[MayfieldCardinal]

You're becoming the biggest jerk on this site tooth pick. What gives? You've never seen Johnson Central play in person. You've never met our players,coaches or fans. You know nothing about our program but yet you get on here and hide behind a screen name and run your mouth on our team every chance you get. Do you see our fans run their mouths on your beloved Mayfield? Why would any body who lives in Mayfield care who Johnson Central schedules? You know nothing about our program so why dont you keep your mouth shut? I wonder what your old college buddy, who's part of our football family, thinks about you getting on here and shooting your mouth off about our program? Any chance Mayfield would make the trip to Paintsville next year and play in our bowl game?

Coach I told my buddy the same thing I am tellin you and that is the obvious, no way in the world to justify playing lowly Heath. It does your team no good its only a nice payday for lowly Heath who will not get a better payday all year. JC benefits exactly zero from playing such a opponet. Jude, and the coach get a chance to pad stats without having to run it 20 or 30 times and the entire state gets a record that will be set by taking the low road it seems. Now to be clear that is not a knock on the kid who is one of the states top backs but I would prefer to see him do it against competition like what Wales is facing. No idea why you bring Mayfield into thism they have no part in it and we would not handle itthe way Matney is. Mayfield and a handful of other schools could get a kid the record if the so choose but they dont. We are 1A and we still dont bother to schedule a Heath. These are my opinions, why they bother you I have no idea but since it seems to I wil be more than happy to not posts on it again. As for Mayfield traveling to Painsville, I dont see that happening as there are lots off equally talented teams lurking closer by. By the way if you go to Coach T you will discover that the out of stat team was Trousdale whos only loss all year was to Mayfield on their road to TN state title

[Bob Seger]

Coach I told my buddy the same thing I am tellin you and that is the obvious, no way in the world to justify playing lowly Heath. It does your team no good its only a nice payday for lowly Heath who will not get a better payday all year. JC benefits exactly zero from playing such a opponet. Jude, and the coach get a chance to pad stats without having to run it 20 or 30 times and the entire state gets a record that will be set by taking the low road it seems. Now to be clear that is not a knock on the kid who is one of the states top backs but I would prefer to see him do it against competition like what Wales is facing. No idea why you bring Mayfield into thism they have no part in it and we would not handle itthe way Matney is. Mayfield and a handful of other schools could get a kid the record if the so choose but they dont. We are 1A and we still dont bother to schedule a Heath. These are my opinions, why they bother you I have no idea but since it seems to I wil be more than happy to not posts on it again. As for Mayfield traveling to Painsville, I dont see that happening as there are lots off equally talented teams lurking closer by. By the way if you go to Coach T you will discover that the out of stat team was Trousdale whos only loss all year was to Mayfield on their road to TN state title

How can a coach that doesn't even turn stats in be a stat padder?

[MayfieldCardinal]

How can a coach that doesn't even turn stats in be a stat padder?

Bob, I dont agree with a big school that is a football power playing a team as bad as Heath or understand why but as coach pointed put why do I care and the only reason is becasue it lessens a great record to me. The current and past holders may have done the same or worse I dont know but anyway Im on back to my 1A world. Good luck to JC the rest of the way

[Can you dig it?]

How can a coach that doesn't even turn stats in be a stat padder?

Really, Bob? :please: Seriously? Does Woodford County come to mind for you like it does for me?http://bluegrassrivals.com/forum/showthr...ord+county

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

Man stuff like this is what really bothers me about today’s generation. We are not talking about elementary or middle school sports. This is high school sports, if you can beat a team 100 you beat them a 100. About 90 percent of what is wrong with our kids today is that we have taught them that everyone should get a trophy, and if someone beats you then they shouldn't have beaten you as bad as they did. As far as I’m concerned, if Heath knew the outcome of this game before they came, then why agree to play in the first place.
Also, if someone can come to JC and beat them 100 then in no way am I going to be upset or mad about it. That’s what they are supposed to do. As far as I’m concerned you win every game by as much as you can. This everyone deserves a trophy stuff is bull crap; we are creating a generation that is weak.

[Bob Seger]

Really, Bob? :please: Seriously? Does Woodford County come to mind for you like it does for me?http://bluegrassrivals.com/forum/showthr...ord+county

Yeah, seriously digger. Hatz made the point that he would like to know what Jude does on a weekly basis but cant because he doesn't turn stats in. I have never known Matney to turn stats in.


Let me ask you a question. Are you a UK basketball fan?

[Can you dig it?]

Yeah, seriously digger. Hatz made the point that he would like to know what Jude does on a weekly basis but cant because he doesn't turn stats in. I have never known Matney to turn stats in.


Let me ask you a question. Are you a UK basketball fan?

:yikes:Nope.

[Bob Seger]

:yikes:Nope.

Well, I guess whether you are or not is irrelevant, so I'll just go ahead and tell the story. I am going to consolidate it and be somewhat brief with what I am going to say. Hopefully you'll get the jest.

At the time that Dan Issel played basketball for Kentucky, freshmen were not allowed to play varsity basketball. During Issel's freshman season Joe B. Hall was in charge of the preseason conditioning program. Hall's program so severe and brutal that all of the newly recruited freshmen were at a revolt stage and all planned to walk out. Rupp pulled Issel aside and told him that if he would just go out and run with the rest of the varsity and do as Hall commanded that he would in turn make him the leading scorer in the history of UK basketball. Issel did, and Rupp kept his word.

All of this may or may not have anything to do with anything that Matney is perceived to do, but even if Matney did do what you suggest, it is certainly not the first time that a coach may have allowed a player to in turn be rewarded for being a model player. I dont think anyone anywhere would ever question the legitimacy of Dan Issel's all time scoring record. It's a sacred standard for all UK fans, and much of the cummulative point total came against inferior competition by being allowed to stay in a game long enough to acheive an inflated point total. Why would anyone in turn question anything that Jude (or any other player for that matter) might accomplish with a similar scenerio? Be it real or hypothetical. Jude has more than once proved that he is capable of putting up huge numbers against the very best competition that the state of Kentucky offers. Admit it or not, every team plays pud opponents every year, whether it be mandary opponents or selectively scheduled opponents and that includes the likes of HHS, Boyle Co, Trinity,etc, etc, etc. All stats are then recorded in combined fashion regardless of the competition level. As a matter of fact most no-hitters, pitched perfect games, or whatever other record of a selected sport may be, it is almost always derived from competiton against inferior opponents, yet those are never held into question, or marked with an asterisk. Why all the hullabalu and accusations over one game that Jude rushed a grand total of 9 times in over?

Again, I dont know what Matney may or may not do, but it is a proven fact that he never turns stats into the KHSAA.

[Can you dig it?]

Well, I guess whether you are or not is irrelevant, so I'll just go ahead and tell the story. I am going to consolidate it and be somewhat brief with what I am going to say. Hopefully you'll get the jest.

At the time that Dan Issel played basketball for Kentucky, freshmen were not allowed to play varsity basketball. During Issel's freshman season Joe B. Hall was in charge of the preseason conditioning program. Hall's program so severe and brutal that all of the newly recruited freshmen were at a revolt stage and all planned to walk out. Rupp pulled Issel aside and told him that if he would just go out and run with the rest of the varsity and do as Hall commanded that he would in turn make him the leading scorer in the history of UK basketball. Issel did, and Rupp kept his word.

All of this may or may not have anything to do with anything that Matney is perceived to do, but even if Matney did do what you suggest, it is certainly not the first time that a coach may have allowed a player to in turn be rewarded for being a model player. I dont think anyone anywhere would ever question the legitimacy of Dan Issel's all time scoring record. It's a sacred standard for all UK fans, and much of the cummulative point total came against inferior competition by being allowed to stay in a game long enough to acheive an inflated point total. Why would anyone in turn question anything that Jude (or any other player for that matter) might accomplish with a similar scenerio? Be it real or hypothetical. Jude has more than once proved that he is capable of putting up huge numbers against the very best competition that the state of Kentucky offers. Admit it or not, every team plays pud opponents every year, whether it be mandary opponents or selectively scheduled opponents and that includes the likes of HHS, Boyle Co, Trinity,etc, etc, etc. All stats are then recorded in combined fashion regardless of the competition level. As a matter of fact most no-hitters, pitched perfect games, or whatever other record of a selected sport is, it is almost always derived from competion against inferior opponents, yet those are never held into question, or marked with an asterisk. Why all the hullabalu and accusations over one game that Jude rushed a grand total of 9 times in over?

Again, I dont know what Matney may or may not do, but it is a proven fact that he never turns stats into the KHSAA.

Okay, no I'm not a fan of UK basketball, but I know who Dan Issel is. Apples and pumpkins. The point you were making was that Matney wasn't a stat padder. The point I was making was that the Woodford County debacle made him the king of the stat padders. I'd go as far as to call him a stat whore. In Friday's case I'll give him credit for not having Jude in for the whole game, but his past speaks for itself whether you like it or not.:popcorn:

[Bob Seger]

Okay, no I'm not a fan of UK basketball, but I know who Dan Issel is. Apples and pumpkins. The point you were making was that Matney wasn't a stat padder. The point I was making was that the Woodford County debacle made him the king of the stat padders. I'd go as far as to call him a stat whore. In Friday's case I'll give him credit for not having Jude in for the whole game, but his past speaks for itself whether you like it or not.:popcorn:

No it's not apples and pumpkins and it doesn't matter whether I like it or not. The Woodford game has no bearing on anything. What was Matney to personally gain anyways? He didn't even submit the stats. As I pointed out there are very few records held by anyone, anywhere, were an athlete has not been allowed to post numbers against inferior competition and get their times extended on the field/court by their coaching staffs. Why are you not blasting the record holders and the coach of every "record" stat listed by the KHSAA then? Do you think that Derek Homer got all of his yards against Highlands and Trinity and played two quarters of each game? Did Tim Couch throw for all of those yards against Saint X and sit out the second half in all of them? Why are you not blasting Homer, Couch and their coaches????? HUH??? Did Nolan Ryan throw all of those no-hitters and set the strikeout record all against the Yankees? Leads to the question of are you just a Matney and Jude hater?

You want to realisticly counter?

[Redneck]

How can a coach that doesn't even turn stats in be a stat padder?

Well, I guess whether you are or not is irrelevant, so I'll just go ahead and tell the story. I am going to consolidate it and be somewhat brief with what I am going to say. Hopefully you'll get the jest.

At the time that Dan Issel played basketball for Kentucky, freshmen were not allowed to play varsity basketball. During Issel's freshman season Joe B. Hall was in charge of the preseason conditioning program. Hall's program so severe and brutal that all of the newly recruited freshmen were at a revolt stage and all planned to walk out. Rupp pulled Issel aside and told him that if he would just go out and run with the rest of the varsity and do as Hall commanded that he would in turn make him the leading scorer in the history of UK basketball. Issel did, and Rupp kept his word.

All of this may or may not have anything to do with anything that Matney is perceived to do, but even if Matney did do what you suggest, it is certainly not the first time that a coach may have allowed a player to in turn be rewarded for being a model player. I dont think anyone anywhere would ever question the legitimacy of Dan Issel's all time scoring record. It's a sacred standard for all UK fans, and much of the cummulative point total came against inferior competition by being allowed to stay in a game long enough to acheive an inflated point total. Why would anyone in turn question anything that Jude (or any other player for that matter) might accomplish with a similar scenerio? Be it real or hypothetical. Jude has more than once proved that he is capable of putting up huge numbers against the very best competition that the state of Kentucky offers. Admit it or not, every team plays pud opponents every year, whether it be mandary opponents or selectively scheduled opponents and that includes the likes of HHS, Boyle Co, Trinity,etc, etc, etc. All stats are then recorded in combined fashion regardless of the competition level. As a matter of fact most no-hitters, pitched perfect games, or whatever other record of a selected sport may be, it is almost always derived from competiton against inferior opponents, yet those are never held into question, or marked with an asterisk. Why all the hullabalu and accusations over one game that Jude rushed a grand total of 9 times in over?

Again, I dont know what Matney may or may not do, but it is a proven fact that he never turns stats into the KHSAA.

If you visit the old scoreboards on KHSAA website, you will find that he has indeed reported stats in the past while at JC.

In 2005, the last stats reported were on November 1st.
In 2006, December 1st
In 2007, Novemver 19th
In 2008, November 11th

Wasn't it Chase Richardson's Senior year that JC led the nation in rushing. If Matney never posts stats, how would anyone, including WYMT and the Lexington Herald know that? Just saying...

[Bob Seger]

If you visit the old scoreboards on KHSAA website, you will find that he has indeed reported stats in the past while at JC.

In 2005, the last stats reported were on November 1st.
In 2006, December 1st
In 2007, Novemver 19th
In 2008, November 11th

Wasn't it Chase Richardson's Senior year that JC led the nation in rushing. If Matney never posts stats, how would anyone, including WYMT and the Lexington Herald know that? Just saying...

I dont think they were never submitted during the season as to not take away from the concept of team accomplishment. The media always has someone that keeps track of what happens in a game, be it radio crew or newspaper writer.

[Can you dig it?]

No it's not apples and pumpkins and it doesn't matter whether I like it or not. The Woodford game has no bearing on anything. What was Matney to personally gain anyways? He didn't even submit the stats. As I pointed out there are very few records held by anyone, anywhere, were an athlete has not been allowed to post numbers against inferior competition and get their times extended on the field/court by their coaching staffs. Why are you not blasting the record holders and the coach of every "record" stat listed by the KHSAA then? Do you think that Derek Homer got all of his yards against Highlands and Trinity and played two quarters of each game? Did Tim Couch throw for all of those yards against Saint X and sit out the second half in all of them? Why are you not blasting Homer, Couch and their coaches????? HUH??? Did Nolan Ryan throw all of those no-hitters and set the strikeout record all against the Yankees? Leads to the question of are you just a Matney and Jude hater?

You want to realisticly counter?

:lmao:I don't hate either of them. I think Matney's a blowhard who carefully scripts things for as long and as far as he can, generally until he runs into a quality opponent in the playoffs. Submitting the stat or not means squat. (I'm sure he made no mention of Jude's "record" against Woodford County in the post-game press.) If he had nothing to gain, then why pull the stunt that he set up to get Jude another shot at the yardage he needed for the single game record? Does that record define Jude as a running back, or does the subterfuge water it down? The kid's a gamer, I'll give him that, but I'd like to think that a kid with that kind of talent would rather have a shot at the title instead of a personal record. My question would be is this season a shot at the elusive title, or is this schedule just set up to give Jude an essentially meaningless record against the same ol', same ol'? http://scoreboard.12dt.com/scoreboard/kh.../?id=35118
Where's the beef?

[cougarpride08]

What was Jude's number last year when they played Highlands and Covington Cathloic? Seems to me this kid can run against any team. Credit goes to his offensive line.

[Tomcat Pride]

It was nice that the game was on Ihigh. That saved me a long drive down to watch the game and hear all that annoying music. Are all Johnson Central games on ihigh?

[know1]

Also, if someone can come to JC and beat them 100 then in no way am I going to be upset or mad about it. That’s what they are supposed to do. As far as I’m concerned you win every game by as much as you can. This everyone deserves a trophy stuff is bull crap; we are creating a generation that is weak.

I remember a couple of years ago when the JC coach wasn't very happy with Boyle County:

http://articles.centralkynews.com/2009-0...oyle-coach

[JCHS Alumni Eagle]

And as I said you will never hear anything from me about it... In my opinion you make teams and other programs fear you by beating them as bad as you can. Then in years when you have a down year, many times you will beat teams that should beat you just because they are afraid or because they remember just how badly you had beaten them and they are scared. This is not elementary or middle school sports, in high school all the bull crap and that junk should go out the window, no one owes anyone else anything.

[RoShamBo]

This blowout is just as much on Adams as it is Matney, why schedule this game? How is it good for your team to travel 6 hours for that beating? I just don't see how either team got any benefits from this game.

[Brandon40403]

teams blow other teams out every year the only real reason this is even an issue is because that jude is chasing the record I remember in 2007 Lexington Christian scored 62 twice in the same year and not a whole lot was said about that it happens...........ITS FOOTBALL

[eaglefan98]

I thought this site was to talk football not smack. If you don't like Matney then so what. Take it up with him. If you had an athlete like Jude on your team, would you want him to sit the bench just so that you wouldn't offend someone with your stats? Somehow I doubt it. This is just the first game of the season and it's already getting out of control. This kind of crap makes me not want to get on here at all. It's one thing to to do a little old fashion ribbing but some of these comments are totally uncalled for. Move on and focus on the rest of the season because in all reality until districts start the rest of these games are really just practice and bragging rites for all teams.

[eaglefan98]

Man stuff like this is what really bothers me about today’s generation. We are not talking about elementary or middle school sports. This is high school sports, if you can beat a team 100 you beat them a 100. About 90 percent of what is wrong with our kids today is that we have taught them that everyone should get a trophy, and if someone beats you then they shouldn't have beaten you as bad as they did. As far as I’m concerned, if Heath knew the outcome of this game before they came, then why agree to play in the first place.
Also, if someone can come to JC and beat them 100 then in no way am I going to be upset or mad about it. That’s what they are supposed to do. As far as I’m concerned you win every game by as much as you can. This everyone deserves a trophy stuff is bull crap; we are creating a generation that is weak.

I agree with you on this somewhat. I am sure that in the NFL they don't say "oh we are beating this team so bad, let's take it easy on them."They may pull some of their good players but that's about it. There is always going to be someone out there that is a little better than someone else at doing something.Why punish them for it? Instead teach them how to be graceful about it. Just saying

[know1]

I thought this site was to talk football not smack. If you don't like Matney then so what. Take it up with him. If you had an athlete like Jude on your team, would you want him to sit the bench just so that you wouldn't offend someone with your stats? Somehow I doubt it. This is just the first game of the season and it's already getting out of control. This kind of crap makes me not want to get on here at all. It's one thing to to do a little old fashion ribbing but some of these comments are totally uncalled for. Move on and focus on the rest of the season because in all reality until districts start the rest of these games are really just practice and bragging rites for all teams.

I think the issue is more with the scheduling of this game rather than how much or how little Jude plays. This is the non-district schedule and Heath is who you choose?

But, as someone said, Heath probably shouldn't have scheduled it either unless they were doing it for the money to help their program.

[Eagle Eye]

:lmao:I don't hate either of them. I think Matney's a blowhard who carefully scripts things for as long and as far as he can, generally until he runs into a quality opponent in the playoffs. Submitting the stat or not means squat. (I'm sure he made no mention of Jude's "record" against Woodford County in the post-game press.) If he had nothing to gain, then why pull the stunt that he set up to get Jude another shot at the yardage he needed for the single game record? Does that record define Jude as a running back, or does the subterfuge water it down? The kid's a gamer, I'll give him that, but I'd like to think that a kid with that kind of talent would rather have a shot at the title instead of a personal record. My question would be is this season a shot at the elusive title, or is this schedule just set up to give Jude an essentially meaningless record against the same ol', same ol'? http://scoreboard.12dt.com/scoreboard/kh.../?id=35118
Where's the beef?

Maybe he feels the same way about you!!!!!:biglmao:

[Redneck]

I thought this site was to talk football not smack. If you don't like Matney then so what. Take it up with him. If you had an athlete like Jude on your team, would you want him to sit the bench just so that you wouldn't offend someone with your stats? Somehow I doubt it. This is just the first game of the season and it's already getting out of control. This kind of crap makes me not want to get on here at all. It's one thing to to do a little old fashion ribbing but some of these comments are totally uncalled for. Move on and focus on the rest of the season because in all reality until districts start the rest of these games are really just practice and bragging rites for all teams.

If I had an athlete like Jude I would want him in the game, when the game is close and on the line. However, I wouldn't have him in the game when the game is out of reach. He is one of the best players in the state, a Mr. Football candidate, AND the backbone of the JC football team. Why risk getting him hurt causing him to miss a few games, possibly the season. He should have never touched the field in the second half against Heath. The game was over, Heath had no chance of coming back. I pull for JC every week, I just dont wanna see their season go down the drain because of some record.

[HD28]

Man stuff like this is what really bothers me about today’s generation. We are not talking about elementary or middle school sports. This is high school sports, if you can beat a team 100 you beat them a 100. About 90 percent of what is wrong with our kids today is that we have taught them that everyone should get a trophy, and if someone beats you then they shouldn't have beaten you as bad as they did. As far as I’m concerned, if Heath knew the outcome of this game before they came, then why agree to play in the first place.
Also, if someone can come to JC and beat them 100 then in no way am I going to be upset or mad about it. That’s what they are supposed to do. As far as I’m concerned you win every game by as much as you can. This everyone deserves a trophy stuff is bull crap; we are creating a generation that is weak.

Doesn't matter one iota to me, but I seem to recall reading an article in the paper where your coach was upset that someone (Boyle Co.?) wore his head out and he was going to drop them from the schedule or something like that...?

[Diogenes]

If I had an athlete like Jude I would want him in the game, when the game is close and on the line. However, I wouldn't have him in the game when the game is out of reach. He is one of the best players in the state, a Mr. Football candidate, AND the backbone of the JC football team. Why risk getting him hurt causing him to miss a few games, possibly the season. He should have never touched the field in the second half against Heath. The game was over, Heath had no chance of coming back. I pull for JC every week, I just dont wanna see their season go down the drain because of some record.

He got one carry in the second half and was done after that. On offense AND defense. In fact, the coaching staff tried to get him to take off his pads on the sidelines, but the other guys on the team convinced him not to do that because it might seem offensive to the other team.

The possibility of having a Mr. Football and/or state record holder is the most exciting thing that's ever happened in the history of JCHS football. Who would've ever thought, especially with Humphrey and Ross coaching, that could happen? Are we going to win a state title with a brand new QB, new FB, and new line? The odds that we're the team that's going to take down HHS this year are vanishingly small - and we're certainly not alone in 4A. (Now, check back in 2-3 seasons, with this current crop of 8-10th graders...they could form the best team in JC history.) But winning a statewide award and garnering statewide recognition...maybe even sending our first player ever to a I-A school (yes, Paul Webb signed to grayshirt at UK, but never actually made it onto the team)...that would be a tremendous accomplishment for our program. I understand the threat of injury, but as hard as he's worked, if he has the chance to get 300 yards in a game early on - especially on single-digit carries - and you don't let him...what's fair to J.J. about that? That kid busts his tail harder than anybody, and all he wants to do is be the best. Maybe the best ever in the state of Kentucky, the same as any other player would want if he had the chance.

[Can you dig it?]

Maybe he feels the same way about you!!!!!:biglmao:

I know you're excited about the new smilies, but is that the best you could do?:lame:

[BlackcatAlum]

[YOUTUBE=Jude's highlights vs. Heath]MUD2C9nplIU[/YOUTUBE]

[Redneck]

He got one carry in the second half and was done after that. On offense AND defense. In fact, the coaching staff tried to get him to take off his pads on the sidelines, but the other guys on the team convinced him not to do that because it might seem offensive to the other team.

The possibility of having a Mr. Football and/or state record holder is the most exciting thing that's ever happened in the history of JCHS football. Who would've ever thought, especially with Humphrey and Ross coaching, that could happen? Are we going to win a state title with a brand new QB, new FB, and new line? The odds that we're the team that's going to take down HHS this year are vanishingly small - and we're certainly not alone in 4A. (Now, check back in 2-3 seasons, with this current crop of 8-10th graders...they could form the best team in JC history.) But winning a statewide award and garnering statewide recognition...maybe even sending our first player ever to a I-A school (yes, Paul Webb signed to grayshirt at UK, but never actually made it onto the team)...that would be a tremendous accomplishment for our program. I understand the threat of injury, but as hard as he's worked, if he has the chance to get 300 yards in a game early on - especially on single-digit carries - and you don't let him...what's fair to J.J. about that? That kid busts his tail harder than anybody, and all he wants to do is be the best. Maybe the best ever in the state of Kentucky, the same as any other player would want if he had the chance.

JJ hardly touched the field in the scrimmage at Whitley County, was that fair to him, or was it that the scrimmage was meaningless and they didn't wanna risk him gettin injured. Non-district games aint no different, they have no bearing on whether or not you make the playoffs, it's all about district play. Heath was nothing more than another scrimmage game. I agree that JJ is the hardest working player, hell I've seen him out jogging/running around town on Saturday mornings after playing his butt off the night before, I'm not arguing that. JJ is gonna get his yards no matter what. He has great vision, balance, quickness, agility, and breakaway speed. He can break the record without leaving him in games that are already over. And as for Division 1-A, you forgot about Jessie Ray Peck (Marshall).

[Brandon40403]

Is it the kids fault that the coach wants him to get that record no.... Is it the kids fault for having enough god given talent to get that record no.... Is it the kids fault for doing what he is told no....... he is gonna get the record