[Truth]

lol....Why would someone who has won 4 straight regional titles at a school that is so far superior to Paul Blazer in every facet (academically & athletically)?..JC has won 6 regional titles since the last time Paul Blazer has won one...That would be a major demotion. What an ego some of you Tomcat fans have!!:lmao:

Very realistic observation.

[PHSForever]

I heard Allen Hatcher or Jason Booher

Booher won't happen.

[TSRAILERS]

I've heard the Ashland job has gone outside the border of KY into neighboring states.

[Mountain BB Fan]

I've heard the Ashland job has gone outside the border of KY into neighboring states.

Martin County is almost outside the state. Heard at state tournament that Frankie Smith from Sheldon Clark met with Ashland officials and was offered the head coaching job. Need to work out a few details about job for his wife and it is a done deal.

[3sportfan]

That is the rumor

[Mjolnir]

Frankie Smith says "color me gone" Ashland Bound !!!!!

[Truth]

I understand that Smith coaches at Shelden Clark. What accomplishments make him a candidate for the Ashland job? Ashland is one of the twenty or so high profile high school basketball jobs in the Commonwealth. Why should we believe he can handle it?

[Pulp Fiction]

I understand that Smith coaches at Shelden Clark. What accomplishments make him a candidate for the Ashland job? Ashland is one of the twenty or so high profile high school basketball jobs in the Commonwealth. Why should we believe he can handle it?

:biglmao: :hilarious: :lmao:

Ashland hasn't been to the Sweet 16 since 2002.

Yes, they do have four state championships (1928, 1933, 1934, 1961) but nothing in over fifty years. To say they are 'High Profile' is crazy.

A 5-27 season record last season, with two of those wins coming over a winless Rose Hill Christian is not 'High Profile.'

[kaylamoore]

Let's see...

Frankie Smith, for one, has coached at the college level -- Miami, OH. Not to mention the decade of coaching high school Opened Sheldon Clark's season with 9 straight victories. Had the best record in the 15th region at 23-6. Won the 57th District championship, which is notorious for being one of the hardest in the area. He has turned SC into a regional contender... not an easy feat.

I can only think of a few better basketball minds in the mountains. If it's true, SC will hate to see him go but Ashland will be blessed to get him.

[Truth]

:biglmao: :hilarious: :lmao:

Ashland hasn't been to the Sweet 16 since 2002.

Yes, they do have four state championships (1928, 1933, 1934, 1961) but nothing in over fifty years. To say they are 'High Profile' is crazy.

A 5-27 season record last season, with two of those wins coming over a winless Rose Hill Christian is not 'High Profile.'

I would suggest that you are not familiar with the use of the term "high profile". Actually, it has nothing to do with recent winning. By high profile, I obviously mean it is a prime job that is subject to a lot of scrutiny by those who support the program and by others who are familiar with the program. Ashland, as the most well known and historically successful program east of Winchester, certainly falls into that category. Sheldon Clark and its competition in the 15th Region obviously do not.

Since I never heard of Smith, I was inquiring as to what credentials he possesses that would make him a legitimate candidate for the Ashland job. Winning the 57th District isn't particularly impressive.

[WinkWinkler]

Frankie Smith did win state championships at Tug Valley in West Virginia. He is one of the best coaches in this area. Placed with proper resources and support from the school administration then he would deliver a state championship caliber team. Couple this with his college connections that would benefit the players then Ashland would hit a "home run" with this hire.

[Truth]

Frankie Smith did win state championships at Tug Valley in West Virginia. He is one of the best coaches in this area. Placed with proper resources and support from the school administration then he would deliver a state championship caliber team. Couple this with his college connections that would benefit the players then Ashland would hit a "home run" with this hire.

Now that, though a bit over the top, is an informative post. One fact is certain. Whoever takes the Ashland job will have plenty of monetary resources. As for talent resources, assuming there is no recruiting, time will tell.

[Creeker]

I, personally, just can't see Ashland going with Smith for the job.

[kaylamoore]

So sorry for not being informative enough for you -- my apologies for not stressing the importance of winning championships in a state with several classes to water it down. Who would've ever dreamed that college coaching experience was more important?

Not knocking Frankie on that, if you couldn't tell, I admire Frankie a lot... but I find his other accomplishments a lot more impressive.

Also, if you don't find the 57th to be one of the toughest mountain districts to come out of, you're likely the first.

[HD28]

Kayla brings up a salient point; a state championship in WVa is not like a state championship in Kentucky. How many schools were in his class? Doesn't make him less of a coach, but its apples and oranges when considering WVa and Kentucky basketball state championships.

And to the poster who stated he "would deliver a state championship", that's pure hyperbole. You have NO way of knowing that.

[UK#24]

Coach Smith is a good coach would be a good hire for Ashland.

[Truth]

So sorry for not being informative enough for you -- my apologies for not stressing the importance of winning championships in a state with several classes to water it down. Who would've ever dreamed that college coaching experience was more important?

Not knocking Frankie on that, if you couldn't tell, I admire Frankie a lot... but I find his other accomplishments a lot more impressive.

Also, if you don't find the 57th to be one of the toughest mountain districts to come out of, you're likely the first.

I'm sure that the 57th District is one of the toughest mountain districts but that really is immaterial. What does the 57th District champion do when it gets to the regionals and, if applicable, the state? I believe Tug Fork plays in the smallest class in West Virginia. Was Smith an assistant or a GA at Miami? Lots of people served in GA capacities and often tend to be gophers. No offense meant to Smith. I just believe Ashland should look a little higher in the pecking order.

[Creeker]

^ I am not 100% sure, but I think Smith was an assistant at Miami University Ohio and then a Head Coach at Saginaw Valley State University. He lead Tug Valley to a AA State Championship prior to coaching at the college level.

He indeed did coach at the college level and wasn't merely a GA... just ask him he is more than glad to tell you all about it. lol

[Creeker]

:biglmao: :hilarious: :lmao:

Ashland hasn't been to the Sweet 16 since 2002.

Yes, they do have four state championships (1928, 1933, 1934, 1961) but nothing in over fifty years. To say they are 'High Profile' is crazy.

A 5-27 season record last season, with two of those wins coming over a winless Rose Hill Christian is not 'High Profile.'

I know you have some personal issues with Ashland after the softball situation last season, but to make light of Ashlands history is a bit much... Ashland has 4 State Titles, 1 National Title and is the winningest all-time program in the state of KY.

Like Truth pointed out... Ashland has the most successful program this side of Winchester... even if it hasn't shown much success in recent years... You point out that Ashland hasn't been to state since 2002, but did you realize Johnson Central didn't go from 1985 until they went again in 2000 themselves?

[Pulp Fiction]

I know you have some personal issues with Ashland after the softball situation last season, but to make light of Ashlands history is a bit much... Ashland has 4 State Titles, 1 National Title and is the winningest all-time program in the state of KY.

Like Truth pointed out... Ashland has the most successful program this side of Winchester... even if it hasn't shown much success in recent years... You point out that Ashland hasn't been to state since 2002, but did you realize Johnson Central didn't go from 1985 until they went again in 2000 themselves?

It was 1984.... and you never have seen me (of all people) say JC is a 'high profile' basketball school either.

National title... President FDR was in office .... like I've said before, I've got 200 acres of Ocean Front property to sell in Staffordsville, KY.

Winningest all-time program in the state.... all 5 of their wins had to help that number out this season. :biggrin:

What have they done in the last 50 years? NOTHING!!!!
Paintsville. Clay County, South Laurel and Shelby Valley have all done more than Ashland in the past 50 years!

A school can not live on tradition for ever. Ashland does not matter any more like they did all those years ago. So what if they have 4 state titles..... it didn't help them this season.

[Creeker]

^ Actually JC won in 1984... so from 1985 until they won again in 2000 they didn't go... which is what I said.

[Jarons]

It was 1984.... and you never have seen me (of all people) say JC is a 'high profile' basketball school either.

National title... President FDR was in office .... like I've said before, I've got 200 acres of Ocean Front property to sell in Staffordsville, KY.

Winningest all-time program in the state.... all 5 of their wins had to help that number out this season. :biggrin:

What have they done in the last 50 years? NOTHING!!!!
Paintsville. Clay County, South Laurel and Shelby Valley have all done more than Ashland in the past 50 years!

A school can not live on tradition for ever. Ashland does not matter any more like they did all those years ago. So what if they have 4 state titles..... it didn't help them this season.

Actually Calvin Coolidge was in office

[Truth]

I am not an Ashland fan. Anyone who has read my posts knows that. However, Ashland's basketball job is still one of the most sought after and attractive jobs in the Commonwealth. I had forgotten that Pulp Fiction got so upset over the softball fiasco. He had every right to be upset. On the other hand, it wasn't Ashland's call. And, if he would be honest about it, he would have to admit that his Johnson Central would have taken the win any way it could get it. Any team would do the same.

Frankie Smith may well be a fine coach. And, if I read Creeker correctly, Smith will tell you that he is a fine coach. Nonetheless, I believe Ashland should and will aim higher. Of course, I could be wrong. We'll see.

[kaylamoore]

For what it's worth, if he leaves, it will be from MY school and I still would say he's got one of the highest basketball IQs I've seen.

To think Ashland should aim higher... well I don't know who else of that caliber would even be interested. I'm not knocking the program. It IS prestigious and high pressure. But you guys don't exactly have former NBA stars knocking down your door. Would it make you happier if a name like J.R.'s (VanHoose) came along? Is it because you don't know Frankie? Or is it because you do know him that you don't want him? Please explain -- because his resume is plenty enough.

And I like Frankie -- but he has that old-school Ashland attitude. If it happened, it would fit.

[Truth]

For what it's worth, if he leaves, it will be from MY school and I still would say he's got one of the highest basketball IQs I've seen.

To think Ashland should aim higher... well I don't know who else of that caliber would even be interested. I'm not knocking the program. It IS prestigious and high pressure. But you guys don't exactly have former NBA stars knocking down your door. Would it make you happier if a name like J.R.'s (VanHoose) came along? Is it because you don't know Frankie? Or is it because you do know him that you don't want him? Please explain -- because his resume is plenty enough.

And I like Frankie -- but he has that old-school Ashland attitude. If it happened, it would fit.

To be honest, I had never heard of Frankie Smith until reading his name on BGR. And, as I mentioned, I am not a fan of the Ashland basketball program. Nonetheless, I feel that I am as well informed about their program as most any of their fans. I do know that Ashlanders have an ultra high, usually unrealistic, opinion of their program and that is why I believe they will attempt to get a high profile coach who is known. Personally, I hope you keep your coach. But, we will see.

[Pulp Fiction]

Actually Calvin Coolidge was in office

Even worse....

[Kevin]

Even worse....

Don't really know what you meen even worse everybody knows you don't like Smith because he made Rice shake his hand but we disn't here you say anything about Rice shoving players during the hand shake but none the less I personally think you are a piece of shit and by the way head to head Frankie is one up on Your Tommy

[WinkWinkler]

I am confused about people trying to diminish a state championship in another state. They call a state champion in Kentucky a state champion. Do you know what they call them in West Virginia? Answer: a state champion. It takes just as much work no matter what your situation.

[kaylamoore]

I wasn't necessarily diminishing a West Virginia state champion. I was really insinuating that college coaching experience supersedes winning a state championship.

Also, no matter how you want to sugar coat it, it is statistically HARDER to win a championship in Kentucky than in any other state. Face it -- when you have six state champions in a single state, that means six teams win a championship rather than one. Seems pretty simple to me. Nobody said they didn't work hard... but in Kentucky, five of those other state champions would go home without a title at all.

[MR. Slate]

Don't really know what you meen even worse everybody knows you don't like Smith because he made Rice shake his hand but we disn't here you say anything about Rice shoving players during the hand shake but none the less I personally think you are a piece of shit and by the way head to head Frankie is one up on Your Tommy

You don't count the same way I do!!! My count is 3 to 0 . Of course that is regional championship banners I'm talking about!!!!