[SocratesKy]

The fact: he messed up

Another fact: KHSAA just had a similar situation (except the kid actually attended the school and played) with bowling green. If you want a standard punishment/recommendation that will happen.. that’s the one to look to. Pretty sure their HC is the same guy and no wins are stripped.

Ashland will be “closely” monitored by the KHSAA IF anything happens. If it’s anything worse then they didn’t punish them and Bowling Green equally. 

Mays is dumb for talking that long and the Dad is a snake who I’ve never heard anyone praise. Hope that this situation blows over for the kid, cant imagine what all he’s gonna have to deal with on a personal level for the next 4 years because of this. Great young player!

Big difference.  An individual admitted to knowing and willing violating recruiting rules and had for years while recruiting a kid from rival school.  This is not an muddy water eligibility issue with a transfer.  

Statement on Bowling Green:

Other than an inadvertent violation of a residency issue based on a rules interpretation, there were no players deemed ineligible and as important no boys basketball coaches or high school administrators found to have done anything wrong during that season or at any other time.

Tremendous difference.

I wouldn’t say he admitted to anything other than talking to Bell, Spurlock, and a conversation with Deboard parents. Which there’s no physical evidence of any of that besides talking to a kids parent who didn’t ever enroll (spurlock)

Stating that kids enrolled before they became high school students to become eligible is not proof of recruiting, it’s just a fact. He never said he told them to do that.

Now don’t get me wrong, I do believe there’s some shady stuff happen. But as far as what they can actually prove I don’t believe the punishment will be what people will think.

The Dad won’t be happy with the results, Mays will keep his job.

You are correct I’ve not heard that he admitted anything.  I’m guessing because it’s in black and white on a RECORDING.

The coach could always argue that the man claiming to be Ashland's coach in the recording is an imposter who stole his phone, answered it when it rang, and then decided to play a prank on the caller.

I am sure that there must be some innocent reason why the recording makes it appear that Ashland has been recruiting basketball players. Maybe the boy's father took a page out of Jussie Smollett's playbook and hired an actor to play Coach Mays in a fake phone call. 

What happens in cases like this often comes down to the quality of legal representation that the person accused of wrongdoing can afford. If schools are not careful, they can end up paying hefty settlements to make the source of their problems to go away.

I’m not sure if you have heard the recording. He was CLEARLY recruiting.  Recruiting hard and referring to previous “transfers” AND  recruits.  Trying to get a kid to come to your school telling him how he would work his way to get him a D1 scholarship, stating how badly he wants and needs him to come to Ashland is (using anyone’s standards) iOS without a shadow of doubt classified as recruiting. Sure he did not say “I am recruiting your son” but there is way more than enough there that meets the KHSAA definition of recruiting. Obviously you haven’t listened to the recording.

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Big difference.  An individual admitted to knowing and willing violating recruiting rules and had for years while recruiting a kid from rival school.  This is not an muddy water eligibility issue with a transfer.  

Statement on Bowling Green:

Other than an inadvertent violation of a residency issue based on a rules interpretation, there were no players deemed ineligible and as important no boys basketball coaches or high school administrators found to have done anything wrong during that season or at any other time.

Tremendous difference.

I wouldn’t say he admitted to anything other than talking to Bell, Spurlock, and a conversation with Deboard parents. Which there’s no physical evidence of any of that besides talking to a kids parent who didn’t ever enroll (spurlock)

Stating that kids enrolled before they became high school students to become eligible is not proof of recruiting, it’s just a fact. He never said he told them to do that.

Now don’t get me wrong, I do believe there’s some shady stuff happen. But as far as what they can actually prove I don’t believe the punishment will be what people will think.

The Dad won’t be happy with the results, Mays will keep his job.

You are correct I’ve not heard that he admitted anything.  I’m guessing because it’s in black and white on a RECORDING.

The coach could always argue that the man claiming to be Ashland's coach in the recording is an imposter who stole his phone, answered it when it rang, and then decided to play a prank on the caller.

I am sure that there must be some innocent reason why the recording makes it appear that Ashland has been recruiting basketball players. Maybe the boy's father took a page out of Jussie Smollett's playbook and hired an actor to play Coach Mays in a fake phone call. 

What happens in cases like this often comes down to the quality of legal representation that the person accused of wrongdoing can afford. If schools are not careful, they can end up paying hefty settlements to make the source of their problems to go away.

I’m not sure if you have heard the recording. He was CLEARLY recruiting.  Recruiting hard and referring to previous “transfers” AND  recruits.  Trying to get a kid to come to your school telling him how he would work his way to get him a D1 scholarship, stating how badly he wants and needs him to come to Ashland is (using anyone’s standards) is without a shadow of doubt classified as recruiting. Sure he did not say “I am recruiting your son” but there is way more than enough there that meets the KHSAA definition of recruiting. Obviously you haven’t listened to the recording.

I’m not after anything.  It’s just ridiculous for the homers to say he wasn’t recruiting. I wish no ill will on anybody but it isn’t fair for a program to recruit in this nature when you have programs that dont recruit or aren’t strategically recruiting in this nature.  If it’s all ok to do then open the gates and let’s see which school can bring on the best players and win through recruiting.  If the penalty isn’t harsh then schools should and will go all in on recruiting. Programs across the region should then be transformed to display systems that can produce D1 athletes to recruit the best players.  It should not be Ashland alone that is allowed to do this.  The”3-stripe” money mentioned in the call is nothing compared to what boosters can bring to the table to lure kids in. 

The point to all this is is either allow it or go aggressively after the rule breakers.