[Beetle01]

Can we please keep attempt to stick to the topic and not clog the thread with criticisms. If you want I will create another thread specifically for that, but I would like for the OP to be able to find answers and not have to sift through debates.

Ive already posted about this very clearly.
Even with the employee welfare, the cost of providing his employees insurance is going to run him around 65k per year for those 12 employees. Now Obama claims he is going to give money to small business's to help provide them insurance. How much that will be is anyone's guess. If he even does that. For some reason people have this perception that Obama is different from all other politicians that he will actually do what he says, just because he says so. So who knows.

SO I would imagine if your business is bringing in 150k per year income to you, your going to pay, this includes 3k per employee tax credit if Obama does come through with that for insurances, plus your other credits, plus your tax cuts from Obama and then your tax increases when the BUsh tax cuts are lifted, you will pay around 30-40k more per year, without the employee insurance tax credit, around 65k again.