[RF81]

Then you have never had a spiritual or other worldly experience, and that's OK. I'll take my God, my faith, and my fate in complete confidence. I'd much rather live a life of hope than one of dispair.

I've been saved, baptized, the camps/youth groups and went to a Pentecostal church most of my life. I've dealt with deaths in my family and am a 3-time cancer survivor, I've been through more than most at my age. I've had plenty of experience, it's just I stepped back and took a look at it all...and found that it's basically a scam in my eyes. Doubt is not a bad thing, it reveals more than anything. A lot have doubts, but chalk it up to "The devil getting to me". Two of my favorite quotes....


Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson


You don't find that in the Bible, questioning or doubting is forbidden.

[jetpilot]

Ben Stein vs. Sputtering Atheists

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26107

[Stardust]

I've been saved, baptized, the camps/youth groups and went to a Pentecostal church most of my life. I've dealt with deaths in my family and am a 3-time cancer survivor, I've been through more than most at my age. I've had plenty of experience, it's just I stepped back and took a look at it all...and found that it's basically a scam in my eyes. Doubt is not a bad thing, it reveals more than anything. A lot have doubts, but chalk it up to "The devil getting to me". Two of my favorite quotes....


Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha


Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear. - Thomas Jefferson


You don't find that in the Bible, questioning or doubting is forbidden.

That's fine for you. Please don't take anything that I have said is questioning anyone on their beleifs or faith. I have to take care of me, and have ZERO responsibility to judge others. My faith is for me, and for me only. I will let God lead me, and allow him to lead others in his own fashion.

Being someone who was given up at birth from a mother who was knocked up by someone she met while her husband was in prison, then being taken in by two alocolics who had both abandoned parenthood to their own bilogical previous marriages, there is no doubt in my mind that God took care of me.

He saved me from a life of unknown, which I thank him for saving me. He put me into two peoples lives that were old enough to be my grandparents but took me in and became the most loving, caring, and God teaching parents a chold could have - thus saving my life by giving me them instead of the life that I may well have been destined for.

He game gave them in new chance at life - which led them away from alcohol the rest of their lives and put them back into their own childrens life, gave them a reason to find faith in a God that they felt had abondend them - thus God saved them through me being a "Reason" for them to right their own ship.

Atheist can call that happenstance - I call it GOD!

Amen :worthy:

[bigjim4packers]

God is my father and I am his son with no doubt in my mind. If we wait till he comes back to do a DNA test it will be to late.

[Old School]

I don't get how people believe in the Adam and Eve story, even when I was Christian, it was always a nice story but as truth? Pretty firm believer in Evolution.

Evolve from what....Apes? If so, then how did Apes come to being? Do you believe in the big bang theroy?

[Mr.Kimball]

That's fine for you. Please don't take anything that I have said is questioning anyone on their beleifs or faith. I have to take care of me, and have ZERO responsibility to judge others. My faith is for me, and for me only. I will let God lead me, and allow him to lead others in his own fashion.

Being someone who was given up at birth from a mother who was knocked up by someone she met while her husband was in prison, then being taken in by two alocolics who had both abandoned parenthood to their own bilogical previous marriages, there is no doubt in my mind that God took care of me.

He saved me from a life of unknown, which I thank him for saving me. He put me into two peoples lives that were old enough to be my grandparents but took me in and became the most loving, caring, and God teaching parents a chold could have - thus saving my life by giving me them instead of the life that I may well have been destined for.

He game gave them in new chance at life - which led them away from alcohol the rest of their lives and put them back into their own childrens life, gave them a reason to find faith in a God that they felt had abondend them - thus God saved them through me being a "Reason" for them to right their own ship.

Atheist can call that happenstance - I call it GOD!

Amen :worthy:

What a wonderful testimony you have dusty!!

[BFritz]

I believe in evolution, but I believe that God put everything into order when he created the universe, and then offered up the story of Adam and Eve to give the people of the time an explanation of how they came to be. Back then, they couldn't understand the complexity of the issue, and they needed an explanation of how they came to be, and I believe that some of it is still supposed to be used by the people of today to explain things (like our own greed).

I never said it had been proven completely false, but there is massive evidence against it and other religions. I just can't see how anyone can devote their life to something, that's not backed up by anything or that they know is there without a doubt.

It's called faith, and if you don't have faith- if you don't stand for something- then you'll fall for anything.

[RF81]

Evolve from what....Apes? If so, then how did Apes come to being? Do you believe in the big bang theroy?

If only that was what evolutionist believed, but they don't. They believe that around 6.5 million years ago, apes and humans shared a common ancestor...not that we evolved from them. The species diverged into two separate lineages, one evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors - hominids. So, they would still exist like they do today.

Yes I do. But I think that it hasn't been fully explained because we are still fairly young when it comes to science, esp that area.

I believe in evolution, but I believe that God put everything into order when he created the universe, and then offered up the story of Adam and Eve to give the people of the time an explanation of how they came to be. Back then, they couldn't understand the complexity of the issue, and they needed an explanation of how they came to be, and I believe that some of it is still supposed to be used by the people of today to explain things (like our own greed).



It's called faith, and if you don't have faith- if you don't stand for something- then you'll fall for anything.

Too many excuses for an Omnipotent being.

I have faith, hope, dreams as much as someone that believes in God. Believing in that does not automatically make you a better person, the prison population proves that, but you're either a good person or a not so good person...has nothing to do with God.

[Stardust]

What a wonderful testimony you have dusty!!

Thanks Mr. K. I've realized that it is not my story, but God's story. It's his message, and I am the vehicle of his message for those who question his hand in our lives. I am thankful for the life that he has manifested in me.

[jetpilot]

If only that was what evolutionist believed, but they don't. They believe that around 6.5 million years ago, apes and humans shared a common ancestor...not that we evolved from them. The species diverged into two separate lineages, one evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors - hominids. So, they would still exist like they do today.

Yes I do. But I think that it hasn't been fully explained because we are still fairly young when it comes to science, esp that area.





Too many excuses for an Omnipotent being.

I have faith, hope, dreams as much as someone that believes in God. Believing in that does not automatically make you a better person, the prison population proves that, but you're either a good person or a not so good person...has nothing to do with God.

Who created the common ancestor? Who created the first ancestor that everyone else "evolved" from?

[RF81]

Who cIreated the common ancestor? Who created the first ancestor that everyone else "evolved" from?

Who created God? See how that argument sounds?

Do a little research on Gene Duplication. You're using an Intelligent Designer theory, which isn't backed up by much since God can't be proven to exist.

[jetpilot]

Who created God? See how that argument sounds?

Do a little research on Gene Duplication. You're using an Intelligent Designer theory, which isn't backed up by much since God can't be proven to exist.

Your argument that something came from nothing is not only unbelievable but impossible.

[RF81]

It's a argument that is backed up by facts, the "rib and dirt" fable isn't...that is what's truly unbelievable.

[jetpilot]

It's a argument that is backed up by facts, the "rib and dirt" fable isn't...that is what's truly unbelievable.

Thanks for playing. There will be a nice parting gift.

[RF81]

Thanks for playing. There will be a nice parting gift.

Was that my line? You have given nothing to debunk any of what I said or back up anything you said.

[jetpilot]

Was that my line? You have given nothing to debunk any of what I said or back up anything you said.

Whatever. If you think there are any "facts" to back up evolution, you are kidding yourself.:yawn:

[RF81]

Whatever. If you think there are any "facts" to back up evolution, you are kidding yourself.:yawn:

:lmao: Wow. If you were to do a little research, you'd see the massive amount of facts that back it up - I assume you are unwilling to accept it. It's been fact for about 150 years now, its never been unproven, but only been solidified since Darwin first introduced it. It's look like blind-faith is the cause of your denial.

[Deathstar 80]

For the past few months, I've started to realize how much the human race doesn't know. If you learn about how big the universe is and how complicated it really is (the laws of physics, wormholes, how space can "bend", the fabric of spacetime, etc.), then you can better understand that compared to all of the knowledge in existence, we probably don't know anything. I know there's a lot of facts against and for the Bible, but I think it's best to just look at the prophecies of the Bible in order to see if it's true or not. You'll know then that the Bible is correct.

[RF81]

I know there's a lot of facts against and for the Bible, but I think it's best to just look at the prophecies of the Bible in order to see if it's true or not. You'll know then that the Bible is correct.

Can you elaborate?

I mean I don't understand that logic.

[Wildcatk23]

Who created God? See how that argument sounds?

Do a little research on Gene Duplication. You're using an Intelligent Designer theory, which isn't backed up by much since God can't be proven to exist.

:Thumbs: this is how i feel about it

Whatever. If you think there are any "facts" to back up evolution, you are kidding yourself.:yawn:

Facts to back up evolution? are you kidding me, your proof of god is a book written by man,

[Deathstar 80]

Can you elaborate?

I mean I don't understand that logic.

God gave us prophecies of things that he knew would happen. These prophecies were to help us believe in him and the Bible. Such prophecies would include Israel being made, the Great Alexander (the Greek Conqueror), and (of course) Jesus the Messiah (I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of prophecies for the messiah, and Jesus completed every prophecy).

You probably want to know the Bible verses for these prophecies. I honestly don't know them. I'm trying to find the verses right now.

[Mr.Kimball]

:Thumbs: this is how i feel about it




Facts to back up evolution? are you kidding me, your proof of god is a book written by man,

Uh, and your evolutionary facts were written by...?

[Mr.Kimball]

:lmao: Wow. If you were to do a little research, you'd see the massive amount of facts that back it up - I assume you are unwilling to accept it. It's been fact for about 150 years now, its never been unproven, but only been solidified since Darwin first introduced it. It's look like blind-faith is the cause of your denial.

Who and what was Darwin?

[Stardust]

Who and what was Darwin?

Darwin was a Christian. He had a Daughter who died within days of birth, which devastated him. Then he lost another daughter when she reached the age of ten, which is when he radically changed and he blamed God for the loss of his children. He spent the remainder of his life on works to disprove God because of the hatred of God for allowing his dauther to pass away. That's who Darwin was.

It's spelled out pretty clearly of his disdain for God when you read his Biography.

[Deathstar 80]

You probably want to know the Bible verses for these prophecies. I honestly don't know them. I'm trying to find the verses right now.

I was told just now of where you could find these prophecies:

Israel being remade (it was conquered by Assyria):
-> Matthew 24:32 "32) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33)So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34) Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35) Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away." (I added a few extra verses to help you better understand. The fig tree represents Israel. Israel was remade in 1948, and from what I understand from these verses, the generation that seen this happen will not pass away. In other words, Jesus is coming soon.)
-> Also Isaiah 49:6 (you may have to read Ch. 49:1-5 to understand this verse better) "6) And he [I think it's God] said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob and to restore the preserved of Israel: ..."
-> There's also Jeremiah 30:3, which I personally think is more clear - "For, lo, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the Lord: and I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it."

Alexander the Great - I was told it was somewhere in Isaiah, but I'm not sure. I couldn't find it.

Jesus being the Messiah - Here are a few:
-> John 19:36-37 "36) For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. 37) And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced."
-> John 19:28-29 "28) After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst. 29) Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a sponge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth."
Of course, there are many more prophecies I didn't list.

Here's another prophecy:
John 12:32-33 "32) And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me. 33) This he said, signifying what death he should die." (Jesus was lifted up and died on the cross)
Also, have you ever heard of the statue that Nebudchadnezzar II dreamed of (it's in Daniel, chapter 2)? It's a very neat prophecy to look into.

[RF81]

Who and what was Darwin?

I'm hoping that was a joke.


Darwinism has withstood countless attempts to debunk it, experiments and trials over the past 150 years. It's only been solidified and backed up even more since then. He was a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds in history.

He was actually pretty religious for many years, more agnostic later on, never atheist. Doesn't matter what he was, it's still considered fact.

[Stardust]

I'm hoping that was a joke.


Darwinism has withstood countless attempts to debunk it, experiments and trials over the past 150 years. It's only been solidified and backed up even more since then. He was a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds in history.

He was actually pretty religious for many years, more agnostic later on, never atheist. Doesn't matter what he was, it's still considered fact.

There is no truth to that statement at all, none. There has never been proof that one creature can convert to another. You may be confusing yourself with adpatation, which is not evolution.

By those that don't believe in Creationism, which is considered fact by those who don't believe in Evolution!

[Stardust]

The Evolutionist have one flaw, that when challenged with, have failed to identify a reasonable answer.

I all life came from on organism and different organisms divided to establish different creatures, then it is agreed in all scientific communities that there has to be one common string in DNA that ties everything back together. Scientists have yet to prove that it is possible to have a single string that ties back, yet all agree that there is only one ligical string that has carryover to all creatures. This one string would also have to tie plant, insect, fowl, mammal, etc...

For me, there is one string that ties it all together, but it aint found in a science book....

[Mr.Kimball]

I'm hoping that was a joke.


Darwinism has withstood countless attempts to debunk it, experiments and trials over the past 150 years. It's only been solidified and backed up even more since then. He was a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds in history.

He was actually pretty religious for many years, more agnostic later on, never atheist. Doesn't matter what he was, it's still considered fact.

No it's not a joke, but I admit I was toying for an answer. I know who he is and what he said. I was just seeing what kind of response I could get to prove a point, and I have just exactly what I thought I would get as a response. About all I can see anybody come up with so far is that he was just a man, a plain and simple human. No different than you or I, who had nothing but a "THEORY". I thought you said you had proof?



"He was a brilliant man, one of the greatest minds in history."

Adolph Hitler has been described with those exact same words .

[outdoorsman43]

The nonbelievers are saying there are all kinds of "facts and evidence" that there is no God of any kind.

Where are the facts and evidence??

How about quit saying there is facts and evidence and just tell us what exactly it is??