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You quoted me tvto, didn't you notice my statement which was intended to draw attention to the dubious persuit of the self proclaimed higher beings in govenment that suppose themselves to be in a position to legislate on moral issues?

My position is that the concept of morality, much less the practice, is an edict handed down to man from the hand of God. Therefore the Bible being His infallable and inerrant Word, is the ultimate and only authority on the subject. The idea is that godly men in elected office would have some measure of sway over the legislative machinations coming out of Washington, state and local governments. It is the responsibility of the church to reach as many for Christ as possible to increase the odds of the Christian men and women getting elected to public office.

You have the same argument the Pharisees made to Christ 2000 years ago when they complained about the taxes they had to pay. God endorsed the adherance to the laws and dictates of government when He said "render unto Caesar what is Caesar's". Can you just imagine what kind of foolishness Caesar used his taxes for? Such is the nature of government. In our system fortunately we have some say about how our money is spent. This why I continue to stress to you and others that in all the world, and in all of history, the greatest country and system of government ever is here in the USA. Right has great sway over what is done in this country. By the way, I challenge you to find a situation or example of a nation or society in the scriptures that depict a social situation such as the one that you describe in your posts.

I really don't see how you or anyone can say that the repulicans dictate to people how they are to live, or how many times or to whom they can marry.
As far as I can tell they use the Bible as a model for marriage and as a general guide for what is moral, after all, God is the authority on those issues is He not? Don't tell me you're one of those that trully believe the Bible is open to any interpretation that may be dreamed up. If that were true how could God judge man since He will use His written Word to do so?

In many cases men have used the law to side step issues that are inconvient when tested by the precepts of scripture, so, they use the law of our land to circumvent God's law. Roe v Wade comes to mind as an example, and a few notable others that cannot be morally justified in light of the scriptures. To endorse immoral practices with our laws make us complicitous in that we make things legal that are not. That is why voting from an informed position is so important and why we should always vote for the candidate we most closely can support. If in fact, as stated in scripture, He does know "the number of hairs on our head", He knows how we vote. Magnify that same responsibily by a vast margin and you will have a good indicator as to the seriousness of the measure for which legislators are sure to be held into account. If you were running things how would you avoid this responsiblity that all law makers have over their heads when they try to legislate? I would think there would be quite a bit of pressure to do what is right.

First I did!

How many times on a ballot is it put about gay marriage?
How many times on a ballot is it put about wet/dry vote?
Who brings these two issues up? (republicans)

I again ask you which Bible are you talking about?

So you know how God is going to judge me? How about the Indian that never heard of God, do you know how is going to get judged?

Interperating the Bible... let me ask the King James Bible is that an interperation...the Catholic Bible... the Morman Bible... NIV...

Is this not an interperation (sp)? Do you believe there could be other books of the Bible? If not how do you explain that only 6 events were recorded after Jesus rose from the grave, within His forty days, but yet in Luke says there were many more things that could fill up the book after book.

Also just to point out the idea of morality. How many people would end wel-fare today? Mostly Republicans would, now think about giving to the poor and our moral obligation to help those less fortunite than us. Now you are going to say, it is the church's job! I would agree, but because the church failed(great depression era) things had to change.

Remember, if it fits your moral purpose it is ok, but if it fits another forget about it, it unjust, even though it is the law of the land.

Now saying all of this, I don't want to hijack this thread but if you start another thread dealing with morality and so forth, we will continue this discussion.