[TidesHoss32]

Yes, change is here now. I'll give you anything you want on Giuliani. I dont like his politics at all. I would vote for him if he won the nomination, but thats a big if. I find it funny that you slam Nixon because what he done was in the past, sure it was. But what he done in the late 60s and 70s was huge for our nation, and even democrats cant take that away from him. No president since has been better for our country.

Sure everyone knows not only did LBJ escalate the war with the Gulf Of Ton kin Incident I'll even acknowledge Kennedy had advisers in Vietnam before his death. He was about to withdraw all US interests according to Kissinger. But it was McNamara, Kissinger, Westmoreland and Nixon who really threw out the rule book. LBJ also signed into law more legislation than any president before him or since. One of those laws was the Civil Rights Act. I will also concede that Nixon signed into law the Endangered Species Act. But these things happened a long time ago. Times have changed. 1968's Conservative values were molded by Barry Goldwater. Today Ron Paul represents those same values and gets laughed at by Giuliani supporters. The times aren't changing any more. Change is here now.