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09-04-2009, 05:11 PM
More Cowbell Wrote:I guess we will just have to disagree, because I see numbers (a la Marino and Manning) as a better measure of individual talent than team success. Sure there are other factors that affect a QB's numbers too, such as the system he plays in or who he's throwing to. But it's not nearly as affected by other factors as team accomplishments.

It's funny, I'm on here defending Manning, when I'm not even a Colts fan. I just always thought it was a shame when he was criticized by the national media for "not winning the big one" all those years before he finally he got his ring. To me, the reality was that no QB could have won a title with the pitiful defenses he was saddled with.

I did think that was kind of funny when I saw you were a Bengals fan. You know, neither one of us is right or wrong. It is just our opinions on players are judged. It has been kind of fun debating this issue. I hope it is not over though
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