[TheRealThing]

^^ Come on tvtimeout. People use all kinds of sources on here. I use the Huffington Post all the time, as well as CBS and have quoted many notable libs such as Bill Maher, Alan Combs, Jehmu Greene, Bob Beckel, you get the idea.

You're posting all those links with pictures of China's smog problems just goes to support the argument rationally minded scientists and politicians have been making for some time now. That being, it makes little sense for the US to sacrificially ravage her own economy in an effort to fight the 'will-o-the-wisp' known as global warming, when nobody else on the planet gives a darn about it. For the US to fall on it's sword would be totally futile. Look at it like this; somebody like you could have bailed like sixty the whole time the Titanic was sinking and it would not have had any impact on the inevitable outcome. That ocean was still going to fill up that boat at the same rate, and she'd have slipped beneath those waves at exactly the same time no matter how hard you might have bailed water.

Same with this deal about carbon footprints and climate change. Why are we determined to sacrifice our culture, when the pollutants the rest of the world lets loose are so great we could never bail fast enough to make up for the sins of the other nations? Not to mention the fact that the tenets of global warming have been either debunked or shown to be downright fraud over the past 5 years. And, that's not the half of it. We could suspend all industrial and energy activity, and eliminate every last internal combustion engine on the face of the planet. We could kill every animal in the whole world (climatologists complain about the CO2 of their respirations, and all those farts they're responsible for, whew, LOL) and then we could all tie bags around our heads and suffocate ourselves to death. No more man made carbons, and no more animal made carbons. The earth would be back to ground zero. Even then, the H2O in the atmosphere would still be causing 20 times more greenhouse gas than all the polluting we humans, and the animals, cause by all of our combined activities. You must have missed what Dr Leslie Woodcock said, quoted in post #10 above, although it was enlarged, highlighted and underlined. No need to fall back and read it now, I'll put it up again for you. "water is a much more powerful greenhouse gas and there is 20 times more of it in our atmosphere [than carbon dioxide].

But, as to the rest of your links.

1) Deny all you want, the earth has stopped warming in what was arguably a very nearly undetectable rate over the past 100 years, (measurements range from a modest .9 degrees F, to 1.3 degrees F). Talk about something that would make one want to pull his hair out boy! I mean, we're talking a whole degree in a century here. And no change at all for the past 17 years. It's that sneaky CO2 hiding global warming. :please:

2) Storms at sea are not stronger.

3) Well, I'll have to say you got me on this last one. I probably would not cite, or read, a link to Aljazeera if, for no other reason that I would be leery of computer viruses. :biggrin: