[TheRealThing]

You make some fine points and I agree that much of the motivation of the framers was based on spiritual beliefs. Unfortunately, much of that foundation has been destroyed through new creations and broad interpretations of the text of the founding documents. And, in reality, the First Amendment provides for freedom from religion as well as freedom of religion. So, when those who are not spiritual push their agenda endlessly and those with strong spiritual beliefs do nothing to combat the growing tide, I believe both groups are equally guilty and both groups will be held accountable. The framers, using god's laws as a blueprint, gave us great documents to be used as the foundation and backbone of our republic. We have bastardized the principles set forth in those documents.

I often use the example of the man who plants a garden in the spring and then prays endlessly every day for a good harvest. At the time of harvest, he has no crop because he didn't hoe, weed, and water his garden. In other words, he was passive as are most churches and their members. We allow evil and our reaction is to either close our eyes or to pray and we do nothing else. It isn't working well, is it?

LOL well, we don't find ourselves here at this particular junction in history because we are innocent, that's for sure. The ills that have overtaken us are the wages of sloth.