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09-04-2009, 04:38 PM
Jarons Wrote:To me, the reason Marino and Manning are considered great quarterbacks is because of their passing numbers. Yes they are better QB's than many that have won super bowls (Dilfer, Brad Johnson and many others). I use the playoff as a small sample size because they are playing the best. There are no Lions, Raiders, or Rams in the post season. It's easy being great against those teams. If any of those three were the QB for the Lions and won 2-3 games or more, I think they would be pretty popular in Detroit automatically raise their expectations quickly. I guess we have to agree to disagree on how we judge QB's.

I guess we will just have to disagree, because I see numbers (a la Marino and Manning) as a better measure of individual talent than team success. Sure there are other factors that affect a QB's numbers too, such as the system he plays in or who he's throwing to. But it's not nearly as affected by other factors as team accomplishments.

It's funny, I'm on here defending Manning, when I'm not even a Colts fan. I just always thought it was a shame when he was criticized by the national media for "not winning the big one" all those years before he finally he got his ring. To me, the reality was that no QB could have won a title with the pitiful defenses he was saddled with.
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