[Hoot Gibson]

Did Obama put us in this unemployment hole? Can he wave a magic wand, while congress fights everything he does, and make it all better?

No, but he has dug a deeper hole. Smart people stop digging when they realize that they are in a hole. Obama's answer was to waste money on fictional jobs and use his political capital to pass the job-killing Obamacare bill into law, and he did the latter without a single Republican vote. Obamacare is the Deomcrats' baby and right now it is screaming for change.

[TheRealVille]

Is there anywhere in my post that said it averaged 7.8% during Bush's last year in office?

[TheRealVille]

No, but he has dug a deeper hole. Smart people stop digging when they realize that they are in a hole. Obama's answer was to waste money on fictional jobs and use his political capital to pass the job-killing Obamacare bill into law, and he did the latter without a single Republican vote. Obamacare is the Deomcrats' baby and right now it is screaming for change.

Stats show the hole is shrinking. The economy as a whole is getting better.

[Hoot Gibson]

Is there anywhere in my post that said it averaged 7.8% during Bush's last year in office?

Show me where I said that is what you said. What you said was: "Right now, it is at 7.5%, below Bush's last year in office."

The unemployment rate during Bush's last year in office was 6%. The current rate is 7.6 percent, so it obviously is not lower than it was during Bush's last year.

Even if you had said that the current unemployment rate is below Bush's last month in office, the improvement has been a mere 0.2 percent over the worst month during the 96 months of the Bush presidency. And you think that is an impressive economic record? Seriously?

Jimmy Carter inherited a 7.5 percent unemployment rate and the rate dropped to 5.8 percent by the middle of his presidency. Unfortunately for Carter, his liberal economic policies triggered another recession and he left Reagan the same 7.5 percent unemployment rate that he inherited himself. Obama has made Carter look very good in so many areas, I am glad that Carter lived to see a worse president than himself.

[nky]

The U6 unemployment rate counts not only people without work seeking full-time employment (the more familiar U-3 rate), but also counts "marginally attached workers and those working part-time for economic reasons." Note that some of these part-time workers counted as employed by U-3 could be working as little as an hour a week. And the "marginally attached workers" include those who have gotten discouraged and stopped looking, but still want to work. The age considered for this calculation is 16 years and over

Unemployment Rate - U62000 - 2013 [Image: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?chs=6...4|16|18|20] From : 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 To : 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 Check U6 Unemployment Rate

[TheRealVille]

Show me where I said that is what you said. What you said was: "Right now, it is at 7.5%, below Bush's last year in office."

The unemployment rate during Bush's last year in office was 6%. The current rate is 7.6 percent, so it obviously is not lower than it was during Bush's last year.

Even if you had said that the current unemployment rate is below Bush's last month in office, the improvement has been a mere 0.2 percent over the worst month during the 96 months of the Bush presidency. And you think that is an impressive economic record? Seriously?

Jimmy Carter inherited a 7.5 percent unemployment rate and the rate dropped to 5.8 percent by the middle of his presidency. Unfortunately for Carter, his liberal economic policies triggered another recession and he left Reagan the same 7.5 percent unemployment rate that he inherited himself. Obama has made Carter look very good in so many areas, I am glad that Carter lived to see a worse president than himself.

No, it was 7.8% at one point. I missed the current rate by .1%, and yes it is lower now than it was when Bush left office.

[Hoot Gibson]

No, it was 7.8% at one point. I missed the current rate by .1%, and yes it is lower now than it was when Bush left office.

That's not what you said in the first post and you know it. In 4-1/2 years under Obama, the lowest unemployment rate has been 7.5% and it is higher than that now, and much of the improvement has been an increase in part time jobs as full time jobs were lost. You have to be smart enough to know that Obama has done a poor job where the economy is concerned, but I understand why you will never admit it.

[TheRealVille]

That's not what you said in the first post and you know it. In 4-1/2 years under Obama, the lowest unemployment rate has been 7.5% and it is higher than that now, and much of the improvement has been an increase in part time jobs as full time jobs were lost. You have to be smart enough to know that Obama has done a poor job where the economy is concerned, but I understand why you will never admit it.

Show me anything I said in that post that wasn't right, other than missing the present rate by .1%.

Speaking of jobs, the unemployment rate when Bush left office was 7.8%, and rising to 8.3% in Obama's first month(couldn't be his fault in one month). Right now, it is at 7.5%, below Bush's last year in office. I don't remember you bitching Bush out over his unemployment rate.

[Hoot Gibson]

Show me anything I said in that post that wasn't right, other than missing the present rate by .1%.

Already done. You win, RV. You obviously intend to filibuster and refuse to admit that you were wrong. Par for the course. "Year" means "year" in my book but your words are written to be defined later to cover up your mistakes. :biglmao:

[TheRealVille]

Already done. You win, RV. You obviously intend to filibuster and refuse to admit that you were wrong. Par for the course. "Year" means "year" in my book but your words are written to be defined later to cover up your mistakes. :biglmao:

Was there a day in Bush's last year in office that the unemployment went to 7.8%? In other words, during Bush's last year in office, did the unemployment rate reach 7.8%?

[Hoot Gibson]

Was there a day in Bush's last year in office that the unemployment went to 7.8%? In other words, during Bush's last year in office, did the unemployment rate reach 7.8%?

I think that you have beaten this horse to death, RV. When you said "year," you say that meant at any time during the year - the worst unemployment rate of any day during Bush's last year in office. I think that is a ridiculous claim, but it's your story and you are sticking to it.

So, if I said that the Obama's unemployment rate this year has been 7.9 percent, then that would be a correct statement, as you understand the English language. So the Obama's unemployment rate this year of 7.9 percent, after four years in office has been higher than it was in Bush's last year, which according to you was 7.8 percent. Okay, let's go with that then. nicker:

[TheRealVille]

Ok. But it's also been 7.6% this year.

[Hoot Gibson]

Ok. But it's also been 7.6% this year.

And the rate was also 4.9% during Bush's last year. No matter how you twist the English language to cover your mistakes, the fact stands that the economy has been and continues to be dismally slow under Obama. Carter did a better job.

[TheRealVille]

And the rate was also 4.9% during Bush's last year. No matter how you twist the English language to cover your mistakes, the fact stands that the economy has been and continues to be dismally slow under Obama. Carter did a better job.

It might be slow, but it is improving over what Obama got left to him.

[Hoot Gibson]

It might be slow, but it is improving over what Obama got left to him.

Recessions happen and the economy was in a deep recession when Obama took office. This has been the slowest recovery in history. Saying it is slow is an understatement.

After all of these posts, you have not yet even commented on the OP, which is not unusual for you. Do you think that there might be a connection between the explosion in part time jobs created, the loss of full time jobs, and Obama's decision to suspend the enforcement of the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections?

[TheRealVille]

Recessions happen and the economy was in a deep recession when Obama took office. This has been the slowest recovery in history. Saying it is slow is an understatement.

After all of these posts, you have not yet even commented on the OP, which is not unusual for you. Do you think that there might be a connection between the explosion in part time jobs created, the loss of full time jobs, and Obama's decision to suspend the enforcement of the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections?

Is it getting better? You might want to refer to my facts I posted, that you refused to talk about.

[vector]

Recessions happen and the economy was in a deep recession when Obama took office. This has been the slowest recovery in history. Saying it is slow is an understatement.

After all of these posts, you have not yet even commented on the OP, which is not unusual for you. Do you think that there might be a connection between the explosion in part time jobs created, the loss of full time jobs, and Obama's decision to suspend the enforcement of the employer mandate until after the 2014 elections?

how about telling us how many jobs your boy bush2 created in his 8 years

[Hoot Gibson]

how about telling us how many jobs your boy bush2 created in his 8 years

Start your own thread if you don't want to discuss the topic of this one, sidekick. I have no problem acknowledging a matter of public record again. Although millions of jobs were created in the first 7 years of Bush's presidency, by the end of his second term there was a net loss of jobs. However, that's been discussed in thread after thread and you are wearing out the question. Bush has not been president for more than 4 years. You need to accept that fact and start holding the current president accountable for the poor job that he is doing.

[TheRealVille]

I wonder if these numbers had anything to do with Obama's sudden decision not to enforce the employer mandate provision of Obamacare until after the 2014 elections? This is what passes for job growth in Obama's economy.

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Nope. The latest numbers from your source came from June. The delay wasn't announced until July 2nd.

[Hoot Gibson]

Nope. The latest numbers from your source came from all of June. The delay wasn't announced until July 2nd.

So you don't believe that the President of the United States gets a heads up from his cabinet secretaries before reports are released to the public. You are probably right. This president does not seem too interested in his job and at the time the announcement was made through a blog, Obama was blowing tens of millions of taxpayer dollars showing Africa to his family. So, the timing was just all a series of coincidences. I knew that you be your response. :hilarious:

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I believe everyone is overlooking an integral element in this discussion. How many people have stopped looking for a job since Obama came in and, thus, are not included in the unemployment figures?

These dropouts should be counted since they are clearly unemployed whether they have given up on finding work or not. Of course, the administration and its enablers won't give you true figures.

But, all this can't be Barry's fault because nothing negative is ever Barry's fault. I really believe that it must be the fault of either Calvin Coolidge or Tim Tebow. But never Barry.

[TheRealVille]

So you don't believe that the President of the United States gets a heads up from his cabinet secretaries before reports are released to the public. You are probably right. This president does not seem too interested in his job and at the time the announcement was made through a blog, Obama was blowing tens of millions of taxpayer dollars showing Africa to his family. So, the timing was just all a series of coincidences. I knew that you be your response. :hilarious:

Did all the employers get a heads up before the announcement. That's the relative question.

[TheRealVille]

Your figures are from before Obama's announcement.

[Hoot Gibson]

Did all the employers get a heads up before the announcement. That's the relative question.

I don't see why they would have. This delay is still not going to do much to spur employers to hire more full time workers. Full time workers are more than a one-year investment, so I expect that the trend toward hiring more part timers will continue.

[TheRealVille]

I believe everyone is overlooking an integral element in this discussion. How many people have stopped looking for a job since Obama came in and, thus, are not included in the unemployment figures?

These dropouts should be counted since they are clearly unemployed whether they have given up on finding work or not. Of course, the administration and its enablers won't give you true figures.

But, all this can't be Barry's fault because nothing negative is ever Barry's fault. I really believe that it must be the fault of either Calvin Coolidge or Tim Tebow. But never Barry.

Do the baby boomers have anything to do with your question?

[Hoot Gibson]

Your figures are from before Obama's announcement.

You don't think that the administration had any clue that companies have been shedding full time workers and replacing them with part time workers because of Obamacare? The story was all over the media well before the latest jobs report was released.

I have a very low opinion of Obama, but even I don't think that he is that out of touch with reality.

[TheRealVille]

I don't see why they would have. This delay is still not going to do much to spur employers to hire more full time workers. Full time workers are more than a one-year investment, so I expect that the trend toward hiring more part timers will continue.

Going slow...... Your chart, and figures are from June. Obama didn't announce the ACA delay until July 2nd. Did the employers, with their hirings, and layoffs, know about an announcement that didn't happen until July 2nd? Below is your OP question.

I wonder if these numbers had anything to do with Obama's sudden decision not to enforce the employer mandate provision of Obamacare until after the 2014 elections? This is what passes for job growth in Obama's economy.

[Hoot Gibson]

Going slow...... Your chart, and figures are from June. Obama didn't announce the ACA delay until July 2nd. Did the employers, with their hirings, and layoffs, know about an announcement that didn't happen until JUly 2nd?

Going slow for you right back, RV. No, the employers did not anticipate Obama's announcement and have been preparing for the Obamacare employer mandate by converting full time positions to part time positions. IMO, Obama and every politician in Washington was hearing what was going on from their constituents, which prompted the administration to as quietly as possible announce the one year delay.

The decision was purely political and an attempt to take the issue away from Republicans in 2014. I don't think that it will work. The delay makes Democrats look increasingly incompetent and as I posted elsewhere, it will leave the federal government no way to monitor eligibility for the state exchanges. Translation: probably billions of dollars in fraudulent claims, which will feed the incompetence narrative that Republicans will be pushing hard.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Do the baby boomers have anything to do with your question?

Only those who won't work either because they seem to be allergic to work, are unable to find work fitting for their inflated opinion of themselves, or actually can't find a job that they can handle.

[Hoot Gibson]

I believe everyone is overlooking an integral element in this discussion. How many people have stopped looking for a job since Obama came in and, thus, are not included in the unemployment figures?

These dropouts should be counted since they are clearly unemployed whether they have given up on finding work or not. Of course, the administration and its enablers won't give you true figures.

But, all this can't be Barry's fault because nothing negative is ever Barry's fault. I really believe that it must be the fault of either Calvin Coolidge or Tim Tebow. But never Barry.

You are absolutely right, Harry. I have not brought it up in this thread, but the "official" unemployment rate is only as low as it is (which is to say not very) because the labor participation rate has plunged to record lows during Obama's term in office. At the same time, the number of food stamps and other welfare benefits have soared to record highs.

You are also right about nothing ever being Obama's fault. Socialists want and need people as dependent on government as possible. In that one area, Obama has been very successful.