[Beetle01]

I already take care of full blown AIDS patients. Thats not the problem. It is the situation you are in. Im just stating the statistics show that allowing gays to openly serve and partake in their sexual activities without repercussion is going to lead to an epidemic in the military. That is my opinion on the subject, and unless someone can offer some type of evidence that I am wrong other than their political opinion, I think Ill stick with it.

[Matman]

FELONS in the Military

The New York Times and Associated Press reported today that the number of felons allowed to serve in the military has surged since the invasion of Iraq nearly four years ago. The data, which were obtained by the Michael D. Palm Center at UC-Santa Barbara, show that both the military is letting in more recruits with serious criminal backgrounds, records of drug abuse, inferior educational attainment and other qualities which require a so-called "moral waiver" to allow young Americans to don a military uniform and deploy to the frontlines. It is a measure of how desperate our armed forces are to fill their ranks with bodies to fight in an increasingly unpopular war. (The data are posted at palmcenter.org)

Like i said easier we hit our recruitment goals the fewer waivers will be accepted. During times of war we drop our standards. A felon can not serve in the military. However with a waiver anyone can serve. However they will not be authorized security clearances. That will hinder their promotions and jobs they can fill. In order to do my job in the military you must pocess a top secret clearance due the missions we do and equipment/technology we use.

[thetribe]

The FDA, CDC, CBC, WHO all consider homosexuality a health risk. So much so that even if you have had just 1 homosexual encounter since 1977 you are barred for life from donating blood. Also, the most at risk populace for HIV is the homosexual community, especially males.
Granted everyone is at risk for this disease if they participate in unprotected sex, but the facts don't lie, the risk and the increase in the spread of the disease is much much much much much greater in the homosexual community.

For someone who operates as a medic Congressman, I think this is something you would be concerned about. While there is always a risk for the disease, statistics proove that it is much greater risk for spread in a war zone. Now you take a few guys over who are HIV positive, they begin participating in unprotected sex, it begins to spread. It can begin to be spread within 3 days of contracting, yet it may not show up for months on blood tests. So then a medic like yourself gets it, then you are performing other medic duties on soldiers with open wounds, and it spreads even more.

You're opening our soldiers up to even more risks.
I plan on enlisting in the reserves as soon as Im finished with nursing school, however, if this occurs I will not do so.

You may want to read this before you embark on your career in nursing:

I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician, in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

From what I gather from your post, if you are unwilling to join the Reserves as you wish to do if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military then I question your ability to provide care to the best of your ability to openly gays that you encounter!

[vundy33]

As of right now, a felon cannot recieve a waiver to get in the Army. They could when I came in 2 years ago but not now, the Army is kicking people out over everything these days, we went way past the recruiting quota that they set.

[Beetle01]

You may want to read this before you embark on your career in nursing:

I solemnly pledge myself before God and in the presence of this assembly, to pass my life in purity and to practice my profession faithfully. I will abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous, and will not take or knowingly administer any harmful drug. I will do all in my power to maintain and elevate the standard of my profession, and will hold in confidence all personal matters committed to my keeping and all family affairs coming to my knowledge in the practice of my calling. With loyalty will I endeavor to aid the physician, in his work, and devote myself to the welfare of those committed to my care.

From what I gather from your post, if you are unwilling to join the Reserves as you wish to do if gays are allowed to serve openly in the military then I question your ability to provide care to the best of your ability to openly gays that you encounter!

There is no unwillingly joining for me, if they take away the Don't ask Don't tell, then I am not joining, plain and simple.

I take care of openly gay patients now. Doesn't bother me one bit, and I give them the best care I can, like every other patient. BTW every HIV/AIDS patient I have taken care of is openly gay. Which is about 8 of them.

Its not that I wouldn't take better or worse care of anyone. Im not going to put myself in that situation, where I could be treating battle wounds, in a battlefield setting, knowing that the risk of that person having HIV has gone up 10 fold or more. That's all Im saying. It is the battlefield type setting that is most concerning, when there are going to be multiple open cuts and a lot more stress in the situation than even a normal trauma room. That's when mistakes happen.

If I knew for a fact I would be in a non-combat area doing my job, then this would not be an issue, but there is no guarantee of that.

[CatDawg]

Your comments show exactly why almost every EMT / Medic hates to see a nurse or doctor on scene of an accident when they roll up. Other than Flight nurses whom are use to having to think on their feet in an uncontrolled setting, the others are usually no help at all on a trauma scene. You don't need to be in the field at all if you are that concerned about coming into contact with something. Guess what sometimes you actually have to help patients that are bleeding without having any PPE for yourself.

[TheRealVille]

Again which one's pay taxes and which dont. It's a figure of speech answer, ya know.

No it wasn't me, but I understand there was a Magoffin Co. transplant (that moved to the big city...er 'ville) that called in and wanted to know who to call to see if he could drive the thing.

lol.... "Hicks"....... and your from what highly sophisticated metropolitan area again?

"Hicks" meaning the people that call in that can barely put a sentence together and all they worry about in the county is a "gay float". You seem kind of homophobic, like some of the callers.

[Mr.Kimball]

"Hicks" meaning the people that call in that can barely put a sentence together and all they worry about in the county is a "gay float". You seem kind of homophobic, like some of the callers.

Still no answers to the questions, I see.

[TheRealVille]

Still no answers to the questions, I see.

What questions?

[Wildcatk23]

Still no answers to the questions, I see.

What questions?

Do you 2 just hate each other?

[vundy33]

Yeah really men stop arguing and talk about the **** topic.

[Mr.Kimball]

Do you 2 just hate each other?

Naw, actually we are buddies. You know how brothers sometimes fight all the time? Ya see, that's me and the 'Ville. He is one of those way out there radicals on about every subject, sometimes appears that he has absolutely no morals whatsoever, and never says anything that well, makes the first lick of sense, while I am one of those cool guys that resorts to the common sense approach of looking at things . You all have heard how opposites attract? Well, then wonder no more of our unique bond. Our correspondences, well,............ now that's just our way, dont ya know. He didn't used to get so personal about everything, but he just decided one day that it was more fun that way, so I, being the jokester that I am, was more than willing to spice it up, right back. Kinda, a back at cha babe, sort of deal. It put a new twist on our relationship. Sorta added a "wow" factor to it.

I do have to give him credit however. That "coal is killing our kids" thingy was an instant classic. One that will go down in BGR lore forever. You see, that's the kind of thought provocativeness that is just constantly oozing and ready to burst out of that thought tank at any moment. One must constantly be prepared to counter such wisdom with speed that rivals spliting an atom.

Now can you see things more clearly?

[congressman]

You said the key word waiver. Those waivers are being restricted more and more. As we hit our recruitment goals. there are less needs for waivers. And no felons can not serve. And don't call me MR kid. I'm guessing your a lower enlisted pvt or spc type.

So can they or not? You said waivers exist, then say that felons can not serve? I'm lost. So are you apparently. Mr. EOD.

My bad, you probably couldn't make it as a Chief...

And yes, I'm an E-1. 12 year E-1. Homosexual Felon. Gotta run though... Have to hit the crack pipe before I go back to work. :thatsfunn:thatsfunn

Listen Matman. First you tell me what my job is, and what I should be doing. You're an Whiskey AIT instructor? Maybe I missed something. Then you take rank away from. Call me Kid. And then lie about felons serving in the military. Anything else you'd like to add? Oh! I'm also a fat body, marksman, sick call ranger. Dude, chill. Just because you don't feel comfortable with having a homosexual in your unit, doesn't mean everyone else is. I love my gay friends. They serve honorably. Gentlemen, Mr.'s, and enlisted. Active by the way, not reserve. :biggrin: I suppose reservist have too much free time to be catching AIDS.. Active duty are too busy training. Those two weeks a year catching up with ya?

[vundy33]

Naw, actually we are buddies. You know how brothers sometimes fight all the time? Ya see, that's me and the 'Ville. He is one of those way out there radicals on about every subject, sometimes appears that he has absolutely no morals whatsoever, and never says anything that well, makes the first lick of sense, while I am one of those cool guys that resorts to the common sense approach of looking at things . You all have heard how opposites attract? Well, then wonder no more of our unique bond. Our correspondences, well,............ now that's just our way, dont ya know. He didn't used to get so personal about everything, but he just decided one day that it was more fun that way, so I, being the jokester that I am, was more than willing to spice it up, right back. Kinda, a back at cha babe, sort of deal. It put a new twist on our relationship. Sorta added a "wow" factor to it.

I do have to give him credit however. That "coal is killing our kids" thingy was an instant classic. One that will go down in BGR lore forever. You see, that's the kind of thought provocativeness that is just constantly oozing and ready to burst out of that thought tank at any moment. One must constantly be prepared to counter such wisdom with speed that rivals spliting an atom.

Now can you see things more clearly?

:lmao:


I think you two have taken over Old School's and Coach Owen's spot as the best...well, i can't really think of the word right now but you know how they always argue. lol.

Now back to the subject...

[vundy33]

So can they or not? You said waivers exist, then say that felons can not serve? I'm lost. So are you apparently. Mr. EOD.

My bad, you probably couldn't make it as a Chief...

And yes, I'm an E-1. 12 year E-1. Homosexual Felon. Gotta run though... Have to hit the crack pipe before I go back to work. :thatsfunn:thatsfunn

Listen Matman. First you tell me what my job is, and what I should be doing. You're an Whiskey AIT instructor? Maybe I missed something. Then you take rank away from. Call me Kid. And then lie about felons serving in the military. Anything else you'd like to add? Oh! I'm also a fat body, marksman, sick call ranger. Dude, chill. Just because you don't feel comfortable with having a homosexual in your unit, doesn't mean everyone else is. I love my gay friends. They serve honorably. Gentlemen, Mr.'s, and enlisted. Active by the way, not reserve. :biggrin: I suppose reservist have too much free time to be catching AIDS.. Active duty are too busy training. Those two weeks a year catching up with ya?

I usually don't really like your posts but that was funny...I actually know a 15-year E-1...That's what driving drunk does for you.

[Mr.Kimball]

So can they or not? You said waivers exist, then say that felons can not serve? I'm lost. So are you apparently. Mr. EOD.

My bad, you probably couldn't make it as a Chief...

And yes, I'm an E-1. 12 year E-1. Homosexual Felon. Gotta run though... Have to hit the crack pipe before I go back to work. :thatsfunn:thatsfunn

Listen Matman. First you tell me what my job is, and what I should be doing. You're an Whiskey AIT instructor? Maybe I missed something. Then you take rank away from. Call me Kid. And then lie about felons serving in the military. Anything else you'd like to add? Oh! I'm also a fat body, marksman, sick call ranger. Dude, chill. Just because you don't feel comfortable with having a homosexual in your unit, doesn't mean everyone else is. I love my gay friends. They serve honorably. Gentlemen, Mr.'s, and enlisted. Active by the way, not reserve. :biggrin: I suppose reservist have too much free time to be catching AIDS.. Active duty are too busy training. Those two weeks a year catching up with ya?

I think you need to go back and reread post #45 and #46. Or perhaps just read them for the first time.

I'll just be frank and ask a simple question. Are you Gay yourself? If so, I can see why the defensiveness. I think an answer to that would clear a lot of things up, and give a better understanding of your hostilities toward rival opinions.

[congressman]

I think you need to go back and reread post #45 and #46. Or perhaps just read them for the first time.

I'll just be frank and ask a simple question. Are you Gay yourself? If so, I can see why the defensiveness. I think an answer to that would clear a lot of things up, and give a better understanding of your hostilities toward rival opinions.

No. I'm not gay. My wife would probably be a bit weirded out if I were. But what if I was? Where are you going with this? It never ceases to amaze me, and entertain me, how scared people are of what they don't understand.

I read 45 and 46. Now what do I do? I'll await your brilliance.

[congressman]

I already take care of full blown AIDS patients. Thats not the problem. It is the situation you are in. Im just stating the statistics show that allowing gays to openly serve and partake in their sexual activities without repercussion is going to lead to an epidemic in the military. That is my opinion on the subject, and unless someone can offer some type of evidence that I am wrong other than their political opinion, I think Ill stick with it.

You act as if heterosexual males will suddenly become gay and have relations with gay males if they're in the military. But not in civilian life. Do you have any clue how many AIDS tests we do a month on our soldiers? Its incredible. These are required tests, that are performed on routine basis. With gay males already in the military (and my understanding is that the number will rise only minimally, because most gays just lie and join anyways), and the EXTREMELY low hiv rate as compared to the general public... I can't understand what the big deal is. Further, what would you do if a femoral was cut in an accident on one of your full blown aids patients? Let them bleed out while you put on a space suit? Come on. Quit being scared. Its just a virus. You can only catch it once.

[Mr.Kimball]

No. I'm not gay. My wife would probably be a bit weirded out if I were. But what if I was? Where are you going with this? It never ceases to amaze me, and entertain me, how scared people are of what they don't understand.

I read 45 and 46. Now what do I do? I'll await your brilliance.

There, you go. I didn't say one thing out of the way to you, and there you go off. Anyone else says anything you dont agree with, you go off. Someone expresses their concerns for there own personal safety, you go off. Is that what it's like to see someone go through PTSD?

I suspect you really have some emotional issues going on here, that no doubt, are related to the incredible stress level you guys must be under over there. I can only imagine how awful it is.

Be safe and come home soon.

[Wildcatk23]

No. I'm not gay. [B][B]My wife would probably be a bit weirded out if I were[/B][/B]. But what if I was? Where are you going with this? It never ceases to amaze me, and entertain me, how scared people are of what they don't understand.

I read 45 and 46. Now what do I do? I'll await your brilliance.

That made me laugh. You cant get through to Mr.Kimball, He Offends people all the time then when someone else does it he asks why they would do that.

[Mr.Kimball]

That made me laugh. You cant get through to Mr.Kimball, He Offends people all the time then when someone else does it he asks why they would do that.

Naw, sometimes little kid deperately pretend-to-be, know-it-all grown ups just have problems learning what truth is and what fiction is. Kimball's just been around awhile and cant be spoofed on some of this foolishness. But yeah, I guess sometimes the truth does hurt when you learn it the hard way, thinking that you have all the answers but ain't never done nothing to begin with. That about right Wildcat? You kinda fit in the above category at times, wouldn't you say? Tell you what, I'll have a fry with that burger. They're made with potatoes , by the way, in case you need to google that up!! :yawn:

[thetribe]

You act as if heterosexual males will suddenly become gay and have relations with gay males if they're in the military. But not in civilian life. Do you have any clue how many AIDS tests we do a month on our soldiers? Its incredible. These are required tests, that are performed on routine basis. With gay males already in the military (and my understanding is that the number will rise only minimally, because most gays just lie and join anyways), and the EXTREMELY low hiv rate as compared to the general public... I can't understand what the big deal is. Further, what would you do if a femoral was cut in an accident on one of your full blown aids patients? Let them bleed out while you put on a space suit? Come on. Quit being scared. Its just a virus. You can only catch it once.

My thoughts exactly when I read Beetle's post as well.

[TheRealVille]

Naw, actually we are buddies. You know how brothers sometimes fight all the time? Ya see, that's me and the 'Ville. He is one of those way out there radicals on about every subject, sometimes appears that he has absolutely no morals whatsoever, and never says anything that well, makes the first lick of sense, while I am one of those cool guys that resorts to the common sense approach of looking at things . You all have heard how opposites attract? Well, then wonder no more of our unique bond. Our correspondences, well,............ now that's just our way, dont ya know. He didn't used to get so personal about everything, but he just decided one day that it was more fun that way, so I, being the jokester that I am, was more than willing to spice it up, right back. Kinda, a back at cha babe, sort of deal. It put a new twist on our relationship. Sorta added a "wow" factor to it.

I do have to give him credit however. That "coal is killing our kids" thingy was an instant classic. One that will go down in BGR lore forever. You see, that's the kind of thought provocativeness that is just constantly oozing and ready to burst out of that thought tank at any moment. One must constantly be prepared to counter such wisdom with speed that rivals spliting an atom.

Now can you see things more clearly?

:Thumbs: Well, I have to admit, this was funny. Really, I have great respect for your political views. I am just a little more liberal, LOL. It's all good. I personally, have plenty of morals. I just don't get all bent out of shape if other people choose to have less. That's between them and their God. And to whoever asked if we hated each other, no. I just like have a lot of fun with conservatives.

[Old School]

What's the matter with you Old School? Those are not our enemies, those are Mr.Obama's friends. Didnt you know, "The times, they are achangin."

Did I say enemies?.......Well, I guess I did, I'll have to take a mulligan on that one. :biggrin:

[Old School]

:lmao:


I think you two have taken over Old School's and Coach Owen's spot as the best...well, i can't really think of the word right now but you know how they always argue. lol.

Now back to the subject...

Humm......is this a complement or a jab, :biggrin: eitherway, I have to admit it was fun. :Thumbs:

[Matman]

So can they or not? You said waivers exist, then say that felons can not serve? I'm lost. So are you apparently. Mr. EOD.

My bad, you probably couldn't make it as a Chief...

And yes, I'm an E-1. 12 year E-1. Homosexual Felon. Gotta run though... Have to hit the crack pipe before I go back to work. :thatsfunn:thatsfunn

Listen Matman. First you tell me what my job is, and what I should be doing. You're an Whiskey AIT instructor? Maybe I missed something. Then you take rank away from. Call me Kid. And then lie about felons serving in the military. Anything else you'd like to add? Oh! I'm also a fat body, marksman, sick call ranger. Dude, chill. Just because you don't feel comfortable with having a homosexual in your unit, doesn't mean everyone else is. I love my gay friends. They serve honorably. Gentlemen, Mr.'s, and enlisted. Active by the way, not reserve. :biggrin: I suppose reservist have too much free time to be catching AIDS.. Active duty are too busy training. Those two weeks a year catching up with ya?

Listen here kid. I told you i have no problem with gays in the military. My problems are about timing. Maybe you should learn to read. I was on active duty. I was one of the first companies into Iraq in the invasion. Now i'm in the reserves. I gave it up because of my family and more money. However i still felt i need to have a commitment. I then was deployed again with the reserves. You are nothing but a fobbit and don't have enough time in service to know what you talking about. You have no clue. And yes i know a few things about medics. I was in charge of two while deployed. They got attached to my platoon. And i made it clear, felons can not serve without a waiver. With fewer waivers that means fewer felons. The high recruitment levels will do away with the waivers therefore doing a way with felons.

[Mr.Kimball]

:Thumbs: Well, I have to admit, this was funny. Really, I have great respect for your political views. I am just a little more liberal, LOL. It's all good. I personally, have plenty of morals. I just don't get all bent out of shape if other people choose to have less. That's between them and their God. And to whoever asked if we hated each other, no. I just like have a lot of fun with conservatives.

Mom would be so happy and proud, wouldn't she? :biggrin:

[TidesHoss32]

:Thumbs: Well, I have to admit, this was funny. Really, I have great respect for your political views. I am just a little more liberal, LOL. It's all good. I personally, have plenty of morals. I just don't get all bent out of shape if other people choose to have less. That's between them and their God. And to whoever asked if we hated each other, no. I just like have a lot of fun with conservatives.

I can vouch for this

[Wildcatk23]

Naw, sometimes little kid deperately pretend-to-be, know-it-all grown ups just have problems learning what truth is and what fiction is. Kimball's just been around awhile and cant be spoofed on some of this foolishness. But yeah, I guess sometimes the truth does hurt when you learn it the hard way, thinking that you have all the answers but ain't never done nothing to begin with. That about right Wildcat? You kinda fit in the above category at times, wouldn't you say? Tell you what, I'll have a fry with that burger. They're made with potatoes , by the way, in case you need to google that up!! :yawn:

Im not really sure what your going on about. I was just saying your just like every other person on this board. Your opinion is always right and it cant be changed. Also. Would u like a Drink or Shake with that Burger.

[Rooster Cogburn]

"Hicks" meaning the people that call in that can barely put a sentence together and all they worry about in the county is a "gay float". You seem kind of homophobic, like some of the callers.

The term "homophobic" really irritates me. Just because you do not agree with the homosexual lifestyle does not mean you fear gays.