[Old School]

To really use this as a anti-wind argument, shouldnt you also show why coal fired power plants, or other energy sources are more avain friendly then wind?

The only way birds can be killed by wind turbines is to directly fly into them, but coal can have many ways of harming and killing wildlife. Acid Rain, MTR, mine run off!

So lets compare some sources of energy and thier effects on avian life. Becuase if you arent comparing the anything, what good is this anti-wind argument you are using?

Here is some suprising info about the subject.




"When these avian deaths are correlated with the units of electricity those power plants produce, some may find the results surprising. Based on real world operating experience of 339 wind turbines comprising six wind farms constituting 274 MW of installed capacity in the U.S., average avian mortality for wind appears to be about 0.269 fatalities per GWh.

Based on real world operating experience for two coal facilities as well as the indirect damages from mountain top removal coal mining in Appalachia, acid rain pollution on wood thrushes, mercury pollution, and anticipated impacts of climate change, average avian mortality for fossil fueled power stations appears to be about 5.18 fatalities per GWh.

Based on real world operating experience at four nuclear power plants and two uranium mines and mills, average avian mortality for nuclear systems is about 0.416 GWh.

In terms of birds killed per electricity produced, nuclear power is slightly worse but comparable to wind energy, but fossil-fueled facilities are about 17 times more dangerous to birds on a per kWh basis. In absolute terms, since wind turbines produced a relatively small amount of national electricity in the United States in 2006, they may have killed about 7,000 but fossil fueled stations killed 14.5 million and nuclear power plants 327,000.

Clearly, wind energy is not as bad for birds as many environmentalists make it out to be, and conventional resources are much more damaging to birds than is commonly believed."

http://www.scitizen.com/stories/future-e...index.php?

To do some further reading on the subject, and to see where this author got his information, go here.

http://www.spp.nus.edu.sg/docs/fac/benja...tality.pdf

Anti wind lol..... come on coach, you and I have had serveral discussions on energy over the past couple of years, and in all of those discussions how many times have I said, I was against wind mills.....a big fat ZERO. I have over 2,000 post on this site, and I challenge you to find one, just one where I said I was against wind mills. How may times have I said that I'm for all types of energy that will help us become engery independent, including wind, solar, nuclear, hydro, and coal?......I'd say about twenty or so.

As I said in a previous post I ran across this article by accident, and I never realized how many birds are killed by these wind mills annually, maybe you and others did, but I did not. Exxon Mobil killed 85 birds that came into contact with their crude oil and had to pay $600,000 dollars in fines. PacifiCorp paid 1.4 million in fines for killing 232 eagles that landed on poorly designed power lines over a 2 years period. These windmills are known to kill 275,000 (and could go up to 3 million) birds that fly into the blades or bats that can suffer internal hemorrhaging by flying to close to the towers annually without being fined one cent. Am I missing something here, if Exxon and PacifiCorps are punished for killing birds then shouldn't everyone be punished for the same offense.

BTW, If those bats happen to be the cute Indiana Bat everyone loves so much, then shouldn't the windmill project be scrapped, or at least moved to another site.