[TheRealThing]

All those calling for the head of George Zimmerman have gotten their STRONG opinion on the matter from sources like the 'Today Show' which aired an edited version of Zimmerman's conversation with police. How anybody can deny the media are biased is beyond me. Yet, the attitudes and political views of the vast majority of folks brimming with contempt for those on the right get their information, and their brainwashing, from folks like the producer who NBC News had to fire over the now famous edited tape;



ARTICLE EXCERPT---

NEW YORK (AP) — "NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.

An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.

The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.

NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."

END EXCERPT---

http://www.windstream.net/news/read.php?...3E&ps=1005


The matter has been politicized by the Sharpton's, Jackson's and media zealots out there but, we are not politicizing things merely by pointing out the bias of those stirring the racial pot.

[TheRealVille]

All those calling for the head of George Zimmerman have gotten their STRONG opinion on the matter from sources like the 'Today Show' which aired an edited version of Zimmerman's conversation with police. How anybody can deny the media are biased is beyond me. Yet, the attitudes and political views of the vast majority of folks brimming with contempt for those on the right get their information, and their brainwashing, from folks like the producer who NBC News had to fire over the now famous edited tape;



ARTICLE EXCERPT---

NEW YORK (AP) — "NBC News has fired a producer for editing a recording of George Zimmerman's call to police the night he shot Trayvon Martin, a person with direct knowledge of the matter said Saturday.

The person was not authorized to talk about the situation publicly and spoke on the condition of anonymity. The identity of the producer was not disclosed.

An NBC spokeswoman declined to comment.

The producer's dismissal followed an internal investigation that led to NBC apologizing for having aired the misleading audio.

NBC's "Today" show first aired the edited version of Zimmerman's call on March 27. The recording viewers heard was trimmed to suggest that Zimmerman volunteered to police, with no prompting, that Martin was black: "This guy looks like he's up to no good. He looks black."

But the portion of the tape that was deleted had the 911 dispatcher asking Zimmerman if the person who had raised his suspicion was "black, white or Hispanic," to which Zimmerman responded, "He looks black."

END EXCERPT---

http://www.windstream.net/news/read.php?...3E&ps=1005


The matter has been politicized by the Sharpton's, Jackson's and media zealots out there but, we are not politicizing things merely by pointing out the bias of those stirring the racial pot.

And this has what to do with the facts of the case?

[Hoot Gibson]

And this has what to do with the facts of the case?

If the media has distorted the facts of the case and omitted some facts altogether, then what makes you think that you know what the facts are?

The media narrative for this story was that a racist white man gunned down a young black kid simply because he presented an easy target. Now we know that there is no evidence that Zimmerman is a racist, he is a Jewish-Hispanic man, the media deliberately used photos of Martin as a small 13 or 14 year old boy, there was a physical altercation that preceded the shooting, and an eyewitness who said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him and banging his head against the ground.

None of that means that Zimmerman is not guilty of some crime but the "facts" on which you based your opinions about this case have certainly not been reported in a complete or an objective manner.

[TheRealVille]

If the media has distorted the facts of the case and omitted some facts altogether, then what makes you think that you know what the facts are?

The media narrative for this story was that a racist white man gunned down a young black kid simply because he presented an easy target. Now we know that there is no evidence that Zimmerman is a racist, he is a Jewish-Hispanic man, the media deliberately used photos of Martin as a small 13 or 14 year old boy, there was a physical altercation that preceded the shooting, and an eyewitness who said that Martin was on top of Zimmerman punching him and banging his head against the ground.

None of that means that Zimmerman is not guilty of some crime but the "facts" on which you based your opinions about this case have certainly not been reported in a complete or an objective manner.

Care to show where an eyewitness saw it? That is the way Zimmerman told it. As you well know, there were no fight marks on either person.

[TheRealVille]

Care to show where an eyewitness saw it? That is the way Zimmerman told it. As you well know, there were no fight marks on either person.

And the audio expert has said that it wasn't Zimmerman screaming for help. That only leaves one person. Remember Zimmerman is the person that said they were the only two people there. The lady that called in one of the 911 calls, said on the call that she couldn't see either of them, only the cries for help(which can be heard on the tape of the call, and the ones the expert said aren't Zimmerman), and then the shot.

For the record, the only facts I speak of are from Zimmerman, his call to 911, the woman's call to 911, and the expert. I have heard very little from the TV media.

[Hoot Gibson]

Care to show where an eyewitness saw it? That is the way Zimmerman told it. As you well know, there were no fight marks on either person.

The police report stated that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head and was treated for his injuries at the scene. The witness, 13-year old Austin Brown, reportedly told police that he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying in the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before hearing a gunshot. As for the voice analysis experts, other experts have come forward to criticize the validity of their methods, yet you keep stating that the person screaming for help was not Zimmerman as if that were an undisputed fact - ignoring the fact that Martin's own father initially said that the cries were not those of his son and Zimmerman's brother (maybe his father) claiming that it was Zimmerman yelling.

With the conflicting accounts in the media and police report, there is know way for any of us to know what the facts of this case are. Yet that has not stopped you from attacking people who were willing to wait for the facts to shake out before calling for Zimmerman's arrest.

[TheRealThing]

And this has what to do with the facts of the case?

It has nothing to do with the facts. Just stating that you seem to be upset about the case and all you know, is what people like the fired Today Show producer are telling you. There are witnesses/witness from what interviewed members of the police force who has jurisdiction in the case has said.

[Granny Bear]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/09/tra...latestnews

[Granny Bear]

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/09/us/florida...?hpt=hp_t1


to be fair

[laker20]

I don't think any of us are saying that Zimmerman isn't guilty of a crime....only that until there is enough incriminating evidence to prove that he's guilty of a crime, he's as entitled to the same rights that you or I are. Violating someone's rights in never acceptable even if its under the guise of protecting another's.

Thomas Jefferson said:
"It is more dangerous that even a guilty person should be punished without the forms of law than that he should escape."

This sums up where many of us stand on Zimmerman.

[Granny Bear]

^^
It was never my intent to comment on guilt or innocence.

The two points that I wanted to make was 1- it's such a tragedy for this young man to have lost his life!! 2- I was offended when people used this tragedy to promote their personal agenda, and I think the media fed those people.

[vundy33]

There's two tragedy's here. One is that a young man lost his life...doesn't get to get married, have kids, grandkids, any of that. The second is that another person, Zimmerman, who is a great guy by all accounts, has probably now had his life ruined. Not only by what happened and the fallout, but the fact that he has to live with it forever.

Just a bad situation, and this stuff happens. But he should be prosecuted in my opinion...I think it's clear that he's guilty of Manslaughter and a weapons charge, and that's it. Not murder. He's a wannabe cop that made a bad decision, pretty much all there is to it.

[TheRealVille]

It has nothing to do with the facts. Just stating that you seem to be upset about the case and all you know, is what people like the fired Today Show producer are telling you. There are witnesses/witness from what interviewed members of the police force who has jurisdiction in the case has said.

That's the ones I'm listening to, not the news media on TV. Just what the witnesses and the expert are saying, and the 911 calls. I'm glad you think you know so much about what I watch, but if you really did, you would know I don't watch news TV.

[TheRealThing]

That's the ones I'm listening to, not the news media on TV. Just what the witnesses and the expert are saying, and the 911 calls. I'm glad you think you know so much about what I watch, but if you really did, you would know I don't watch news TV.

One way or another, all you know is what you're hearing in the news. All I did was to point out the bias of the media.

[Granny Bear]

There's two tragedy's here. One is that a young man lost his life...doesn't get to get married, have kids, grandkids, any of that. The second is that another person, Zimmerman, who is a great guy by all accounts, has probably now had his life ruined. Not only by what happened and the fallout, but the fact that he has to live with it forever.

Just a bad situation, and this stuff happens. But he should be prosecuted in my opinion...I think it's clear that he's guilty of Manslaughter and a weapons charge, and that's it. Not murder. He's a wannabe cop that made a bad decision, pretty much all there is to it.

I think he will be charged. The way I understand it, the prosecuting attorney can bring the charges against Zimmerman alone, under Florida law. I think she's getting her stuff together before she jumps. She seems to have a good record prosecuting crimes in that area, and doesn't need a grand jury to proceed.

[vundy33]

I think he will be charged. The way I understand it, the prosecuting attorney can bring the charges against Zimmerman alone, under Florida law. I think she's getting her stuff together before she jumps. She seems to have a good record prosecuting crimes in that area, and doesn't need a grand jury to proceed.

Yep, agreed Granny Bear.

[Truth]

Well, of course he will be prosecuted. That is a given. If he isn't prosecuted, the civil "unrest" will be very expensive on the community.

The issue of guilt or innocence, as usually happens in this type of event, will be immaterial and will take a backseat to the political reality of present day America.

[TheRealVille]

George Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch volunteer, faces a second-degree murder charge for shooting Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teenager in Sanford, Fla., the special prosecutor in the case announced Wednesday.

In a televised news conference, State Atty. Angela B. Corey outlined the charges in the case that has sparked national demonstrations calling for Zimmerman’s arrest.

“I can tell you we did not come to this decision lightly,” Corey told reporters. “We do not prosecute by public pressure.”

She said her office had filed information with the charge.

Zimmerman, who has maintained he acted in self-defense, was in custody, Corey confirmed, though she gave no details. He had been in hiding since the shooting after his family said he had received death threats.

Martin, 17, was returning from a convenience store run on Feb. 26 -- he had bought a bag of Skittles candy and an iced tea -- when he caught Zimmerman's eye. Zimmerman, 28, was driving out of his gated community in Sanford on his way to the supermarket when he called the Sanford Police Department to report a young black male acting suspiciously, possibly on drugs, he said.

The police dispatcher asked Zimmerman whether he was following the youth. When Zimmerman replied that he was, the dispatcher told him: "We don't need you to do that." Moments later, Zimmerman -- armed with a 9-millimeter weapon -- got out of his car.

Zimmerman has said he shot Martin in self-defense after the youth struck him in the face, knocked him down and began pounding his head into the ground. But many believe Zimmerman was the aggressor, emboldened by his status as the self-appointed neighborhood watch captain.

Coverage of the case was largely limited to local media until the call between Zimmerman and the dispatcher was made public, along with a 911 call that one resident made just before the shooting. In the background of that call, someone can be heard yelling for help. Martin's parents insist that voice belonged to their son. Zimmerman has said the voice was his.

The phone calls and steady stream of new evidence, not to mention potential evidence, have turned many Americans into armchair CSI experts.

But the case itself struck a chord -- and not just within the African American community. Many Americans consider it cut-and-dried evidence of the social injustices that blacks in this country have long faced.

The intense media attention has been propelled in part by outrage in the social media world. Twitter has been flooded with tweets linked by the hashtag #Trayvon. And an online petition at Change.org demanding Zimmerman's prosecution has received more than 2.2 million signatures -- the single biggest reaction the online petition platform has ever had.

In the wake of such scrutiny, as well as marches, protests and rallies held across the country, the U.S. Justice Department and the FBI have launched probes into the case, and Corey was assigned to review the matter. The case even gained the attention of President Obama, who called for a thorough investigation.

And, no surprise, the case has also stirred up a backlash against the media attention.

A recent survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press found that many people -- including a majority of Republicans and 43% of whites surveyed -- said the media had gone overboard in their coverage.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/natio...9237.story
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...4Ybje0xp4M

[TheRealVille]

The police report stated that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose and the back of the head and was treated for his injuries at the scene. The witness, 13-year old Austin Brown, reportedly told police that he saw a man fitting Zimmerman's description lying in the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before hearing a gunshot. As for the voice analysis experts, other experts have come forward to criticize the validity of their methods, yet you keep stating that the person screaming for help was not Zimmerman as if that were an undisputed fact - ignoring the fact that Martin's own father initially said that the cries were not those of his son and Zimmerman's brother (maybe his father) claiming that it was Zimmerman yelling.

With the conflicting accounts in the media and police report, there is know way for any of us to know what the facts of this case are. Yet that has not stopped you from attacking people who were willing to wait for the facts to shake out before calling for Zimmerman's arrest.

Even if this is true, which isn't for sure, did Treyvon not have the right to defend himself from the guy following him, under the "stand your ground" law that Zimmerman is quoting? Let's go with this then. Martin was walking in his dad's finance's neighborhood, where he was spending the night, goes to get skittles and tea, heads back home, get's followed by Zimmerman, confronts Zimmerman(stand your ground), beats the shit out of Zimmerman(just for your scenario), Zimmerman shoots Martin. Even if this scenario is true, Zimmerman is still in the wrong, by initiating contact. Zimmerman even went against what the police told him, in his very own 911 call.

[judgementday]

Per CNN yesterday...

"Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin".

As I stated in a previous post, Zimmerman's biggest mistake was following this kid AFTER he was instructed not to.

[TheRealVille]

Per CNN yesterday...

"Florida investigators say in an affidavit that George Zimmerman profiled, confronted, then fatally shot Trayvon Martin".

As I stated in a previous post, Zimmerman's biggest mistake was following this kid AFTER he was instructed not to.

He wouldn't be in this mess if had followed their instructions. Now he will have to deal with the repercussions of this mistake. As he should.

[TheRealVille]

In reality, Martin was the only person in this case that was legal to use the "stand your ground law". Zimmerman followed him, and was armed.

[SKINNYPIG]

Even if this is true, which isn't for sure, did Treyvon not have the right to defend himself from the guy following him, under the "stand your ground" law that Zimmerman is quoting? Let's go with this then. Martin was walking in his dad's finance's neighborhood, where he was spending the night, goes to get skittles and tea, heads back home, get's followed by Zimmerman, confronts Zimmerman(stand your ground), beats the shit out of Zimmerman(just for your scenario), Zimmerman shoots Martin. Even if this scenario is true, Zimmerman is still in the wrong, by initiating contact. Zimmerman even went against what the police told him, in his very own 911 call.

I'd say what the definition of "following" will bear a lot on this case. People "follow" me all the time in public places. If someone is "following" me down the street can I turn around and beat the snot out of them? Will the follower have to take whatever I dish out, or can he defend himself?

From what I have learned listening to accounts, is that this is by far NOT a cut and dry case at the moment. I didn't realize there were so many lawyers and criminal experts that were members of BGR.

[TheRealVille]

I'd say what the definition of "following" will bear a lot on this case. People "follow" me all the time in public places. If someone is "following" me down the street can I turn around and beat the snot out of them? Will the follower have to take whatever I dish out, or can he defend himself?

From what I have learned listening to accounts, is that this is by far NOT a cut and dry case at the moment. I didn't realize there were so many lawyers and criminal experts that were members of BGR.

Do they confront you, and ask you what you are doing there, even after police tell them not to follow you?


On a side note, I love how a lot of the people in the comments sections of these articles tell us exactly who Zimmerman's "faithful" are. They all talk about the "liberal" media. Hard to understand their support, knowing Zimmerman was on the "government dole", that they hate so much. He is one of the so called "non tax payers" you people hate so much.

[SKINNYPIG]

Do they confront you, and ask you what you are doing there, even after police tell them not to follow you?

On a side note, I love how a lot of the people in the comments sections of these articles tell us exactly who Zimmerman's "faithful" are. They all talk about the "liberal" media. Hard to understand their support, knowing Zimmerman was on the "government dole", that they hate so much. He is one of the so called "non tax payers" you people hate so much.

I love how people jump to conclusions and put words in other people's mouth. At this time there is no way I can come to a conclusion as to who is innocent or guilty in this case. I simply have no idea and it's not my job to do so. I have not condemned Martin or Zimmerman. It's not for me to decide. I simply replied to your post because you stressed "following" as a reason for martin to beat the hell out of Zimmerman.

Correct me if I'm wrong...I understand that the 911 dispatcher, not the police, advised Zimmerman to not follow Martin. Does that make a difference in the case? I don't know if it does. Do you?

Do you really believe you know the facts in this case. Do you know them enough to go ahead and convict Zimmerman?

For the record...I don't hate anyone. It seems evident that you harbor the emotion though.

I frankly don't care how the Martin/Zimmerman case comes out...I'm not "faithful" or pulling for either. I just want the outcome to be right and TRUE.

[SKINNYPIG]

Do they confront you, and ask you what you are doing there, even after police tell them not to follow you?


On a side note, I love how a lot of the people in the comments sections of these articles tell us exactly who Zimmerman's "faithful" are. They all talk about the "liberal" media. Hard to understand their support, knowing Zimmerman was on the "government dole", that they hate so much. He is one of the so called "non tax payers" you people hate so much.

Define confront.

If someone confronts me in public by asking me what I'm doing there I respond by telling them it is none of their business.

If they confront me by asking me to leave I look them in the eyes and laugh. Then I give them an invitation to escort me away if they wish.

If they confront me with physical contact then someone is getting their ass kicked.

I would have to be in very dire straits before drawing or pulling the trigger of my .45.

[TheRealVille]

Define confront.

If someone confronts me in public by asking me what I'm doing there I respond by telling them it is none of their business.

If they confront me by asking me to leave I look them in the eyes and laugh. Then I give them an invitation to escort me away if they wish.

If they confront me with physical contact then someone is getting their ass kicked.

I would have to be in very dire straits before drawing or pulling the trigger of my .45.

Nuff said......

[TheRealVille]

I love how people jump to conclusions and put words in other people's mouth. At this time there is no way I can come to a conclusion as to who is innocent or guilty in this case. I simply have no idea and it's not my job to do so. I have not condemned Martin or Zimmerman. It's not for me to decide. I simply replied to your post because you stressed "following" as a reason for martin to beat the hell out of Zimmerman.

Correct me if I'm wrong...I understand that the 911 dispatcher, not the police, advised Zimmerman to not follow Martin. Does that make a difference in the case? I don't know if it does. Do you?

Do you really believe you know the facts in this case. Do you know them enough to go ahead and convict Zimmerman?

For the record...I don't hate anyone. It seems evident that you harbor the emotion though.

I frankly don't care how the Martin/Zimmerman case comes out...I'm not "faithful" or pulling for either. I just want the outcome to be right and TRUE.

I can agree with most of this post. What brings you to the conclusion I have that emotion by what I have posted in this thread. I have never condemned Zimmerman. I condemned the police for trying to sweep this case under the rug. Guilty or innocent, I want the true justice also. I've never said anything different. All I go by in the case, is that Martin had a legal right to walk the streets, and the neighborhood he was staying in, and by all the aforementioned, and the 911 call Zimmerman made, Zimmerman was in the wrong in the killing of Martin.

[vundy33]

I'd say what the definition of "following" will bear a lot on this case. People "follow" me all the time in public places. If someone is "following" me down the street can I turn around and beat the snot out of them? Will the follower have to take whatever I dish out, or can he defend himself?

From what I have learned listening to accounts, is that this is by far NOT a cut and dry case at the moment. I didn't realize there were so many lawyers and criminal experts that were members of BGR.

Dude, this bullshit coming out of you is pathetic. People "follow" you all the time? Well, do they sit in their vehicle on the phone with 911, talking about how suspicious you look in a hoodie and basketball shorts, and then get out and purposely follow you on the sidewalk at night after being told not to? No, they don't.

You want to act like Zimmerman just got out and was innocently following Martin down the sidewalk, when the fact is, it wasn't like that at all. This isn't opinion like you want to say it is, it's fact, 100%.

[Truth]

Do you suppose that the media will balance its reporting by showing only pictures of Zimmerman as a second grader as they do for Martin?

Reports indicate that Martin was five or six inchers taller than Zimmerman, weighed about the same as Zimmerman, and was a weightlifter/football player. His elementary school picture doesn't seem to indicate those facts.

Look for Zimmerman to be convicted in one way or the other regardless of the real facts. After all, sending a Hispanic to jail is cheaper than paying for all the rioting, looting, and maiming that will result from an acquittal. Lady Justice in today's America is no longer blind and objective. She is now quite selective and subjective.