[watcher]

I agree it would take some time. Rhymer had it going in the right direction. He did do a good job in year one. I wish he would of stayed.

[HG_Bullfrogs]

I'm curious as to what major improvements he made at SL because I saw much of the same this season. He did not have a 9th grade team, not enough numbers. Won 1 or 2 JV games and won 3 varsity games against an opponent record of 7-24.
It just seems the same 2-3 people keep saying on this thread that he was so awesome and changed the culture yet none of you watch the games and see that South went no where this season. Ask the parents how far back he set the program.
As far as being the head coach in waiting at Harlan County are you crazy haha. They have a program a great one and why would they want a guy with one year of he ad coaching experience and. 3-7 record?

[RunItUpTheGut]

I've heard that South Laurel is one of the largest high schools in 5A. Is that correct? There's no excuse for a 3-7 record if that's the case. The best high school coaches recruit their own school unlike any other. I was very surprised by this hire by UC.

How good of a high school job is South Laurel?

North is the 2nd biggest school in 5A according to the new numbers, and South isn't far behind.

[RunItUpTheGut]

If you think that was a bad hire just wait...lol. Rymer is a class act.

Rhymer may be a class act, but UC just played for a national title.
Seems to me they could have gotten a proven coach.

[E's Army]

I'm curious as to what major improvements he made at SL because I saw much of the same this season. He did not have a 9th grade team, not enough numbers. Won 1 or 2 JV games and won 3 varsity games against an opponent record of 7-24.
It just seems the same 2-3 people keep saying on this thread that he was so awesome and changed the culture yet none of you watch the games and see that South went no where this season. Ask the parents how far back he set the program.
As far as being the head coach in waiting at Harlan County are you crazy haha. They have a program a great one and why would they want a guy with one year of he ad coaching experience and. 3-7 record?

Laurel County is a grave yard for coaches. Rhymer was lucky to get out before his career was destroyed.

[E's Army]

Anyone who did not think South moved forward this year is absolutely clueless.

[watcher]

I'm curious as to what major improvements he made at SL because I saw much of the same this season. He did not have a 9th grade team, not enough numbers. Won 1 or 2 JV games and won 3 varsity games against an opponent record of 7-24.
It just seems the same 2-3 people keep saying on this thread that he was so awesome and changed the culture yet none of you watch the games and see that South went no where this season. Ask the parents how far back he set the program.
As far as being the head coach in waiting at Harlan County are you crazy haha. They have a program a great one and why would they want a guy with one year of he ad coaching experience and. 3-7 record?

Do I detect a little jealously?

[Fly Like a Duck]

Congratulations to Rhymer. Tony Franklin went 1-9 before he was hired on as an assistant at UK, Mike Dubose who was the HC at Alabama back in the late 90's, early 200's went 0-11 at a HS down that way a few years back before he made his return back to the college level.

I've always said, there are a lot more good coaches at bad programs than there are bad coaches at good programs & that goes for HS and college.

Personally, what I've seen from South Laurel over the past few years is that it might be time to get under center, two tight ends and come at people instead of trying to spread the field and chucking it all over the place because "that's what they do in college".

They might want to steal a page from North Laurel, Harlan County, etc while we are on the topic of them. Ball control, eat the clock, shorten the game..give the kids a chance. You can still throw the ball out of old school football, quite effectively to be honest.

People think "spread" is the answer for everywhere and it's not. Going old school might not be the answer either as far as wins/losses go right out of the gate. Others will disagree, but there is a big time difference in getting beat 28-7 instead of 58-7 by above average football teams. You get one by shortening the game…you get the other by pretending to look like you are throwing the ball.

[pjdoug]

Who will replace Rhymer?

[Fly Like a Duck]

With the above said, I have no idea what they ran this year; I didn't see them. I'm just going off years past.

[pjdoug]

Congratulations to Rhymer. Tony Franklin went 1-9 before he was hired on as an assistant at UK, Mike Dubose who was the HC at Alabama back in the late 90's, early 200's went 0-11 at a HS down that way a few years back before he made his return back to the college level.

I've always said, there are a lot more good coaches at bad programs than there are bad coaches at good programs & that goes for HS and college.

Personally, what I've seen from South Laurel over the past few years is that it might be time to get under center, two tight ends and come at people instead of trying to spread the field and chucking it all over the place because "that's what they do in college".

They might want to steal a page from North Laurel, Harlan County, etc while we are on the topic of them. Ball control, eat the clock, shorten the game..give the kids a chance. You can still throw the ball out of old school football, quite effectively to be honest.

People think "spread" is the answer for everywhere and it's not. Going old school might not be the answer either as far as wins/losses go right out of the gate. Others will disagree, but there is a big time difference in getting beat 28-7 instead of 58-7 by above average football teams. You get one by shortening the game…you get the other by pretending to look like you are throwing the ball.

I like power football and controlling the clock as long as you have real passing threat and don't let them put 10 men in the box to stop the run. some coaches are too conservative. play to win instead of play to not lose.

[William Muney]

They had nowhere to go but up. Welch was terrible!!

[pjdoug]

I didn't South Laurel this past season but I would say they ran the triple option.

[pjdoug]

watch*

[Fly Like a Duck]

I like power football and controlling the clock as long as you have real passing threat and don't let them put 10 men in the box to stop the run. some coaches are too conservative. play to win instead of play to not lose.

There is a time and place for that. I don't know of anybody that puts 10 men in the box, unless they are playing somebody who they know really isn't going to throw the ball….as in, at all; none. I've just never been someone who thought trying to throw it more than you should w/ an average (or below) QB and skill kids is considered "playing to win" more than trying to get 3 yds a play, with throwing it 5-10 times a game (and, the bulk of them being home run type balls, which are usually easier to complete b/c so many people committing to the run).

But, it's just the day and age we live in. It's like the "Read Option" vs. the "Triple Option", one just sounds better (b/c the media refers to it as Read Option) than the other. Both are built around the same principles (just reading different people, but it's still OPTION football), but one is being done from the shotgun w/ 1 back (which is a double option) and sometimes motioning a slot (to become the triple option)…and, the other is under center.

Or the "Wildcat" instead of the "Single Wing". One was built around the other, but one is 100+ years old and the other is less than 10. Sounds cooler.

I find it funny that this year, both teams playing in the 6A finals were old Delaware Wing T (Scott County) or Wing T/Wishbone (Meade County) & there might not have been 10 passes completed in the game amongst either of them….yet, you don't hear anything about them. Belfry might have completed two passes in their win & DeSales, while they were/are a Wing T based team was a little more flexible in their formations (some I, some spread looks), yet the schemes remained the same across the board….formations were just smoke and mirrors.

I love how people make the statement "we don't have the line to be smash mouthed"; and, I counter with, "But they are good enough to be on an island, pass blocking 1 on 1. That makes sense."

[Fly Like a Duck]

You have to be able to throw the ball, though. I'm not saying that at all.

Something fun to watch are these old Wishbone/Wing T teams that have a great screen game off of their play actions. Fun stuff to watch. Handfull of run plays, a couple play actions and a couple of screens off those same play actions. Talk about effective and a thing of beauty….a lost art.

[pjdoug]

There is a time and place for that. I don't know of anybody that puts 10 men in the box, unless they are playing somebody who they know really isn't going to throw the ball….as in, at all; none. I've just never been someone who thought trying to throw it more than you should w/ an average (or below) QB and skill kids is considered "playing to win" more than trying to get 3 yds a play, with throwing it 5-10 times a game (and, the bulk of them being home run type balls, which are usually easier to complete b/c so many people committing to the run).

But, it's just the day and age we live in. It's like the "Read Option" vs. the "Triple Option", one just sounds better (b/c the media refers to it as Read Option) than the other. Both are built around the same principles (just reading different people, but it's still OPTION football), but one is being done from the shotgun w/ 1 back (which is a double option) and sometimes motioning a slot (to become the triple option)…and, the other is under center.

Or the "Wildcat" instead of the "Single Wing". One was built around the other, but one is 100+ years old and the other is less than 10. Sounds cooler.

I find it funny that this year, both teams playing in the 6A finals were old Delaware Wing T (Scott County) or Wing T/Wishbone (Meade County) & there might not have been 10 passes completed in the game amongst either of them….yet, you don't hear anything about them. Belfry might have completed two passes in their win & DeSales, while they were/are a Wing T based team was a little more flexible in their formations (some I, some spread looks), yet the schemes remained the same across the board….formations were just smoke and mirrors.

I love how people make the statement "we don't have the line to be smash mouthed"; and, I counter with, "But they are good enough to be on an island, pass blocking 1 on 1. That makes sense."

that was my point.a defense CAN put 10 men in the box if they know which play you are going to run every time lol. good quarterbacks should be developed in lower grades but some schools don't seem to be interested in throwing the ball. I think no matter which offense you run it comes down to good coaching though. a good coach will recognize a defense putting everybody in the box and make them pay for it.

[pjdoug]

You have to be able to throw the ball, though. I'm not saying that at all.

Something fun to watch are these old Wishbone/Wing T teams that have a great screen game off of their play actions. Fun stuff to watch. Handfull of run plays, a couple play actions and a couple of screens off those same play actions. Talk about effective and a thing of beauty….a lost art.

I like that kind of offense with screens and slants to keep the defense offguard.

[Fly Like a Duck]

that was my point.a defense CAN put 10 men in the box if they know which play you are going to run every time lol. good quarterbacks should be developed in lower grades but some schools don't seem to be interested in throwing the ball. I think no matter which offense you run it comes down to good coaching though. a good coach will recognize a defense putting everybody in the box and make them pay for it.

I was meaning "if they know that you are GOING TO RUN it every time". To the common fans eye, and even some coaches…all b/t the tackle plays look the same & they aren't.

It's also one of the perks of some old school offense like the Wishbone, Double Wing, Straight T, Flexbone (like GA Tech and Belfry)..they are truly balanced formations (basing this off them all being double tight or no tights). They don't tip their hat. What they can do to one side, they can do to other. The same could be set for 4 Wide Spread teams that line up in the pistol…truly balanced.

There are a lot more spread teams out there who think they have a developed QB than there are those that do, too.

The best QB development there is IMO, for HS kids, is for them to play baseball…in particular being a pitcher. You show me a good pitcher, and Ill show you a kid who probably can be a decent HS QB (all be it that he can move and fits the type, not your 290 lbs left tackle lol).

[Fly Like a Duck]

I like that kind of offense with screens and slants to keep the defense offguard.

You said it right here. Often times, the threat of throwing does as much as actually throwing it.

Telling ya, there is nothing better to watch than old school offense who makes their living off just trying to move the chains, but also has the ability to raise up and go for broke a few times a game…and, all it takes is connect a couple times and those 8/9/10 man boxes become 7/8 man fronts….which makes those 3 yard gains turn into 5+ every time.

[Fly Like a Duck]

As far as QB development, developing a QB is like any other positions….the kid(s) have to have a little something about them. The good QB's I know who played in college, those I played with in college, etc. all had a little something about them that, quite honestly….you just can't coach. An "IT" factor if you will. Be it from an athletic ability standpoint to a mental attitude, etc.

You'd be surprised at the number of QB's out there who in drills, on air, vs. 7v7 look like a million bucks….but, when guys are coming after them to take off their head to send it in a box back to their mom absolutely crap down their legs. Kind of like that scene from unnecessary roughness, where the QB goes behind the ref and says, "Blow the Whistle! Blow the Whistle!"

It's just that tough of a position to play, and you can't simulate that kind of look in the offseason.

I think we have all heard the stereotypes of good QB's as them being cocky, etc…well, they almost have to be. All of the ones I talked about above who I consider to be good QB's, all had that in them. People to this day either love them or hate them. They almost have to have that persona about them of, "yeah, sorry…I'm just better than you."

[pjdoug]

You said it right here. Often times, the threat of throwing does as much as actually throwing it.

Telling ya, there is nothing better to watch than old school offense who makes their living off just trying to move the chains, but also has the ability to raise up and go for broke a few times a game…and, all it takes is connect a couple times and those 8/9/10 man boxes become 7/8 man fronts….which makes those 3 yard gains turn into 5+ every time.

I fully agree and it is hard to defend against.

[olewillie]

But who is going to be coach? You guys get way off track....

[pjdoug]

this thread doesn't ask who is going to be the coach?

[TriCountySports]

There is no way to know who is going to be the coach, and that decision won't be made for a while. I'd say a coach will be named in a month, at the minimum.

[Patriot]

I still think Harlan County should of done what ever it took to have him waiting to take over for Larkey when he leaves. He is young, Good moral Christian person, Heck of a coach, From Harlan County, and would be there for a long time. Not sure if he still has family there or not. I just think HC missed the boat on that one.

His roots are deep in Williamsburg. The last three coaching jobs he has had he lived in Williamsburg. He and his wife just bought a house there. Good Luck to a classy, football smart young man that will recruit KY kids as hard or harder as any KY coach.

I'd say South will have to give a up and comer a change they aren't going to lure any big names unless they are looking for a challenge, and some just maybe looking.

[pjdoug]

looks like real estate business is good in Williamsburg

[HG_Bullfrogs]

Do I detect a little jealously?

I asked a legitimate question, what has he done?
Everything he said about staying the course and the promises he made will not be carried through due to his departure.
What would I be jealous of? I root for bothLC schools and have had family at both. Like I said I wanted an answer about what he's done since you felt the need to say he was the man in about 5 posts

[rojas]

I don't know about football but in basketball fans have the misconception that a small college job is a step up from a good high school job. Nothing could be further from the truth. Most NAIA games are played in empty gyms. There is very little fan support. I guarantee the head coach at Knox Central makes more money than the head coach at Union. The same goes for Cumberland, Georgetown and Lindsey Wilson.

[E's Army]

Jim Black would be a good guy for South. He is solid coach who could help stabilize their program.