still the one talking about Jeremiah wright, months after this story has been laid to rest, but no one mentions McCains past with preachers like Hagee?

McCain distanced himself from Hagee without using a "second press conference". McCain admitted that he had never set foot in the Cornerstone church as well. The left wing media used that to try and spin the Wright story.

Does it not bother anyone else that Obama spent 20 years or something in Wright's church? Doesn't it bother you to hear what Wright has preached on and know that's greatly influenced Obama, who was married in the church and had his kids dedicated there? It should bother you even more that it took Wright press club debacle for Obama to finally cut his ties with the man.

I'll talk about Jeremiah Wright up until November and after if Obama is elected.

Besides, why are liberals wanting to drop the Wright story anyway? Sweep it under the rug before more people learn just who is BHO?