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i have been trying to tell these guys that it is as much a revenue problem as it is a spending problem that's when in 2001 and 2003 congress passed bush2 tax cuts they made them temp bush2 and reagan grew the gov more than any president in modern time if was not for bush2 and congress bailing out the banks and unemployement checks and food stamps and welfare 2008 would probaly be worse than the depression in the 30's and 40's it took us 9 yearts to get out of that mess