[Mr.Kimball]

and then coach matney got on 98.9 at the end of the game and said belfry jumped offsides on the fake punt play.. and blamed his kids for going for 2.. said he wasn't for it.. they also said they made mistakes that they don't ever make.. basically saying that had nothing to do with belfry.. that imo is just not classy

Baloney, I heard the post game show and that is not what he said. Way to twist it around.

He said the fake punt was a great call, said he thought they might have jumped offsides but could have been wrong, but regardless it was a great call.


Said he really did not want to go for two, but his players really believed in themselves and they wanted to try , so he agreed, Said that after 27 years of coaching that he should had no body to blame but himself, and that he should have made his call his gut said. He did not blame his players for anything.

He did say that a few players made some mistakes tonight that normally dont. Why is that a big deal. Sounds like he is making his players responsible for some the things they do, and not blaming other things like officiating, or making other excuses.

The very last thing he said was that Belfry was a very very good football team.

I was at this game but 2 plays tipped the game in Belfrys favor.
1) Belfrys successful fake punt on 4th down while trailing 7-6 to keep the drive alive and go ahead 14-7
2) JCs decision to go for 2 when they couldve tied the game up. I was listening to the post game interview with Matney on the radio going home and I couldnt believe what I heard. Matney wouldnt take responsibility for that call. Instead he basically said he didnt want to do it but his players talked him into it. I guarantee if Belfrys fake punt didnt work and JC won Haywood wouldve took responsibilty for it even if his players talked him into it. If I was a JC fan I believe Id be a little upset over that.

Tell the rest of what he said, when you tell the story.

[bucslover68]

Baloney, I heard the post game show and that is not what he said. Way to twist it around.

He said the fake punt was a great call, said he thought they might have jumped offsides but could have been wrong, but regardless it was a great call.


Said he really did not want to go for two, but his players really believed in themselves and they wanted to try , so he agreed, Said that after 27 years of coaching that he should had no body to blame but himself, and that he should have made his call his gut said. He did not blame his players for anything.

He did say that a few players made some mistakes tonight that normally dont. Why is that a big deal. Sounds like he is making his players responsible for some the things they do, and not blaming other things like officiating, or making other excuses.

The very last thing he said was that Belfry was a very very good football team.

Exactly.

[Crossbones]

First I would like to say that, that was one of the best games I have seen in a long while. Which ever team would have one, it would not have been a surprise. Both teams played their hearts out. JC has a beautiful stadium and really nice fans, can't say enough about them. As has already been said, the only fault I have with the whole thing was the music being played, most of the time right up to the snap of the ball when Belfry was on offense. That really got to me, and if it was not for wanting to watch a great ball game, I probably would have left. The biggest surprise for me was the fake punt by Belfry. That was a real game changer and gutsy call by Haywood.:Thumbs: If I was going to fault Matney for going for the two point conversion was loosing two timeouts back to back. I do not fault him for trying it. If it would have worked, it would have been another game changer into JC direction. And making him a god of football. Except it didn't and considerable change the game back to Belfry with the momentum. It was a great game and the better team Won !!! I am a Belfry fan and if JC would have won, I would have said the same thing.
Best of luck to both teams in the upcoming playoffs! I would like to see boht schools bring home the gold.

[mrfootball03]

Baloney, I heard the post game show and that is not what he said. Way to twist it around.

He said the fake punt was a great call, said he thought they might have jumped offsides but could have been wrong, but regardless it was a great call.


Said he really did not want to go for two, but his players really believed in themselves and they wanted to try , so he agreed, Said that after 27 years of coaching that he should had no body to blame but himself, and that he should have made his call his gut said. He did not blame his players for anything.

He did say that a few players made some mistakes tonight that normally dont. Why is that a big deal. Sounds like he is making his players responsible for some the things they do, and not blaming other things like officiating, or making other excuses.

The very last thing he said was that Belfry was a very very good football team.

He said he thought they might have jumped offsides, he couldnt see it, and he asked what the reporter thought that he seen it.. sounds to me he is trying to complain about it and say it.. why mention it? a classy coach never would.. you would never hear phillip haywood say that nor any other classy coach..

now way to twist what he said about the 2 point call around.. he blatanly said "i did not want to go for two, but the kids did".. that is what he said word for word..

Matney and the 9.89 commentators both obviously tried to play it off as JC wasn't there.. quoted by one of the commentators as saying "they were going through the motions" bull****.. those boys were pumped up playing with everything they had in them.. oh like those mistakes had nothing to do with belfry

[Mr.Kimball]

After the game, I talked to Matney. He said the fake punt was a great call by Haywood. It took them by surprise. It took a lot of Belfry folks by surprise. The Belfry coaches said it had been somewhere around 12 years since they had faked one. The biggest thing I saw with JC, is that some of the play action is almost too obvious. Fakes are only real effective if they are made naturally in the flow of the play. Like a changup in baseball. For example, Dillon used both hands to fake the quick hiiter to the wide receiver before throwing downfield. The fake is so exaggerated that a good defense would never fall for it. On the other hand, the 16 play, 82 yard drive, by JC in the third quarter was a thing of wishbone beauty and Belfry's answer, aided by the fake punt, was a great response.

Evidently everyone was surprised by the fake punt, but in all honesty Lee tipped it off himself. What I saw, obviously wasn't detected by anyone on the field. What he did was slightly move his hands like a quarterback does when he is anticipating the snap in shotgun formation. It was a subtle movement , but it was a tip nonetheless. My dad was sitting next to me and I alerted him to the hand movement and then a split second later the ball was snapped to Lee.

[Mr.Kimball]

He said he thought they might have jumped offsides, he couldnt see it, and he asked what the reporter thought that he seen it.. sounds to me he is trying to complain and say it.. why mention it? a classy coach never would.. you would never hear phillip haywood say that nor any other classy coach..

now way to twist what he said about the 2 point call around.. he blatanly said i did not want to go for two, but the kids did".. that is what he said word for word..

Matney and the 9.89 commentators both obviously tried to play it off as JC wasn't there.. quoted by one of the commentators as saying "they were going through the motions" bull****.. those boys were pumped up playing with everything they had in them.. oh like those mistakes had nothing to do with belfry

Yes he said that he didn't want to go for it, and said his kids talked him into it, but said he took full responsiblity for it. He blamed them for nothing.

[Leonidas]

Some Belfry fans whine more after a win than most other teams do after a loss. Not just on this thread but all the time. And I like Belfry.

If I were a Pikeville fan, I'd say the sme thing.

[mrfootball03]

Yes he said that he didn't want to go for it, and said his kids talked him into it, but said he took full responsiblity for it. He blamed them for nothing.

well why say it?.. the kids will still blame themselves.. thats like saying, it was thier idea, not mine.. but i will take the blame for it cause im the coach.. thats just not classy.. im sorry..

[bucslover68]

I hesitate to type this because it is personal, but for all the Matney haters, or at least the ones who want to disagree with him, let me share something with you. I have said before on here that Jim Matney was the first high school player I ever met. He was a member of my father's church in Belfry. I have know him for some 35 years. Anytime I see him, he takes time to talk, but that is not the story. After the game, I walked out to midfield to see Jim. He looked at me and grinned and said he almost didn't recognize me. He stuck his hand out, but instead I gave him a hug and told him I loved him and he hugged me and told me back the same. I told him it was a good game and he thought it was too. This next part may mean more to the Belfry people. I told him that when avid Belfry fan, and long- time Matney supporter, Frank O'brien died, I had thought a lot about him. He said that he had been having a hard time handling Frank's death, and we also mentioned the passing of Ron May, who was Dick Roddy's top man back in the 70s and early 80s. We both stood there with tears in our eyes and choked up. He mentioned some other folks that were close to him in the Pond Creek area that were gone, and how much they had meant to him. How many of you out there have seen this side of Jim? He went on to say that it was just a great game between two great teams and his kids and Belfry's kids had played hard. He praised Haywood for the fake punt call and said he could not believe it happened. When you down a coach, sometimes you forget where you came from and where you are. Have I always agreed with Matney over the years? No. Has he done things his own way? Yes. Be glad for what you have, or it could be gone.

[Mr.Kimball]

well why say it?.. the kids will still blame themselves.. thats like saying, it was thier idea, not mine.. but i will take the blame for it cause im the coach.. thats just not classy.. im sorry..

Why dont you go back and read Post #94. Even your own fellow Belfry fan backed up what I said.

[cuppett777]

25-0 all time now! I heard Matney saying that they jumped off sides and they didnt play well. Excuses every year. Then he said well there some teams we just dont match up well with and Belfry is one of them..

[mrfootball03]

Why dont you go back and read Post #94. Even your own fellow Belfry fan backed up what I said.

yeah, and the belfry fan that said it is also a close friend of coach matney.. but i'm not going to argue.. i said it wasn't classy.. and it came off that way to many others.. including the pikeville fan who seperately brought it up..

[bucslover68]

Evidently everyone was surprised by the fake punt, but in all honesty Lee tipped it off himself. What I saw, obviously wasn't detected by anyone on the field. What he did was slightly move his hands like a quarterback does when he is anticipating the snap in shotgun formation. It was a subtle movement , but it was a tip nonetheless. My dad was sitting next to me and I alerted him to the hand movement and then a split second later the ball was snapped to Lee.

That is an awesome point. I noticed it too, but I had not remembered it until you brought it up. It was definitely a tip to the play, but it worked anyway.

[Mr.Kimball]

yeah, and the belfry fan that said it is also a close friend of coach matney.. but i'm not going to argue.. i said it wasn't classy.. and it came off that way to many others.. including the pikeville fan who seperately brought it up..

Perhaps your fellow fan knows him well enough to dispute your theory.

Just because you say something isn't classy means very little. You appear to just want to be radical. If it wasn't this, I suspect by your tone it more than likely would be something else.

Pikeville fan also didn't tell the rest of the story either , did he?

[bucslover68]

Just refer back to my post, number 90, to see why Matney comes across the way he does. I am not defending everything he says, but losing just about kills him.

[mrfootball03]

Perhaps your fellow fan knows him well enough to dispute your theory.

Just because you say something isn't classy means very little. You appear to just want to be radical. If it wasn't this, I suspect by your tone it more than likely would be something else.

Pikeville fan also didn't tell the rest of the story either , did he?

nope.. this is a forum, i am entitled to my opinion.. my opinion happens to be those comments were not classy.. if it were my kids, that had a coach to say that.. they would hear it from me.. you can guarantee it.. and yes, you are correct.. it meant very little for me to say that.. but you've had to keep bringing it up to defend your coach.. so it turned it from just a little comment to more.. i said it wasn't classy, thats my opinion.. so you can drop it if you'd like..

[mrfootball03]

Just refer back to my post, number 90, to see why Matney comes across the way he does. I am not defending everything he says, but losing just about kills him.

i know coach matney.. not quite as close as you do.. i don't doubt one bit he is a good person.. because he seems to me he is.. i didnt say he was a horrible person.. just meant that those comments would upset me if my kids were the ones playing for JC

[Mr.Kimball]

I hesitate to type this because it is personal, but for all the Matney haters, or at least the ones who want to disagree with him, let me share something with you. I have said before on here that Jim Matney was the first high school player I ever met. He was a member of my father's church in Belfry. I have know him for some 35 years. Anytime I see him, he takes time to talk, but that is not the story. After the game, I walked out to midfield to see Jim. He looked at me and grinned and said he almost didn't recognize me. He stuck his hand out, but instead I gave him a hug and told him I loved him and he hugged me and told me back the same. I told him it was a good game and he thought it was too. This next part may mean more to the Belfry people. I told him that when avid Belfry fan, and long- time Matney supporter, Frank O'brien died, I had thought a lot about him. He said that he had been having a hard time handling Frank's death, and we also mentioned the passing of Ron May, who was Dick Roddy's top man back in the 70s and early 80s. We both stood there with tears in our eyes and choked up. He mentioned some other folks that were close to him in the Pond Creek area that were gone, and how much they had meant to him. How many of you out there have seen this side of Jim? He went on to say that it was just a great game between two great teams and his kids and Belfry's kids had played hard. He praised Haywood for the fake punt call and said he could not believe it happened. When you down a coach, sometimes you forget where you came from and where you are. Have I always agreed with Matney over the years? No. Has he done things his own way? Yes. Be glad for what you have, or it could be gone.

Congrats on the win to you guys. I am not a Belfry hater by any means. However, I now have to listen to gloating from Belfry fans daily for another whole year. I own a business in South Williamson. I employee Belfry people, and I even have the father of a former Belfry player manage it for me. I will hear about it much longer and more often than everybody else will in Paintsville will.

Good luck in the post season and bring another trophy back .

[bucslover68]

i know coach matney.. not quite as close as you do.. i don't doubt one bit he is a good person.. because he seems to me he is.. i didnt say he was a horrible person.. just meant that those comments would upset me if my kids were the ones playing for JC

Oh I know what you were saying, and you are pretty much right on it. There are a lot of people who know him better than me, but I was just pointing out the ultra competitive side of him that makes his comments take on a negative tone. It has always been really hard for him to give proper credit, but tonight, for the most part, he did. These two losses the last two years have really stung him, no doubt.

[BlackcatAlum]

This thread isn't about God, so keep it on-topic.

[kybaseball]

Burp I just got done with my crow.Not bad I must say.

I will enjoy some more if and when Russell meets Belfry.

JC players keep your head up let this fuel your fire going into the playoffs.Take it all the way to a state championship.



Congrats Belfry I was wrong I didn't think you could do it.

[bucslover68]

Congrats on the win to you guys. I am not a Belfry hater by any means. However, I now have to listen to gloating from Belfry fans daily for another whole year. I own a business in South Williamson. I employee Belfry people, and I even have the father of a former Belfry player manage it for me. I will hear about it much longer and more often than everybody else will in Paintsville will. I dread tomorrow.

Good luck in the post season and bring another trophy back .

The ones that gloat, need to just not do it. It is usually all in fun. I had a real good conversation with one of the guys in the press box after the game. He was from JC and we both threw out the compliments and all that. Then I told him how I wish JC was in a different class, because we all know the monster that Highlands potentially is. I told him, however, that one day, if they do win it all, that it will be that much sweeter.

[Mr.Kimball]

The ones that gloat, need to just not do it. It is usually all in fun. I had a real good conversation with one of the guys in the press box after the game. He was from JC and we both threw out the compliments and all that. Then I told him how I wish JC was in a different class, because we all know the monster that Highlands potentially is. I told him, however, that one day, if they do win it all, that it will be that much sweeter.

Oh, I know full well it's all in fun. We kid about it all the time. I get my jabs in during baseball season. Except for last season that is... lol

[Eagle_Fan442]

i know coach matney.. not quite as close as you do.. i don't doubt one bit he is a good person.. because he seems to me he is.. i didnt say he was a horrible person.. just meant that those comments would upset me if my kids were the ones playing for JC

Well my kids do play for Coach Matney and we are lucky to have him for a coach. Our kids love him as he does them..our boys wanted to try the 2 point, coach wasn't crazy about the idea but he let the boys go for it...It didn't work...so what...life goes on and we start a new season..I'll guarantee you our boys are not blaming coach for this game..nor is he blaming them ..this is not a blame game here...they are a team...and a team that I am very proud of. As far as how "classy" our coach is...hes a class act in this community and we love him....with that being said...congratulations to the Pirates tonight ...and good luck in the playoffs.....JC..we start Monday!

[Mr.Kimball]

nope.. this is a forum, i am entitled to my opinion.. my opinion happens to be those comments were not classy.. if it were my kids, that had a coach to say that.. they would hear it from me.. you can guarantee it.. and yes, you are correct.. it meant very little for me to say that.. but you've had to keep bringing it up to defend your coach.. so it turned it from just a little comment to more.. i said it wasn't classy, thats my opinion.. so you can drop it if you'd like..

Uhh, here's something you might want to read.

http://www.kentucky.com/802/story/584670.html

Be very sure you read it all.

[tradition]

Well it better start being new or JC won't have a chance giving short field to teams like Highlands.

Your not kidding. Chances are you will be kicking to Austin Collinsworth and he will do what it takes to get to the end zone. Tonights Highlands game against Louisville Central, Collinsworth took it to the house on the opening kickoff. Poetry in motion!

[Mr.Kimball]

Your not kidding. Chances are you will be kicking to Austin Collinsworth and he will do what it takes to get to the end zone. Tonights Highlands game against Louisville Central, Collinsworth took it to the house on the opening kickoff. Poetry in motion!

Uhh, then that kind of sounds like kicking it deep is exactly what they dont want to do then. Doesn't it?

[tradition]

Ok JC fans, lets say he did get out coached.

Coach Haywood is arguably the best coach in Kentucky, so is that really something to be throwing out about Matney?

JC is competing and beating teams that used to use them as a doormat, be happy where you are at and where you are going.

I beg to differ with that statment.

[EKUAlum05]

I will give my thoughts tomorrow.. but I just want to say how proud of this Belfry team I am for them to go on the road and EARN a victory over a great, great football team!

[tradition]

Uhh, then that kind of sounds like kicking it deep is exactly what they dont want to do then. Doesn't it?

You can kick it where ever you want.