[Fly Like a Duck]

^^^because those principals are in the classroom with them so much. What a joke.

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

It is a blessing to have my government inflict more rules on how I, as a parent, should raise my child. Thanks to my government there are strict rules on how my child can pray or not pray in school. How the teachers can punish my child while at school and for that matter how I can punish my child at home. Please give me less of having my government tell me how my child should be raised and more of letting me be the parent. Parents are held accountable for everything their kids improperly do at school so let me make the choices for my children without more rules and regulations, PLEASE!

[Blackwater]

I wonder how the kids feel about all this? How about those that don't want to be held back from classmates they started school with and developed friendships. I wonder how they feel when the part about staying back would make them bigger, stronger, and faster didn't happen? How about when that college scholarship for athletics didn't happen? I don't give a flip about what a parents right are, how about the person most effected THE CHILD!

[Stardust]

This is an excellent rule change. This is 100% for the future of the child. If they need to be held back, then it is obvious the child needs to focus on their education and any extra curricular activity, which includes practice, should be eliminated! It is great that the foolish parents who used this as a tool to get their child an advantage were truly the one's who were the one's who needed the extra education. I've said it many times, my son graduated at 17, received a scholarship and played college baseball. So, either your kid is talented, or you are blind to that fact! If you are a parent that sees this as a true need, and see's this as saving their child for the sacrifice of sports only, I applaud you!

I WILL NOT PAY FOR YOUR KID TO BE HELD BACK JUST TO PLAY SPORTS!

I have no issue at all to help fund your child's education to get a better chance in life because he NEEDS IT!

So no people, this is not a GOVERNMENT decision! This is a TAXPAYER decision! And I will not be forced to pay for your child to play! What you pay in taxes does NOT cover the cost of your child to attend school, so NO - THIS IS NOT YOUR DECISION! You will not sit on your @$$ in the stands and dream of Johnny or Jenny's High School sports exploits and force me to pay for it!

I will be happy to contribute my taxes to support the teacher to get overtime to help your child to be a better student! But your child is going to take that time to put into it, and sorry, but that means dedication to being a student and picking up extracurricular activities the following year!

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

I wonder how the kids feel about all this? How about those that don't want to be held back from classmates they started school with and developed friendships. I wonder how they feel when the part about staying back would make them bigger, stronger, and faster didn't happen? How about when that college scholarship for athletics didn't happen? I don't give a flip about what a parents right are, how about the person most effected THE CHILD!

You are right! Parents should have no say in their child's life. Let the children make all the choices in their lives. I'm afraid to discipline or correct my child because it may negatively affect them.NOT! That's exactly why..........oh it's not worth the argument. I'll gladly raise my kids if the government will let me.

[Stardust]

You are right! Parents should have no say in their child's life. Let the children make all the choices in their lives. I'm afraid to discipline or correct my child because it may negatively affect them.NOT! That's exactly why..........oh it's not worth the argument. I'll gladly raise my kids if the government will let me.

I'm sorry, since when did you be the Government? When did your right as a US Citizen be taken away from you that you can no longer take action and make a difference in the way you are governed? What actions have you led to give you your rights back? Did they not let you run for office? Did they hold you at government gunpoint because you took issues to Capital Hill? Did they send the tax-man after your family with threats because you stood at the city building educating the masses about the wrongs they they do not know about? I'm sorry, but what has been done to you that none of the rest of us have been subjected to? Why is it that you are not allowed to stand-up and take action versus saying that "The Man" is ruining your rights to freedom? Or, is it too convenient to do none of that and just complain?

[Blackwater]

Didn't say anything about how YOU dicilpine your child or how you raise your child. Glad you have discipline, that is rare. I asked, how do the kids feel? You keep telling everyone how you feel and how the government controls you. How do you think your child feels when they have no say so in a life altering decision? So your rational is thsi: By Golly my child is going to stay back and and play sports and they will have a better chance to win and get a college scholarship. That is what life is all about, they are going to have a chance that i didn't have. I don't care how my child feels I make their choices for them. I know what is best, they don't, they can't make the right choices yet. How many I's did we just use!

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

I wonder how the kids feel about all this? How about those that don't want to be held back from classmates they started school with and developed friendships. I wonder how they feel when the part about staying back would make them bigger, stronger, and faster didn't happen? How about when that college scholarship for athletics didn't happen? I don't give a flip about what a parents right are, how about the person most effected THE CHILD!

I'm sorry, since when did you be the Government? When did your right as a US Citizen be taken away from you that you can no longer take action and make a difference in the way you are governed? What actions have you led to give you your rights back? Did they not let you run for office? Did they hold you at government gunpoint because you took issues to Capital Hill? Did they send the tax-man after your family with threats because you stood at the city building educating the masses about the wrongs they they do not know about? I'm sorry, but what has been done to you that none of the rest of us have been subjected to? Why is it that you are not allowed to stand-up and take action versus saying that "The Man" is ruining your rights to freedom? Or, is it too convenient to do none of that and just complain?

Speaking up against something is the start. I'm sorry my views are different to yours. Last I checked I still had freedom of speech but it appears you would like to see that gone to unless one has a resume of governmental involvement.

[Blackwater]

I agree with some of what Stardust says, but please don't lump my post in with his on freedom of speech. I'm not getting in on that argument. Your last sentence needs a little work to make sense. Maybe you should have stayed back a year and worked on grammar skills.

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

Didn't say anything about how YOU dicilpine your child or how you raise your child. Glad you have discipline, that is rare. I asked, how do the kids feel? You keep telling everyone how you feel and how the government controls you. How do you think your child feels when they have no say so in a life altering decision? So your rational is thsi: By Golly my child is going to stay back and and play sports and they will have a better chance to win and get a college scholarship. That is what life is all about, they are going to have a chance that i didn't have. I don't care how my child feels I make their choices for them. I know what is best, they don't, they can't make the right choices yet. How many I's did we just use!

Every day of the lives of my children I make decisions that could and probably does alter their life. Every day. That is why every day I get on my knees and ask for guidance and help. Believe me, it's the every day choices that impacts the lives of my children, not the one or two "bigger ones".

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

I agree with some of what Stardust says, but please don't lump my post in with his on freedom of speech. I'm not getting in on that argument. Your last sentence needs a little work to make sense. Maybe you should have stayed back a year and worked on grammar skills.

Personal attacks are completely unnecessary, but if that makes you guys feel superior then okay.

[khsgamenight]

Guys, this rule is going to accomplish nothing. As it has been said in this thread many times before, parents who want to hold their child back to repeat a grade will just do it before the student reaches middle school. And there is nothing that the KBE or the KHSAA can do about it. If they push the requirement back to elementary school it will just happen in the primary grades before the child is even eligible to participate in sports.

Another thing I see happening, is the introduction of more sports leagues that are not affiliated with the school system at all. There will be options for students who are forced to sit out during the year they are repeating.

[Blackwater]

Sorry, I apologize. Should not have posted that about you grammar skills. However, when you make the choice to argue a point, others that do not agree with you will look for flaws to make you look uninformed. Good luck to you and your child. I hope they learn to stand on their own two feet and make right decisions sometime before they leave home. The world is not fair. A valuable life skill is to learn how to manage right or wrong decisions.

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

Sorry, I apologize. Should not have posted that about you grammar skills. However, when you make the choice to argue a point, others that do not agree with you will look for flaws to make you look uninformed. Good luck to you and your child. I hope they learn to stand on their own two feet and make right decisions sometime before they leave home. The world is not fair. A valuable life skill is to learn how to manage right or wrong decisions.

Worry about the plank in your eye before you are concerned about the speck in my eye. My children are standing on solid ground.

[Panther Thunder]

This is an excellent rule change. This is 100% for the future of the child. If they need to be held back, then it is obvious the child needs to focus on their education and any extra curricular activity, which includes practice, should be eliminated! It is great that the foolish parents who used this as a tool to get their child an advantage were truly the one's who were the one's who needed the extra education. I've said it many times, my son graduated at 17, received a scholarship and played college baseball. So, either your kid is talented, or you are blind to that fact! If you are a parent that sees this as a true need, and see's this as saving their child for the sacrifice of sports only, I applaud you!

I WILL NOT PAY FOR YOUR KID TO BE HELD BACK JUST TO PLAY SPORTS!

I have no issue at all to help fund your child's education to get a better chance in life because he NEEDS IT!

So no people, this is not a GOVERNMENT decision! This is a TAXPAYER decision! And I will not be forced to pay for your child to play! What you pay in taxes does NOT cover the cost of your child to attend school, so NO - THIS IS NOT YOUR DECISION! You will not sit on your @$$ in the stands and dream of Johnny or Jenny's High School sports exploits and force me to pay for it!

I will be happy to contribute my taxes to support the teacher to get overtime to help your child to be a better student! But your child is going to take that time to put into it, and sorry, but that means dedication to being a student and picking up extracurricular activities the following year!

What about Privately schooled children?

[Blackwater]

Sorry everyone. This post isn't to argue, but to discuss issues and voice our opinions. I'm out.

[Mjolnir]

How much taxpayer money gets wasted per year to hold back kids for no academic reason? If the school doesn't feel your child needs to be held back, then the parents should pay for the extra year of school, not the public. (Especially in regards to the "free babysitter" comment.) Schools are for education, not for sports. Sports, like any other extra-curricular activities, are meant to enrich the academic environment, not eclipse it. We have lost sight of this as a state and a country in many instances.

I feel exactly the same way. Parents have dreams of their child playing D1 ball and becoming a pro,and its great to dream. I have,however seen children become resentful in this situation. You know what, when they graduate college and have to get a job that 2 year holdback may not be one bit better than other applicants. They have enjoyed their physical advantage over others in sports but may not see it here. How do they cope then?

[Stardust]

What about Privately schooled children?

The parent pays, I don't!

[64SUR]

Everybody need to play kentucky lottery..KEEP COAL ALIVE :Cheerlead

[Stardust]

Speaking up against something is the start. I'm sorry my views are different to yours. Last I checked I still had freedom of speech but it appears you would like to see that gone to unless one has a resume of governmental involvement.

Wow me with your breadth of intelligence and show me the exact quote that I inferred anything like this?

As for speaking up as a start, are you kidding me? Hiding behind a fake name on a message board is not "SPEAKING UP". If you want to have a true impact on your child's well being, and not blame it on "The Man", then tell us what civil activities you plan to undertake to gain control back of rearing your children!

I love how people want to blame it on everyone else, but take no action to correct things with their constitutional rights! YOU are the Government, nobody else but YOU!

Back to the topic at hand, if people don't like this ruling, then don't bitch about it on a message board, petition your school board, they had a voice in the final decision! Petition the State School Board, they had the final say! Start a writing campaign to the State Legislators and get a Grass Roots effort behind you and MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

As for me, I will tell my legislators that I will NOT pay my hard earned taxes for someone else's child to hold back once they have already started their school years for the sole purpose of ATHLETICS! But I support 100% the state to raise money by whatever means to pay for a child who has true academic issues and NEEDS to be held back - but that condition comes by that student focussing 100% on school work, not athletics!

[Cardfan1]

"Back to the topic at hand, if people don't like this ruling, then don't bitch about it on a message board, petition your school board, they had a voice in the final decision! "

Would you prefer we didn't talk about these things on message boards?
I guess they would shutdown.

You guys keep fighting tooth and nail against holdbacks those "grassroots" efforts aren't wasted at all.

Meanwhile parents who feel their kids need an extra year for whatever reason will continue to hold their child back. Myself and all the parents and children I know had a great experience. Sorry to all the taxpayers.

[Stardust]

^ You should hold your child back, you absolutely have that right and NO ONE has said otherwise because your child needed it for educational purposes. That is your right, and nothing has changed in that!

But you no longer get to hold them back because you want your child to compete athletically, because your child is not good enough to compete where they are currently at. That is not what the educational system is for!

LOL, convenient for you to not understand the "Message Board" comment! Bitching about it on a message board makes a difference how???? What law, rule, or decision has EVER been changed using a fake name on a message board. Get out there and fight the decision-makers, because they sure won't care about what is said here!@

[willseeuntheHOUSE]

Wow me with your breadth of intelligence and show me the exact quote that I inferred anything like this?

As for speaking up as a start, are you kidding me? Hiding behind a fake name on a message board is not "SPEAKING UP". If you want to have a true impact on your child's well being, and not blame it on "The Man", then tell us what civil activities you plan to undertake to gain control back of rearing your children!

I love how people want to blame it on everyone else, but take no action to correct things with their constitutional rights! YOU are the Government, nobody else but YOU!

Back to the topic at hand, if people don't like this ruling, then don't bitch about it on a message board, petition your school board, they had a voice in the final decision! Petition the State School Board, they had the final say! Start a writing campaign to the State Legislators and get a Grass Roots effort behind you and MAKE A DIFFERENCE!

As for me, I will tell my legislators that I will NOT pay my hard earned taxes for someone else's child to hold back once they have already started their school years for the sole purpose of ATHLETICS! But I support 100% the state to raise money by whatever means to pay for a child who has true academic issues and NEEDS to be held back - but that condition comes by that student focussing 100% on school work, not athletics!

1. The entire jest of your original comment to me ( why you chose to address me I don't understand, my comment was my opinion as are yours) was "if you don't get involved in government then you have no right to complain. My right to complain comes from the fact that I'm an American citizen and by that right I have freedom of speech regardless of how much or little I choose to involve myself in the political system. I have that right until the government chooses to takes those rights away as they have done in other aspects our lives. FYI I am involved in local government.
2. The rules of this site do not include advertising your name. If that bothers you so much then be my guest to stop using your "STARDUST" name and set an example for all of us and use only your real name. Quit complaining, as you tell me, and put your money where your mouth is. Until the rules are changed then I will continue on. Feel free to PM me and I will gladly give you my name and phone number.
3. I pay taxes just as you do, (if you want to, we can compare who paid the most in property taxes), and I have not problems with that tax money helping a kid out. Would gladly direct more of my tax money in that direction than where most of it goes but we do not have the luxury of choosing what programs our taxes go to benefit.
4. To set limitations on young kids in any shape or form is a shame. I understand that there are those of you that vehemently disagree with that notion and I accept that.

[Buc Wild]

A sign of ignorance is not being able to discuss things in a mature way and resorting to name calling. I do believe I never did any name calling, just asked to justify why a kid should be held back in middle school for reasons other than academics. It has to be very hard and embarrassing for a kid to be held back in middle school (teasing/bullying); if you are going to hold back do it in grade school so it does not have so much emotional effect on the kids.

Yeah, you're right. Next time I'll just be condescending and act as if I'm holier than thou as opposed to getting to the point.

I'm glad your daughter has excelled even though the position you put her in is a recipe for disaster in most cases, especially for boys.

Happy??

[Buc Wild]

A sign of ignorance is not being able to discuss things in a mature way and resorting to name calling. I do believe I never did any name calling, just asked to justify why a kid should be held back in middle school for reasons other than academics. It has to be very hard and embarrassing for a kid to be held back in middle school (teasing/bullying); if you are going to hold back do it in grade school so it does not have so much emotional effect on the kids.

I wonder how the kids feel about all this? How about those that don't want to be held back from classmates they started school with and developed friendships. I wonder how they feel when the part about staying back would make them bigger, stronger, and faster didn't happen? How about when that college scholarship for athletics didn't happen? I don't give a flip about what a parents right are, how about the person most effected THE CHILD!

So your kid makes the big decisions in your house??

Good luck with that.

[Stardust]

1. The entire jest of your original comment to me ( why you chose to address me I don't understand, my comment was my opinion as are yours) was "if you don't get involved in government then you have no right to complain. My right to complain comes from the fact that I'm an American citizen and by that right I have freedom of speech regardless of how much or little I choose to involve myself in the political system. I have that right until the government chooses to takes those rights away as they have done in other aspects our lives. FYI I am involved in local government.
2. The rules of this site do not include advertising your name. If that bothers you so much then be my guest to stop using your "STARDUST" name and set an example for all of us and use only your real name. Quit complaining, as you tell me, and put your money where your mouth is. Until the rules are changed then I will continue on. Feel free to PM me and I will gladly give you my name and phone number.
3. I pay taxes just as you do, (if you want to, we can compare who paid the most in property taxes), and I have not problems with that tax money helping a kid out. Would gladly direct more of my tax money in that direction than where most of it goes but we do not have the luxury of choosing what programs our taxes go to benefit.
4. To set limitations on young kids in any shape or form is a shame. I understand that there are those of you that vehemently disagree with that notion and I accept that.

1. You chose to make the argument that it is Government who dictated how you raise your child - You are wrong! Tou want to complain, you have that right! You want to make a difference, then take an action!
2. There are NO SUCH RULES on this site - You are wrong! I don't get on this site nor any other pseudo social media outlet to make a difference!
3. You may have paid more taxes, but it is very doubtful. Because of how much tax I pay, I am directly involved in how my tax dollars are spent! I could care less about your name and number, but if you want to make a difference in your community, then make 100% sure that your Legislators know them!
4. No limitations should be set on kids, ZERO! But limitations MUST be set on parents who use ignorance for their gain! Holding a kid back for Sports, which is a privilege is not one of them! Providing children with an education is all of our responsibility, thus we WILL educate our children and make their RIGHTS a priority!

[footballfever]

I simply want to ask.
Does a kid who leaves home and goes away to college at 17 or just turn 18 succeed/fail as a college freshman at the same rate as a kid who has been held back and goes away to college at 19?

[Mjolnir]

1. You chose to make the argument that it is Government who dictated how you raise your child - You are wrong! Tou want to complain, you have that right! You want to make a difference, then take an action!
2. There are NO SUCH RULES on this site - You are wrong! I don't get on this site nor any other pseudo social media outlet to make a difference!
3. You may have paid more taxes, but it is very doubtful. Because of how much tax I pay, I am directly involved in how my tax dollars are spent! I could care less about your name and number, but if you want to make a difference in your community, then make 100% sure that your Legislators know them!
4. No limitations should be set on kids, ZERO! But limitations MUST be set on parents who use ignorance for their gain! Holding a kid back for Sports, which is a privilege is not one of them! Providing children with an education is all of our responsibility, thus we WILL educate our children and make their RIGHTS a priority!

Comment 4 says it all, parents will just have to hold their child back earlier(say the 4th grade) thinking people by the time they get to jr.high forget that the child is 2 years older than the others. Have seen first hand people saying wow she/he is very good and parent replies smugly " just in 4th grade " ! They conveniently and sometimes defiantly take offense to even the mention of child's age.

[Stardust]

I simply want to ask.
Does a kid who leaves home and goes away to college at 17 or just turn 18 succeed/fail as a college freshman at the same rate as a kid who has been held back and goes away to college at 19?

I didn't. As a Junior, so far my Son didn't!

I have an October Birthday. As a 16 yo Senior, I did well in Football and played scholarship baseball!

I know we are talking apples and oranges, but an athlete is an athlete - Bryce Harper was 17 when he started college baseball. Kobe Bryant did OK going straight to the NBA as a 17 yo.

If you are good enough at 19, then you were good enough at 17!

Let your kids be who they "Are", not who you "Think" they are. Again, if this whole argument is about sports, then it is the parents who are foolish and you have no right asking the public to pay for that foolishness! If it's about education, then we all support it and gladly pay for it!!

[Fly Like a Duck]

Problem is, in this day and age....be in 3rd grade or 8th grade, if a kid is held back and is a pretty decent athlete for his age; public perception is that it's for sports (and, usually by all of those out there who A) sucked themselves and/or B) have kids who are chips off the old block).

....if it's they play the tuba, nobody gives a rip.


As I've said before, I have NEVER seen holding a kid back negatively effect them; in any avenue.