[Aslan]

The best to ever live

:thumpsup:

[Jarons]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

[sherman14]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

Great Post!!!!:rockon: :1:

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

I understand. and BTW great post if only everybody was like you :biggrin:

[DevilsWin]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

Yes, great post!:Thumbs:

[Aslan]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

Good post! :thumpsup:

[BFritz]

But it was made by God, so what should it matter? Why does exactly it needed to be tilted to sustain life?

It matters because God made us smart enough to figure out what was true and what was not, what is likely and what is not, and to ask questions, rather than just settling to accept things because people say that they are true.

It doesn't need to be on a tilt to sustain life, but it needs to be on a tilt to sustain the amount of life that it does and provide the things that it does for a few different reasons:

1. The seasons- without the tilt, the equatorial regions and anywhere near there would be untolerably hot, and, likewise, the regions more towards the poles would be unbearably cold.
2. With no tilt, only about 50% of the world's crops would be able to live and grow, so not enough food would be available and people and animals would die.
3. With no tilt, ice would accumulate at the poles which would cause problems.
4. With no tilt, the warm and cold air masses would remain stationary, which would mean that there were no weather patterns, which means problems for plants and other things that depend on that.
5. If the tilt were doubled, the days and nights would be longer in the different seasons, and most of the earth would be unbearably hot or unbearably cold.

Even the days being 24 hours works out perfectly and seems to be planned. If the days were longer or shorter, most human and animal tendencies would be impossible.

That's a few reasons, but there's more.

[MrRight]

food for thought:
Modern days, and calendar for that matter weren't created until the height of the Roman empire. So the bible, COULD NOT be talking about literal days as we know them.
Also, It's a scientific fact that "spontaneous Generation" or "something from nothing" is possible in vacuum. Thus proves that Creationism is for people who refuse to believe facts.
think about this, if god knows evil but doesn't stop it...that makes him malevolent and he condones it. If he is blind to the evil, that makes him not omniscient and not all-knowing. and if he doesn't know it, and doesn't stop it, then why do you call him God? if you think about the reason you don't believe in gods of hindu and Buddhism, then you'll understand why it's impossible to believe the bible

[BFritz]

food for thought:
Modern days, and calendar for that matter weren't created until the height of the Roman empire. So the bible, COULD NOT be talking about literal days as we know them.
Also, It's a scientific fact that "spontaneous Generation" or "something from nothing" is possible in vacuum. Thus proves that Creationism is for people who refuse to believe facts.
think about this, if god knows evil but doesn't stop it...that makes him malevolent and he condones it. If he is blind to the evil, that makes him not omniscient and not all-knowing. and if he doesn't know it, and doesn't stop it, then why do you call him God? if you think about the reason you don't believe in gods of hindu and Buddhism, then you'll understand why it's impossible to believe the bible

Ever hear of miracles?

I believe that the earth wasn't created in 7 days, but God told the people of the time that it was 7 days to give them an explanation of where they came from, as they were too simple minded to comprehend the big picture of creation. But God put it all into motion- he had to have- there had to have been an original artist, to set it all in motion

As for allowing evil, God gave humans free-will, which is one of the best gifts, if not the best gift, that He gave us.

[Stardust]

Ever hear of miracles?

I believe that the earth wasn't created in 7 days, but God told the people of the time that it was 7 days to give them an explanation of where they came from, as they were too simple minded to comprehend the big picture of creation. But God put it all into motion- he had to have- there had to have been an original artist, to set it all in motion

As for allowing evil, God gave humans free-will, which is one of the best gifts, if not the best gift, that He gave us.

BFritz, I really like and appreciate your post. Though I do believe in the literal interpretation of 7 days (Christ spoke of this), but I am with you on all other parts. :Thumbs:

[Kentucky_Liberal]

So Why is this thread dead?

[sherman14]

BFritz, I really like and appreciate your post. Though I do believe in the literal interpretation of 7 days (Christ spoke of this), but I am with you on all other parts. :Thumbs:

It was six days genius. He rested on the seventh.

[Deathstar 80]

food for thought:
Modern days, and calendar for that matter weren't created until the height of the Roman empire. So the bible, COULD NOT be talking about literal days as we know them.

I'm pretty sure the bible didn't mention the modern-day calendar. It mentions the Jewish calendar.

Also, It's a scientific fact that "spontaneous Generation" or "something from nothing" is possible in vacuum. Thus proves that Creationism is for people who refuse to believe facts.

What are the chances of this? I'm pretty sure it's 1/1x10^25 or something like that. If I'm wrong, then please look up the chances for yourself and tell us. Yet, if this is the right number, then "something from nothing" is virtually impossible. (I'll try to find the number myself. If I do, then I'll post it later.)

think about this, if god knows evil but doesn't stop it...that makes him malevolent and he condones it. If he is blind to the evil, that makes him not omniscient and not all-knowing. and if he doesn't know it, and doesn't stop it, then why do you call him God? if you think about the reason you don't believe in gods of hindu and Buddhism, then you'll understand why it's impossible to believe the bible

God is all-knowing, yet he doesn't interrupt in man's free will (which is what BFriz said earlier). God trulyhates sin, yet he truly loves us. He could stop sin, but he doesn't want to treat us as puppets. God wants us to be his children. If you have a child, then you know you don't want him to go against you, yet I'm sure you don't want to control his actions as if he's a puppet. You simply would want your child to decide for himself/herself to obey you.

if god knows evil but doesn't stop it...that makes him malevolent and he condones it.

Is God malevolent for sending his son Jesus to die for us and to take the bad decisions we've made and to put all of our sins on his son?

[BFritz]

BFritz, I really like and appreciate your post. Though I do believe in the literal interpretation of 7 days (Christ spoke of this), but I am with you on all other parts. :Thumbs:

Fair enough, and I do respect your thoughts :Thumbs: But I just think that God made us smart enough to know the truth so we wouldn't just blindly accept the things that were told to the people of the time.

But, then again, maybe God made things so we would be able to find "scientific" contradictions, but them actually be false and we're just supposed to have faith.

Either way, God created everything:rockon:

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Fair enough, and I do respect your thoughts :Thumbs: But I just think that God made us smart enough to know the truth so we wouldn't just blindly accept the things that were told to the people of the time.

But, then again, maybe God made things so we would be able to find "scientific" contradictions, but them actually be false and we're just supposed to have faith.

Either way, God created everything:rockon:

I think the evolution/creationism debate is a dead end because even if evolution is true (rather you want to admit it or not there is evidence) you can neither disprove god or prove him which means he could be involved with both theories such as he could've put evolution in motion and kept his eyes over it. or that he created everything End of story.

[sherman14]

I think the evolution/creationism debate is a dead end because even if evolution is true (rather you want to admit it or not there is evidence) you can neither disprove god or prove him which means he could be involved with both theories such as he could've put evolution in motion and kept his eyes over it. or that he created everything End of story.

Lets see your facts.

[Stardust]

I think the evolution/creationism debate is a dead end because even if evolution is true (rather you want to admit it or not there is evidence) you can neither disprove god or prove him which means he could be involved with both theories such as he could've put evolution in motion and kept his eyes over it. or that he created everything End of story.

Not to a Christian. A Christian believes that the Bible is inspired writing, thus the proof of Crationism is accounted for, but evolution is not.

[JMEWLS]

Ok, I am a Christian, and I believe in God in every possible way. But you must understand Darwin's Theory of Evolution before you put it to disregard.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution has 5 main points:

-Organisms produce many offspring. (True)
-All offspring require resources to survive. (True)
-Resources are limited. (True)
-Their is competition between the offspring for these limited resources. (True)
-Winners get the chance to reproduce. (True)

The Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with man descending from apes. Darwin released a book years after "On the Origin of Species, By Means of Natural Selection", which was titled "The Origin of Man" this is where Darwin first proposed the idea that man descended from apes.

But I do have a problem with the evolution theory, Darwin proposed that all life began with the Big Bang, but how did the matter for the Big Bang get there? Something always had to be there, there has to be an infinite source of life somewhere.

He says it was all created in 6 Days, but does he state that it was 6 24 hour days? Does it not state in the bible that 1 day to God could be hundreds of thousands of years to man? Maybe those 6 days were the process of everything evolving to where it is today?

I do believe in God, and I love him dearly. But I will not close my thoughts to other ideas, because the ability to think is what seperates us from other animals, so we must excersise it.

:Thumbs:

[outdoorsman43]

Very interesting thread. I read this for the first time at 2:00am and thought about this for the rest of the night. I originally was not going to post anything but this thread just kept running through my head. I myself am a christian. I am a new christian. My wife and I were baptized in January. Eventhough I seldom went to church, I have always felt that God created the world and Jesus died for us. I never believed in evolution, it never made any sense to me. I am not going to condone someone who does believe in evolution. Those people who are condeming others such as Kentucky Liberal for being an atheist and accepting evolution are the type of christians that drove me away from the church for 20+ years. I had a sunday school teacher condem my father because he did not go to church. That lady never knew my father. I became angry at the church because of that lady. Who knows, Kentucky Liberal may be a great person who will give you his/her shirt. Because he/she is an atheist, does that make him a bad person? One of the best ways to spead the gospel is to accept and love everybody as they are. Don't try telling them their views are wrong. Maybe by our actions as christians he will realize that God is the way to go. Forcing religion on someone is a huge turn off. If the person is ready to go to God, he will get the message and go on his own. For many years, I felt that God is someone you worship who created all of us, not something you feel. The first time I felt God's presence in me was when my wife got baptized. It was a wonderful feeling. It was a similar feeling that I had when my children were born and my wedding day. I was baptized the next day. I never thought I would get baptized because I felt that I was not "religious" enough. The primary reason I started going back to church as an adult was because my wife wanted to go and never been, so I went to support her and I did not want my children growing up skeptical of the church like me. Look where it landed me. I am at peace for the first time in my life and my marriage is stronger than ever. God talks to you in different ways. To answer the question of the thread, yes God does exist.



BTW Kentucky Liberal, I am not trying to single you out, your name is the only one I could remember. I am in no way trying to offend you.

Very solid post. This is one everyone should read.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Not to a Christian. A Christian believes that the Bible is inspired writing, thus the proof of Crationism is accounted for, but evolution is not.

How is the proof of Creationism accounted for? Besides the bible and other holy books i mean scientific evidence.

And if a christian can't why does the catholic church endorse it? their christian's too

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Ok, I am a Christian, and I believe in God in every possible way. But you must understand Darwin's Theory of Evolution before you put it to disregard.

Darwin's Theory of Evolution has 5 main points:

-Organisms produce many offspring. (True)
-All offspring require resources to survive. (True)
-Resources are limited. (True)
-Their is competition between the offspring for these limited resources. (True)
-Winners get the chance to reproduce. (True)

The Theory of Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with man descending from apes. Darwin released a book years after "On the Origin of Species, By Means of Natural Selection", which was titled "The Origin of Man" this is where Darwin first proposed the idea that man descended from apes.

But I do have a problem with the evolution theory, Darwin proposed that all life began with the Big Bang, but how did the matter for the Big Bang get there? Something always had to be there, there has to be an infinite source of life somewhere.

He says it was all created in 6 Days, but does he state that it was 6 24 hour days? Does it not state in the bible that 1 day to God could be hundreds of thousands of years to man? Maybe those 6 days were the process of everything evolving to where it is today?

I do believe in God, and I love him dearly. But I will not close my thoughts to other ideas, because the ability to think is what seperates us from other animals, so we must excersise it.

:Thumbs:

Good Post :notworthy . Exactly The point i was trying to convey. Evolution doesn't have anything to do with The big bang. Because Evolution only explains what happend
when we got here not how

[sherman14]

Good Post :notworthy . Exactly The point i was trying to convey. Evolution doesn't have anything to do with The big bang. Because Evolution only explains what happend
when we got here not how

Decent.

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Decent.

:confused: what? sherman actually partly complimenting me?..lol...thanks man:biggrin:

[sherman14]

:confused: what? sherman actually partly complimenting me?..lol...thanks man:biggrin:

Not really.

[Stardust]

How is the proof of Creationism accounted for? Besides the bible and other holy books i mean scientific evidence.

And if a christian can't why does the catholic church endorse it? their christian's too

Whoa, you want scientific proof of Evolution, then one must prescribe that Science can be recreated in a lab. Scientist are still baffled at the Thoery of a Big Bang. They have never yet been able to create a Big Bang that sparks the generation of lifecells, and they have been trying.

[outdoorsman43]

Whoa, you want scientific proof of Evolution, then one must prescribe that Science can be recreated in a lab. Scientist are still baffled at the Thoery of a Big Bang. They have never yet been able to create a Big Bang that sparks the generation of lifecells, and they have been trying.

Scientists can try all they want. Good luck to them and to whoever wants to prove the Big Bang Theory.:biggrin:

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Whoa, you want scientific proof of Evolution, then one must prescribe that Science can be recreated in a lab. Scientist are still baffled at the Thoery of a Big Bang. They have never yet been able to create a Big Bang that sparks the generation of lifecells, and they have been trying.

The Big Bang isn't evolution that's why it's the big bang theory not they big bang/evolution theory....I myself don't prescribe to the big bang. But evolution i do accept because there is actual evidence of it.

[outdoorsman43]

The Big Bang isn't evolution that's why it's the big bang theory not they big bang/evolution theory....I myself don't prescribe to the big bang. But evolution i do accept because there is actual evidence of it.

Oh there is?

What is the evidence? I would love to know!

[Kentucky_Liberal]

Oh there is?

What is the evidence? I would love to know!

Which Kind? Human? Plant?..oh and why is the burden of evidence on me. Give me some proof of creationism?
---------------- Listening to: Arcade Fire - Neon Bible

[JMEWLS]

Evidence of evolution is all around you. And as Kentucky Liberal said, the Big Bang and evolution are totally different, and not related at all. Charles Darwin outlined what he called "descent with modification" meaning that all life on Earth came from a common set of ancestors. You want evolution proof? Look at fossil records, just keep your mind open and think about it, evolution is proven, evolution happens everyday and everywhere around you, there is no way you can disprove it.