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12-23-2020, 09:04 PM
(12-23-2020, 08:04 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote:(12-23-2020, 07:19 PM)Hoot Gibson Wrote:(12-23-2020, 07:15 PM)Cardfan1 Wrote: 1. Hooter, you will never condemn Trump. Don’t act like you will.Actually, I have condemned Trump far more than you ever will. I am just open minded enough to acknowledge that he has done an outstanding job in many areas.
2. This nation is full of people that have been abused by the justice system and Trump has chosen to pardon his friends and supporters. Period.
There really isn’t anything else to say.
Face facts, you started this thread because you thought Trump was abusing the power of the presidential pardon. You did so with no knowledge of how infrequently Trump has exercised the pardon power compared to other modern presidents.
Now that I have pointed out the facts, you are attacking me personally because you tried to make a case that just cannot be made. I understand. Really, I do.
I doubt you have condemned more than me.
Griping about his twitter is not much of a condemnation.
I started this thread to discuss the open misuse of this presidential power. He’s off to a good start.
Because he had no experience and had taken what I considered liberal positions before he became a presidential candidate, I thought then that he was a horrible presidential candidate. I have not changed my opinion. He was a horrible candidate.
At some point though, we have to strive to objectively judge the accomplishments of our elected officials. I objected to most of the tariffs that Trump imposed (aside from China) and started a thread on that topic. I also started a thread objecting to his opening position in negotiating an immigration bill with Democrats.
I have frequently criticized Trump's poor hires and his insistence on publicly humiliating most of the people that he has fired, instead of letting them save face with a resignation.
Overall, I believe that Trump has been the most honest president since George H. W. Bush and the most effective president at least since Ronald Reagan. His foreign policy accomplishments are only rivaled by Reagan among recent presidents.
I believe in voting for candidates based on their records, which is why I supported Ted Cruz in 2016. Trump had no record. Trump now has a long list of accomplishments to his credit and that is why I am enthusiastically supporting him in the 2020 election.
I have also watched Joe Biden's career over the years and I know how undistinguished his record has been. Democrats could have done much better. Had they nominated Tulsi Gabbard, I do not believe that they would have needed to resort to cheating in 2020. Hopefully, she will switch parties and run as a Republican in 2022.
This thread is just another example of your inability to exercise any objectivity about Donald Trump. If you wanted to argue against presidential pardons, I could respect your opinion. But, to criticize Trump for issuing far fewer pardons than recent Democrat presidents is just pure partisanship. In no way has Trump abused the pardon power unless you believe that Obama and Clinton were worse abusers of the pardon power.
Seeing is believing. Here are a couple of my threads from 2016.
The Case Against Donald Trump (pre-2016 election)
TRUMP OFFERS TO TRIPLE OBAMA'S AMNESTY NUMBER IN EXCHANGE FOR TOUGHER SECURITY LAWS
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Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-22-2020, 09:56 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-22-2020, 11:28 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 12:10 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 12:19 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 12:39 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 12:49 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 02:09 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-23-2020, 02:26 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-23-2020, 01:28 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 12:23 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 05:12 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 05:36 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 06:37 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-23-2020, 06:49 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 06:51 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-23-2020, 05:42 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by vector#1 - 12-23-2020, 05:55 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 06:25 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by vector#1 - 12-23-2020, 06:44 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 07:15 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 07:19 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 08:04 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 09:04 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 09:27 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 09:39 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-23-2020, 10:52 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-23-2020, 11:07 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-24-2020, 12:28 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by The Outsider - 12-24-2020, 12:45 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Old School Hound - 12-27-2020, 01:01 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-24-2020, 12:48 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-24-2020, 01:07 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-24-2020, 01:25 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-24-2020, 11:10 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-24-2020, 12:44 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-24-2020, 02:15 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-24-2020, 03:17 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-27-2020, 03:45 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by The Outsider - 12-27-2020, 12:55 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Spirit100 - 12-27-2020, 01:49 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-27-2020, 02:19 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-27-2020, 04:01 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-27-2020, 04:31 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by TheRealThing - 12-27-2020, 04:05 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 12-27-2020, 04:10 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 12-27-2020, 04:23 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 01-20-2021, 12:11 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by vector#1 - 01-20-2021, 12:14 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 01-20-2021, 12:30 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 01-20-2021, 10:18 AM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 01-20-2021, 12:11 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 01-20-2021, 12:16 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 01-20-2021, 12:29 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Hoot Gibson - 01-20-2021, 12:35 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Cardfan1 - 01-20-2021, 12:53 PM
RE: Trump Pardon Spree - by Old School Hound - 01-20-2021, 02:43 AM
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