[E's Army]

A good resolution would be to put all schools with larger than 1250 male students in a class.

[E's Army]

Call it the evil empire class

[RunItUpTheGut]

Be careful now, RunItUpTheGut, your prejudices are beginning to take over your posts. And, your exaggerations are expanding. But, I am glad you don't care if the privates win or lose. From your posts, I would have suspected otherwise.nicker:

Fine by me. Im not a politician, i dont have to worry about losing votes.

[RunItUpTheGut]

so what makes that different than a public school? both scenarios the kid isn't paying the bill

the only private school rule that I know of in ohio is that home school kids cant play for a private school program

Its NEVER been about public or private. I never once said anything about public or private, in fact, Baylortinydawg and Harry P. Ness are the ones who brought up the public/private towards me.

ALL i said was that Trinity and St X werent the top two teams in the state this year. Thats all ive said, and have said it since July.
And, Im not wrong.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Its NEVER been about public or private. I never once said anything about public or private, in fact, Baylortinydawg and Harry P. Ness are the ones who brought up the public/private towards me.

ALL i said was that Trinity and St X werent the top two teams in the state this year. Thats all ive said, and have said it since July.
And, Im not wrong.

Gee, I could have sworn that you have a strong prejudice against and jealousy of private schools. You really should thank all of us who pay private school tuition and public school taxes. Can you imagine what your tax might be if we weren't forced to pay a double tax? And, could you imagine how much stronger private schools would be if there really were school choice? Indeed, the private schools would flourish and the government schools, the KEA, and the NEA a would be devastated.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

I can see both sides of the argument, toussaints - but IMO, private schools thrive most when too many public schools fail to do their jobs. Your point is a good one. Even if a student athlete's tuition is covered at a private school, that would not be a big draw if he could attend a public school with a good football and academic program for the same cost - nothing. I don't like the fact that parents who choose to send kids to private schools still get stuck with the full tax bill for their kids' education, as if they were actually attending public schools.

Most of the top schools academically in the northern Virginia are public schools. I work with people who only live in this area because they can send their kids to great public schools like Thomas Jefferson High School in Alexandria. There are private schools in this area, but I don't think anybody sends kids to them for academic or athletic reasons - more for religious, political, or disciplinary reasons. If more Louisville public schools were stronger academically (Dupont Manual is an exceptional school), then Trinity and St. X would probably have much smaller enrollments.

More competition among all schools would benefit everybody. Creating separate classes for public and private schools reduces competition and would be an admission that public schools cannot compete on a level playing field, which has been proven in many places not to be true.

As for home schooled kids, they should be allowed to participate in whatever programs they want in a public school. Their parents are already paying for that privilege.

This is a marvelous post filled with truth and reality. I will just add "amen".

[Dropaduece]

Never heard on this Trinity you folks speak of. They must not play around here much.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Gee, I could have sworn that you have a strong prejudice against and jealousy of private schools. You really should thank all of us who pay private school tuition and public school taxes. Can you imagine what your tax might be if we weren't forced to pay a double tax? And, could you imagine how much stronger private schools would be if there really were school choice? Indeed, the private schools would flourish and the government schools, the KEA, and the NEA a would be devastated.

Doesn't bother me one bit. Im 30 years old, have two college degrees, and make good money doing what i do.
Worrying about private high schools is not in my daily regiment.

Truth is, no matter how you slice it, Trinity and St. X arent unbeatable this year just like i said. Quit backtracking and changing your story to a public/private debate. All i ever said was Trinity and St.X would not be the two best teams in the state. That is all. If you want to talk about something, talk about that.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Doesn't bother me one bit. Im 30 years old, have two college degrees, and make good money doing what i do.
Worrying about private high schools is not in my daily regiment.

Truth is, no matter how you slice it, Trinity and St. X arent unbeatable this year just like i said. Quit backtracking and changing your story to a public/private debate. All i ever said was Trinity and St.X would not be the two best teams in the state. That is all. If you want to talk about something, talk about that.

Well, if we must get personal, I reluctantly submit that I actually have three college degrees including a doctorate. I suspect that I make a good bit more greenbacks than you but who really cares? I also capitalize the personal pronoun, I, because, as a graduate of a private school, I learned that proper grammar is extremely important to those who wish to demonstrate that they are educated and to those who are in positions of authority. Of course, I would be the first to agree that this new approach you initiated is irrelevant and immaterial and would prefer that we stick to football.

If you want to again spin your posts to say that Trinity and St. Xavier are not the two best football teams in the Commonwealth this year, I go along with the new spin and agree with you. St. Xavier is not one of the two best teams. However, time will tell in regard to Trinity. The Rocks have been, by far, the best football team in the Commonwealth for several consecutive years. They have earned the right to be considered the best until someone actually proves otherwise by beating them. That hasn't happened yet but, of course, it could happen.

And, if Trinity does lose, it won't change the fact that they and Fort Thomas are the two best programs with the most state championships and the true traditions for winning in the Commonwealth. No one else remotely approaches them. I'll bet you agree.

[mysonis55]

Most states do have publics separate from privates. If they don't they do the one plus rule. That is if you have the numbers for 1a and you are private you play 2a. You all know this is an unfair practice and the only reason it is allowed is because the private schools have pull in the legislative bodies of this state.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Well, if we must get personal, I reluctantly submit that I actually have three college degrees including a doctorate. I suspect that I make a good bit more greenbacks than you but who really cares? I also capitalize the personal pronoun, I, because, as a graduate of a private school, I learned that proper grammar is extremely important to those who wish to demonstrate that they are educated and to those who are in positions of authority. Of course, I would be the first to agree that this new approach you initiated is irrelevant and immaterial and would prefer that we stick to football.

If you want to again spin your posts to say that Trinity and St. Xavier are not the two best football teams in the Commonwealth this year, I go along with the new spin and agree with you. St. Xavier is not one of the two best teams. However, time will tell in regard to Trinity. The Rocks have been, by far, the best football team in the Commonwealth for several consecutive years. They have earned the right to be considered the best until someone actually proves otherwise by beating them. That hasn't happened yet but, of course, it could happen.

And, if Trinity does lose, it won't change the fact that they and Fort Thomas are the two best programs with the most state championships and the true traditions for winning in the Commonwealth. No one else remotely approaches them. I'll bet you agree.

There it is!
When all else fails and you have nothing left to say, just become the grammar police. Thats about the fifth time this week ive seen it. I didnt pronounce my education as a sign of superiority. I simply stated it to inform you, im not a child, or an uneducated adult like you think your talking to. Doesn't really matter how much money you make compared to me. I have everything i want in life and live comfortably. Thats all i could ask for and want. I bet mine goes a lot further with the cost of living here though :biggrin:

I also like how you shifted from St. X to Highlands. Have we already converted you to a public school fan Dr Harry? Trinity is not the best team in the state, and may not be the best team in there class. That's all I ever said. You have dodged, ducked, dipped, and dived your way around how you were wrong, but the facts still remain. JUST last week you said that Trinity and St. X were the two best teams and nobody would touch them. Your words, not mine.
And yes, I do agree that Trinity and Highlands are the two winningest programs. But thats not what this is about. Were talking about this year. Not the past, not the future, only the present. None of my comments have been about the public/private debate, nor have they been about who has the most trophies. Only who is the best this year.

P.S. I didnt proof read this either. Nobody will be grading my lower case i's.

[mysonis55]

Don't waste your time gut. Some people are so full of their selves that you can't get them to admit when they are wrong. I think they believe in their minds that there is no way they could be wrong.

[RunItUpTheGut]

^
:truestory:

I guess if you went to a private school, your so smart you could never be wrong.

[Pick6]

Public school programs have to develop and nurture their own feeder systems, have summer camps to teach kids and youth coaches the offensive and defensive systems and we have to convince these kids to stay in the program when located close to lower class programs that have EASY paths to state titles.

Public school programs don't get to select the talent that other coaches worked hard to develop!!!!!

[Harry Rex Vonner]

There it is!
When all else fails and you have nothing left to say, just become the grammar police. Thats about the fifth time this week ive seen it. I didnt pronounce my education as a sign of superiority. I simply stated it to inform you, im not a child, or an uneducated adult like you think your talking to. Doesn't really matter how much money you make compared to me. I have everything i want in life and live comfortably. Thats all i could ask for and want. I bet mine goes a lot further with the cost of living here though :biggrin:

I also like how you shifted from St. X to Highlands. Have we already converted you to a public school fan Dr Harry? Trinity is not the best team in the state, and may not be the best team in there class. That's all I ever said. You have dodged, ducked, dipped, and dived your way around how you were wrong, but the facts still remain. JUST last week you said that Trinity and St. X were the two best teams and nobody would touch them. Your words, not mine.
And yes, I do agree that Trinity and Highlands are the two winningest programs. But thats not what this is about. Were talking about this year. Not the past, not the future, only the present. None of my comments have been about the public/private debate, nor have they been about who has the most trophies. Only who is the best this year.

P.S. I didnt proof read this either. Nobody will be grading my lower case i's.

From the misstatements in your posts, I suspect you are employed in Obama's Administration. Rather than being offended, you should be grateful that someone seeks to improve your grammar. Indeed, regardless of what present day government school English teachers emphasize, it is an important tool for success.

As for this year, if and when Trinity loses to a school located in the Commonwealth, we can all declare that, at least for that week's game, the victor is better than Trinity. Until that time, Trinity has earned iss customary position at the top. Fort Thomas has a marvelous program. Of course, as all should know, Trinity annually runs all over Fort Thomas in a preseason game like scrimmage.

If an in-state program proves to be better than Trinity, I will be the first to admit it.

And, for the record, you, not I, brought up the "personal" achievement crap. I don't believe in flaunting unless someone forces my hand. You did so.

By the way, who is your "team" and "school"? Or are you just an overall government school boy?

[Harry Rex Vonner]

^
:truestory:

I guess if you went to a private school, your so smart you could never be wrong.

Now, you are revealing that green eye of jealousy again.

[E's Army]

Some people wonder why they are despised as they pronounce their obvious superiority.

[mysonis55]

When did iss become a word. Must be a private school only educated word.

[toussaints]

When did iss become a word. Must be a private school only educated word.

When the bold part became a sentence instead of a question. Sorry I had to jump in :Thumbs:

Ok, back on topic here

Gut, I agree that Trinity and St.X are in-state beatable this year. Male and Scott County are 2 athletic and explosive teams that I think are 1 & 2 in 6A. I thought going into the season that X was better than Trinity with what they had coming back.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

You might well be correct, toussaints. However, until the time that Trinity gets beaten by a Kentucky high school, it has earned the right to remain at the top.

Also, I want to pass along a "?" to mysonis55 to replace his ".". I hope he isn't offended. He doesn't seem to like private school people very much. He takes all of this too seriously. It is really just a game. I have respect for the concept of the government/public schools. My disdain lies in the way the Washington and Frankfort "educators", the NEA, and the KEA have destroyed the true concept of educating the masses for lives as productive and fulfilled human beings. There are too few lessons of the basic and foundational subjects and far too much social engineering. There are far too many situational "ethics" being taught and not enough moral and traditional lessons. The government/public schools of today are not remotely doing their jobs in a lasting, productive, positive, and meaningful manner. I would guess that most would agree.

[Hoot Gibson]

Most states do have publics separate from privates. If they don't they do the one plus rule. That is if you have the numbers for 1a and you are private you play 2a. You all know this is an unfair practice and the only reason it is allowed is because the private schools have pull in the legislative bodies of this state.

I have already given you two examples of states bordering Kentucky where large public schools dominate their private counterparts. West Virginia is a third example.

Kentucky's 6A public school teams are much weaker than the large public schools in Indiana field. Trinity and St. X would both struggle in most years to compete in the conference with public school teams from Warren Central, Ben Davis, Carmel, and Center Grove. Kentucky's large public school teams would go years without beating the top public school teams in Indiana.

When state athletic associations isolate private schools in their own divisions, it just sends a message across the states that public schools are inferior. I just don't understand why Kentucky taxpayers want to broadcast that message instead of finding ways for their local schools to improve and compete both academically and athletically with private schools. Other states have done it and there is no reason that Kentucky should not be able to do the same.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Hoot Gibson is correct. Rather than trying to rid itself of the often superior private schools, Kentucky government schools should work to better themselves in athletics (and in academics for that matter). This overall "dumb down" approach is merely damaging the end product.

[RunItUpTheGut]

From the misstatements in your posts, I suspect you are employed in Obama's Administration. Rather than being offended, you should be grateful that someone seeks to improve your grammar. Indeed, regardless of what present day government school English teachers emphasize, it is an important tool for success.

As for this year, if and when Trinity loses to a school located in the Commonwealth, we can all declare that, at least for that week's game, the victor is better than Trinity. Until that time, Trinity has earned iss customary position at the top. Fort Thomas has a marvelous program. Of course, as all should know, Trinity annually runs all over Fort Thomas in a preseason game like scrimmage.

If an in-state program proves to be better than Trinity, I will be the first to admit it.

And, for the record, you, not I, brought up the "personal" achievement crap. I don't believe in flaunting unless someone forces my hand. You did so.

By the way, who is your "team" and "school"? Or are you just an overall government school boy?

Just remember your insulting a screen name, not an actual person. Make it seem rather pointless doesn't it?
We'll meet back here when Trinity gets knocked out of the playoffs this year and talk. Until then there is no way I could educate the man responsible for the biggest brain on this site.

As for your statements, dont make privates look like there something there not.

[mysonis55]

Hoot, you are dead wrong. I believe if you will check, we for one, used to play Ind big schools all the time. Evansville Mater Dei comes to mind. We have beaten them. I would say our series would probably be about even and we are just a 1a school. I think PT played them pretty tough this year. In 2009 we beat Evansville Harrison. In 2010 Graves Co beat that same team. I did not say all states play different classes for privates vs publics. I said most. I also said either separate or the 1 up rule. That means some of these very states you are referring to may be playing the 1 up rule just like I spoke of. I for one think it is a very distinct advantage leaning in the direction of the private schools. I would be about like taking our best D3 College team and playing against an SEC team that has more opportunity to recruit. T and X are bringing kids in from out of state all the time. Our kids live in our county. That is roughly 10,000 to 15,000 total people to get your students from. The whole county is only 36,000 people. We have roughly 400 students period. Those are kids living around here. That is not near the talent pool that one would have if they could recruit from Ohio, Ind, all of Ky (including Caldwell Co) and God knows where else. There is no way you can honestly tell me or anyone else that this is not a distinct advantage. Before you make your comment, remember if you are from a Catholic School you are supposed to be a Christian and your God is listening, so now tell me that I am wrong.

[mysonis55]

I see, now that you have been reminded of your Christian morals, you cannot tell me that I am wrong. That says enough. Don't get me wrong, I am very glad that we have Christian schools in this state because they teach values that I believe in, but it is not a fair system any way you look at it.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Hoot, you are dead wrong. I believe if you will check, we for one, used to play Ind big schools all the time. Evansville Mater Dei comes to mind. We have beaten them. I would say our series would probably be about even and we are just a 1a school. I think PT played them pretty tough this year. In 2009 we beat Evansville Harrison. In 2010 Graves Co beat that same team. I did not say all states play different classes for privates vs publics. I said most. I also said either separate or the 1 up rule. That means some of these very states you are referring to may be playing the 1 up rule just like I spoke of. I for one think it is a very distinct advantage leaning in the direction of the private schools. I would be about like taking our best D3 College team and playing against an SEC team that has more opportunity to recruit. T and X are bringing kids in from out of state all the time. Our kids live in our county. That is roughly 10,000 to 15,000 total people to get your students from. The whole county is only 36,000 people. We have roughly 400 students period. Those are kids living around here. That is not near the talent pool that one would have if they could recruit from Ohio, Ind, all of Ky (including Caldwell Co) and God knows where else. There is no way you can honestly tell me or anyone else that this is not a distinct advantage. Before you make your comment, remember if you are from a Catholic School you are supposed to be a Christian and your God is listening, so now tell me that I am wrong.

If those from Catholic schools are "supposed" to be Christians, what are the people from government schools supposed to be? And, since you speak of "your God" in reference to the Catholic schools, just who pray tell is the God of your government schools?

As for your continued accusations about the misdeeds of private schools, I don't notice any proof. How about a few specific facts? You can blow smoke out of your mouth and out of your butt but if you offer no valid proof you are doing nothing but polluting BGR.

[TNT-MB1]

Public school programs have to develop and nurture their own feeder systems, have summer camps to teach kids and youth coaches the offensive and defensive systems and we have to convince these kids to stay in the program when located close to lower class programs that have EASY paths to state titles.

Public school programs don't get to select the talent that other coaches worked hard to develop!!!!!

Preach it!

[mysonis55]

Harry, as a Christian (I sincerely hope you are one) are you saying that what I said is wrong? Or are you saying that I have offered no proof? That kind of sounds like attorney talk to me. Splitting hairs to try to prove your case. Just answer the question. Don't tell me what I haven't done.

[Harry Rex Vonner]

Harry, as a Christian (I sincerely hope you are one) are you saying that what I said is wrong? Or are you saying that I have offered no proof? That kind of sounds like attorney talk to me. Splitting hairs to try to prove your case. Just answer the question. Don't tell me what I haven't done.

Obviously, mysonis55, I am saying that, when one makes serious allegations, he/she must back them up with valid proof. You make all these allegations against Trinity and private schools and offer nothing but your opinion. Your statements are the meaningless rants of a jealous government schooler unless and until you offer some proof.

You really don't have to be a member of the bar to figure this out. However, you do need a certain degree of ability to prove your position. You apparently don't have that degree of ability. Thus, your rantings, as I said earlier, are mere whinings of a jealous government schooler. As young people often say, you should put up or shut up.

[FBfan4life]

HATERS: Having Anger Towards Everyone Reaching Success. Get over folks! Trinity, Saint X, FT Highlands, Bowling Green, Boyle Co, Bell Co, Belfry... I'll even throw Cov Catholic, Lex Catholic, Louisville Central cause they have one thing in common. GREAT support from their boosters, administrators and the community. They are a FOOTBALL schools.