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02-21-2007, 12:52 AM
> In response to the news blurb about the Marine who put two rounds in a
> wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:
>
> It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, we
> put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy
> wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot
> cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to ****
> around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on.
> org.
>
> Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey
> libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and
> abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a
> terrorist.Its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.
>
> By the way, in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not
> prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is another
> reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants."
> It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact.
>
> Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many
> people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.
>
> Here is your situation Marine: You just took fire from unlawful combatants
> (no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from
> a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their
> position as protection.
> But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're
> not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on
> fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s
> (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.
> So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and
> pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really
> popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them
> would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fire team's
> lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you
> think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Most of the time these are
> the guys with the grenade or vest made of explosives.
> Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already
> speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad which lets the
> terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud
> because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you
> know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still
> alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile
> (3seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at
> you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do? You double tap his head,
> and you go to the next room, that's what!!!
>
> What about the Geneva Convention and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff?
> What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first
> thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
>
> Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a
> perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute
> basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary, which
> is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to
> take prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the
> behaviour of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in
> Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end
> of no good are fundamentally the same. Marines end up getting hurt or die.
> So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this
> idiot and get on with the mission.
>
> If you are a veteran, then everything I have just written is self evident. If
> you are not a veteran, then at least try to put yourself in the situation.
> Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no
> tomorrow, there is only now . Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a
> week? If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the
> big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines
> in jail for "War Crimes".
>
> Froggy OUT.
Raymond M. Hajewski
> wounded insurgent's head in Fallujah, here's a response from a Marine:
>
> It's a safety issue pure and simple. After assaulting through a target, we
> put a security round in everybody's head. Sorry al-Reuters, there's no paddy
> wagon rolling around Fallujah picking up "prisoners" and offering them a hot
> cup a joe, falafel, and a blanket. There's no time to ****
> around on the target. You clear the space, dump the chumps, and move on.
> org.
>
> Are Corpsman expected to treat wounded terrorists? Negative. Hey
> libs, worried about the defense budget? Well, it would be waste, fraud, and
> abuse for a Corpsman to expend one man-minute or a battle dressing on a
> terrorist.Its much cheaper to just spend the $.02 on a 5.56mm FMJ.
>
> By the way, in our view, terrorists who chop off civilian's heads are not
> prisoners, they are carcasses. Chopping off a civilian's head is another
> reason why these idiots are known as "unlawful combatants."
> It seems that most of the world's journalists have forgotten that fact.
>
> Let me be very clear about this issue. I have looked around the web, and many
> people get this concept, but there are some stragglers.
>
> Here is your situation Marine: You just took fire from unlawful combatants
> (no uniform - breaking every Geneva Convention rule there is) shooting from
> a religious building attempting to use the sanctuary status of their
> position as protection.
> But you're in Fallujah now, and the Marine Corps has decided that they're
> not playing that game this time. That was Najaf. So you set the mosque on
> fire and you hose down the terrorists with small arms, launch some AT-4s
> (Rockets), some 40MM grenades into the building and things quiet down.
> So you run over there, and find some tangos (bad guys) wounded and
> pretending to be dead. You are aware that suicide martyrdom is like really
> popular with these idiots, and they think taking some Marines with them
> would be really cool. So you can either risk your life and your fire team's
> lives by having them cover you while you bend down and search a guy that you
> think is pretending to be dead for some reason. Most of the time these are
> the guys with the grenade or vest made of explosives.
> Also, you don't know who or what is in the next room. You're already
> speaking English to the rest of your fire team or squad which lets the
> terrorist know you are there and you are his enemy. You are speaking loud
> because your hearing is poor from shooting people for several days. So you
> know that there are many other rooms to enter, and that if anyone is still
> alive in those rooms, they know that Americans are in the mosque. Meanwhile
> (3seconds later), you still have this terrorist (that was just shooting at
> you from a mosque) playing possum. What do you do? You double tap his head,
> and you go to the next room, that's what!!!
>
> What about the Geneva Convention and all that Law of Land Warfare stuff?
> What about it. Without even addressing the issues at hand, your first
> thought should be, "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6."
>
> Bear in mind that this tactic of double tapping a fallen terrorist is a
> perpetual mindset that is reinforced by experience on a minute by minute
> basis. Secondly, you are fighting an unlawful combatant in a Sanctuary, which
> is a double No-No on his part. Third, tactically you are in no position to
> take prisoners" because there are more rooms to search and clear, and the
> behaviour of said terrorist indicates that he is up to no good. No good in
> Fallujah is a very large place and the low end of no good and the high end
> of no good are fundamentally the same. Marines end up getting hurt or die.
> So there is no compelling reason for you to do anything but double tap this
> idiot and get on with the mission.
>
> If you are a veteran, then everything I have just written is self evident. If
> you are not a veteran, then at least try to put yourself in the situation.
> Remember, in Fallujah there is no yesterday, there is no
> tomorrow, there is only now . Right NOW. Have you ever lived in NOW for a
> week? If you have never lived in NOW for longer than it takes to finish the
> big roller coaster at Six Flags, then shut your hole about putting Marines
> in jail for "War Crimes".
>
> Froggy OUT.
Raymond M. Hajewski
QB Challenge Champion, Just Pitching Champion, Midi Golf Champion- My Greatest Accomplishments in Life
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