[EKUAlum05]

Wouldn't bringing in Mingo Central just give Belfry TWO games in the PCB? What? Just sayin'! :biggrin:

Calm down, Belfry people, I was making a joke.

I laughed...then I thought about the past decade of drubbing our rival with wreckless abandon:trolldad:................ and laughed even more.

[Panther Thunder]

I laughed...then I thought about the past decade of drubbing our rival with wreckless abandon:trolldad:................ and laughed even more.

[hootie]

Congrats Pikeville on a great win.
The fact that Pike Central has the balls to say they wouldve played PHS and try to b the hero in the bowl is hilarious to me because b4 the massacer of the bowl happened PHS tried to schedule Central a couple of times and refused so what changed from then till now. absolutely nothing other than them being unrightfully cocky. The Pike county bowl used to b a showcase of the best two teams in the county vs outside good competition. belfry and pikeville is still the elite programs in this county. not central with nothin to bak it up with. yes they hav a good team this year but belfry and pikeville hav tradition and alot to live up to. not central and it shouldnt b until another 20 or so years wen and if central has something to throw at the discussion.

I wouldn't put Pikeville in the same sentence as Belfry.... Now thats funny! Guys the "GLORY YEARS" are over... Congrats to all the teams that took part. I enjoyed watching Pikeville air it out a little. FYI most of the people that are at the PCB are kids from all surrounding schools coming to socialize. It has nothing to do with football, so please do not act like you packed the stadium. PCB is a big deal to the kids....

[PHSForever]

I laughed...then I thought about the past decade of drubbing our rival with wreckless abandon:trolldad:................ and laughed even more.

Oooh, touche'!!

[jetpilot]

I laughed...then I thought about the past decade of drubbing our rival with wreckless abandon:trolldad:................ and laughed even more.

Then you looked at both schools' ACT scores got ermbarrassed...:concentratetongue:

[PHSForever]

Then you looked at both schools' ACT scores got ermbarrassed...:concentratetongue:

^^^ :Clap:

Seriously, let's keep the academics out of this, before we become a Topix thread. lol

[EKUAlum05]

Then you looked at both schools' ACT scores got ermbarrassed...:concentratetongue:

Explain to this dumb ole holler boy the logarithm you use to calculate the line for this year's bloodbath. Does the better ACT score make Pikeville a 42 point underdog or a 48 point dog, not exacly sure how that correlates so I will defer to my favorite Pahk-villians?


Love ya guys though.

[jetpilot]

Explain to this dumb ole holler boy the logarithm you use to calculate the line for this year's bloodbath. Does the better ACT score make Pikeville a 42 point underdog or a 48 point dog, not exacly sure how that correlates so I will defer to my favorite Pahk-villians?


Love ya guys though.

By my calculations, the ACT scores mean that Pikeville is a 42 point underdog for a couple hours on one Friday night and then heavy favorites the rest of their lives after the game is over.

[Buc-a-roo]

When I looked at the scores a week or so ago, I noticed Pikeville only had about 80+ students take the exam and Belfry had about 170.

Does Pikeville test every junior and senior for the ACT or just the ones that are college bound? What about vocational students?

Same questions for Belfry?

I'm not asking to try and trap anyone into an argument, I am just wondering and trying to look at the scores for what they are.

For the record, the state average composite score is 18.3
Belfry's composite score is just below that at 17.8
Pikeville's composite score is just above that at 20.0

Not really a huge discrepancy.

[Panther Thunder]

[YOUTUBE="Pikeville vs. TPHS 2011 PCB"]Irg5UPYcIRE[/YOUTUBE]

[hawkfan4lyf]

With 6 weeks before the season begins and every team full on their schedules? Give me a break. You obviously know little about game scheduling in high school... We PHS fans appreciate Tellico coming to play and wish them luck. To the Franklin school who would not honor a previously signed commitment, I hope they are never invited back to the PCB. And I also REALLY hope the PCB committee takes a long hard look and reconsiders this format, the Phelps-PCCHS and SV and ER games were embarrassments.

:Thumbs: Pike Central tried to get out of playing Phelps before we had to play them last year (FYI). The PCB committee gave PCCHS NO Other Option for last year & this year. Guarantee they will try to schedule them against someone stronger next year since they may be down after this year. Just my opinion.

[jetpilot]

When I looked at the scores a week or so ago, I noticed Pikeville only had about 80+ students take the exam and Belfry had about 170.

Does Pikeville test every junior and senior for the ACT or just the ones that are college bound? What about vocational students?

Same questions for Belfry?

I'm not asking to try and trap anyone into an argument, I am just wondering and trying to look at the scores for what they are.

Pretty sure all take it...I think the scores are for juniors only, and 80+ per class at Pikeville is about right. Really just giving '05 a hard time and now I have to admit it, but if I did want to take it one step further with him I would tell him I'm sure the Belfry kids are as smart as the Pikeville kids, it's bound to be all those West Virginia kids bringing their scores down.:devilflam
Hehe I'm done, I shouldn't have gone down this road in the first place.
Ready for some football and I do want my second favorite team to have a great year.:rockon:

[EKUAlum05]

Pretty sure all take it...I think the scores are for juniors only, and 80+ per class at Pikeville is about right. Really just giving '05 a hard time and now I have to admit it, but if I did want to take it one step further with him I would tell him I'm sure the Belfry kids are as smart as the Pikeville kids, it's bound to be all those West Virginia kids bringing their scores down.:devilflam
Hehe I'm done, I shouldn't have gone down this road in the first place.
Ready for some football and I do want my second favorite team to have a great year.:rockon:

I shall respond using emoticons:

nicker: <--- In response to the joke

hh:<--- Is my official stance

:1:<---- Belfry football this past decade

:worthy:<-----Pikeville football this past decade

:gtfo:<--My response to any Pike Central fan who thinks they want in this discussion

[bucslover68]

This banter between EKU an Pile It is one of the funniest, greatest, "friendly" back and forths I can remember. Having had two sisters graduate from Pikeville, I know they have the edge academically and that is what is, Hm Hm, most important...But the only numbers that most of us high school football fans really care about are the AKTs not the ACTs...And those numbers read like this...Belfry 36, Peeaanthers 11...You all can research and decipher exactly what AKTs and the numbers represent...Having known Mac for years and knowing what he stands for and having always supported PHS, I do wish them luck and good health all year...For Pike County football to get back to what it should be, Pikeville needs to be a semi-final, state final contender every year. I hope they get back to those days.

[Panther Thunder]

I shall respond using emoticons:

nicker: <--- In response to the joke

hh:<--- Is my official stance

:1:<---- Belfry football this past decade

:worthy:<-----Pikeville football this past decade

:gtfo:<--My response to any Pike Central fan who thinks they want in this discussion

Hahahah. That is awesome.

[Big Five-0-]

I wouldn't put Pikeville in the same sentence as Belfry.... Now thats funny! Guys the "GLORY YEARS" are over... Congrats to all the teams that took part. I enjoyed watching Pikeville air it out a little. FYI most of the people that are at the PCB are kids from all surrounding schools coming to socialize. It has nothing to do with football, so please do not act like you packed the stadium. PCB is a big deal to the kids....

No problem putting Pikeville in the same sentance as Belfry. Until any school in Pike County, other than the old Elkhorn City high school (state champs 1964), wins a state championship, we are the elite. You know, three for Pikeville, two for Belfry. Oh, by the way we appreciate those kids from the surrounding schools standing and cheering the Panthers on when big plays were made. Sure looked like the stadium was packed then . nicker:

[HornetSting]

PCC could defeat Pikeville by 2 TDs.No matter who your weapons are PCC's guys are lock down hard hitters.

[LeeCoUKFan]

[YOUTUBE="Pikeville vs. TPHS 2011 PCB"]Irg5UPYcIRE[/YOUTUBE]

Another GREAT highlight video PT!!

[More Cowbell]

What people have got to understand is that, yes, Pike Central has been better the past 2 years. That is my opinion. And while this is true. Ya think Pike Central ever wanted to play Pikeville before they had 3 good seasons? Just look at it rationally. Of course Pike Central wants to play now that they are the high point in their history and Pikeville is at a low (relatively speaking) point. And of course Pikeville wouldn't have minded playing the game in 1999.

Be rational (The keyword here, try to take emotion out of the equation). Pikeville has NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to gain from a game with Pike Central at this point. Would it be a good gate? Yepp.

-What if Pikeville wins? Oh yeah, they are Pikeville. They should win. It is not a big deal.

-What if Pike Central wins? All hell breaks loose with rabid Pike Central fans wanting instant program gratification. Huge deal.

It just is an unnecessary thing to do. Pikeville has nothing to prove. The Pikeville track record speaks for itself. Pike Central right now does have a little bit to prove. If you are a rival, Pikeville, why do anything that may ensure that? The opposition will say, "Man up and play the game." While that sounds good, it is not logical. Logic will say just sit back and let this cycle run its course and see what happens. If Pike Central has the same 25 Year stretch Pikeville has had the next 25 years, then it will be Pikeville fans clamoring for a match up with Pike Central to prove something.

If you look at the situation from a Team A/Team B approach it makes sense. Like Florida State playing South Florida in 2009. They had nothing to gain. While, USF was ranked higher and assumed to be the better team by some, FSU had nothing to gain by winning. If they win, so what you are FSU you should win. However, USF won the game and gave them some more grown to stand on in the "the gap is closing" debate.

That is essentially the most simple way to put it. I hope it makes sense to everyone like it does me.

I understand your point, and the logic behind it is solid. But you have to admit that to an outsider, it would also have the appearance of "being scared" to play the other team, does it not?

And note that I am certainly NOT saying that Pikeville is scared to play Pike Central. What I am saying is that using the above argument with ANY two teams where one team is the traditional power and the other is not, can give the appearance that the traditional power is "scared that they MIGHT lose".

On a somewhat related note, how did Pikeville and Shelby Valley end up playing each other this year? Even though I don't see much of a chance for SV to knock off Pikeville this year, wouldn't this still be one of those "nothing to gain/everything to lose" type of games?

[More Cowbell]

I agree to an extent but by your logic SV basketball should never play Pikeville(I know they have to because of district) because they have nothing to gain.......right?

Basketball is a little different, but if they weren't district opponents then the theory would still mostly apply.

Again, I see the logic behind the theory, and it makes sense. But if Shelby Valley refused to schedule Pikeville in basketball because of this reasoning, what would everyone say about Valley? They would rip SV for being too "scared" to play the Panthers, because the situation would give off such an impression to outsiders.

Personally, if at some point Valley and Pikeville got placed in different districts and were no longer required to play, I would hope the two teams would still continue to meet in the regular season. I would be embarassed for my alma mater if SV ever refused to schedule Pikeville because of such reasoning, even if the logic is sound behind it.

[Panther Thunder]

I understand your point, and the logic behind it is solid. But you have to admit that to an outsider, it would also have the appearance of "being scared" to play the other team, does it not?

And note that I am certainly NOT saying that Pikeville is scared to play Pike Central. What I am saying is that using the above argument with ANY two teams where one team is the traditional power and the other is not, can give the appearance that the traditional power is "scared that they MIGHT lose".

On a somewhat related note, how did Pikeville and Shelby Valley end up playing each other this year? Even though I don't see much of a chance for SV to knock off Pikeville this year, wouldn't this still be one of those "nothing to gain/everything to lose" type of games?

Sure. And that is fine. I would rather make sound stock investments than make some irrational trades on volatile brands just because I was upset someone called me scared not to do it.


As for the SV game, I really don't know. The two schools have played before from what I understand (Albeit a long time ago). And you are correct, it is one of those games. Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our faces.

[Panther Thunder]

Again, I see the logic behind the theory, and it makes sense. But if Shelby Valley refused to schedule Pikeville in basketball because of this reasoning, what would everyone say about Valley? They would rip SV for being too "scared" to play the Panthers, because the situation would give off such an impression to outsiders.

Personally, if at some point Valley and Pikeville got placed in different districts and were no longer required to play, I would hope the two teams would still continue to meet in the regular season. I would be embarassed for my alma mater if SV ever refused to schedule Pikeville because of such reasoning, even if the logic is sound behind it.

The more i think about it, the more different basketball is. One game in basketball is not as big of a deal as one game in football. One loss, or even 3-4 losses as we witnessed this year, obviously doesn't change the tides in the basketball world in Pike County.

I see your side as well, and it has definitely poked holes in my theory, but I still stand by it as what is the correct thing to do at this time.

[More Cowbell]

That's what happens when they pick a team who had 1 win last season to play in the PCB.

Touche but either way a stronger team could have been picked up

You are way off-base trying to criticize Pikeville for their opponent in the PCB. First off, they didn't pick their opponent, the PCB comittee did. And Pikeville was originally scheduled to play Harrison Co., who would have been a much better matchup. But thanks to Franklin Co. backing out of their deal, the bowl got put in a bad position.

I don't know why you say a stronger team could have been picked up. What team did you have in mind? Most other schools already had their schedule filled, and the ones that didn't couldn't re-arrange all their other games to make it work. The way things happened, the bowl organizers were fortunate to find ANY team to come in, no matter how weak they were. When you're backed into a corner, you can't be picky about who you take.

Considering the two teams that were coming in, the comittee did the right thing by placing the stronger opponent with Belfry and the lesser one with Pikeville. Even though Tellico Plains wasn't on the same level as Pikeville, it could have gotten REALLY ugly if they were the ones playing Belfry instead.

Bottom line, don't blame Pikeville for something that is out of their control.

[More Cowbell]

Sure. And that is fine. I would rather make sound stock investments than make some irrational trades on volatile brands just because I was upset someone called me scared not to do it.

On the first point, I am not discounting the logic. On the contrary, I agree that the reasoning makes sense. I am just saying that when using that reasoning, you have to expect that others will perceive you to be "scared", even if that is not the case.

Then again, setting up your retirement fund with good stock investments is a little different than deciding whether or not to play a local school in football, don't you think? Not exactly the same stakes riding on it.

[More Cowbell]

As for the SV game, I really don't know. The two schools have played before from what I understand (Albeit a long time ago). And you are correct, it is one of those games. Hopefully it doesn't blow up in our faces.

How many times have Pikeville and SV played? The last time I remember them playing was in 1990. It was SV's first year as a school, and they were still classified as 1A (Virgie's old spot) in Pikeville's district. Then in 1991 Valley got reclassified into 2A, and that was that.

I just did a quick check on khsaa.org, and they haven't played any since the 1998 season on. I suppose they may have played some during the mid-90's, as I was not living around here at the time, but I don't remember it. Do you know for sure of any other meetings from the 1991 through 1997 seasons?

[Panther Thunder]

On the first point, I am not discounting the logic. On the contrary, I agree that the reasoning makes sense. I am just saying that when using that reasoning, you have to expect that others will perceive you to be "scared", even if that is not the case.

Then again, setting up your retirement fund with good stock investments is a little different than deciding whether or not to play a local school in football, don't you think? Not exactly the same stakes riding on it.

Point taken. But, it was the best analogy I could come up with at 12:30 in the morning lol. (However, to the people making the decisions it could very well effect their livelihood directly. Help PC get the ball rolling, Lose future kids to their program, lose games = lose your job)

I am a hypocrite on the issue. I have been on message boards, condemning UF for not playing both Miami and FSU. Instead playing only FSU. But trying to look at it objectively, I see that is more that it is just one more way to aggravate Gator fans and less of a sound argument.

There are good arguments both ways, and I try to look at it as objectively as possible, like I said it is just my opinion. But, opposed to a select few others I try to back mine up with reasoning as opposed to off-base, unfounded claims and debates. I am always up for a good conversation on controversial subjects like this, and you have always been a good guy to go back and forth with. :Thumbs:

[Panther Thunder]

How many times have Pikeville and SV played? The last time I remember them playing was in 1990. It was SV's first year as a school, and they were still classified as 1A (Virgie's old spot) in Pikeville's district. Then in 1991 Valley got reclassified into 2A, and that was that.

I just did a quick check on khsaa.org, and they haven't played any since the 1998 season on. I suppose they may have played some during the mid-90's, as I was not living around here at the time, but I don't remember it. Do you know for sure of any other meetings from the 1991 through 1997 seasons?

I will check with one of the guys I talk to regularly that played at both Pikeville and SV in the early 90's. I believe he has told me before that they played in either 1993 or 1994 (possibly both).

[More Cowbell]

The more i think about it, the more different basketball is. One game in basketball is not as big of a deal as one game in football. One loss, or even 3-4 losses as we witnessed this year, obviously doesn't change the tides in the basketball world in Pike County.

I see your side as well, and it has definitely poked holes in my theory, but I still stand by it as what is the correct thing to do at this time.

I really don't think 1 loss in football would change the tides of football in Pike County, either. If by some crazy chance SV was to knock off Pikeville this year (or if Pike Central won any potential future game with the Panthers), it still wouldn't change the "football status" of either school in my opinion.

Losing one game to a county school other than Belfry isn't going to erase the last 20-30 years of Pikeville tradition. By the same token, winning one game over the Panthers isn't going to vault SV or PC into being an elite program, only sustained success and consistency on the field year after year will do that. And it's not like losing such a game is going to make city kids run off and decide they want to play at PC or SV instead. In the end, it's just one game.

I do see some difference in basketball and football, but to me it's more based on the difference in the number of games in a season. Basketball usually has 20+ regular-season games, while football only has 10. So in hoops, you have a little more room to play tough out-of-the-area teams, while still keeping alive your local rivalries as well. In football, there's just not enough room on the schedule to play all your local rivals every year. But while I'm not advocating that Pikeville should play Shelby Valley and/or Pike Central every year, I do feel they should play a lot more often than they have been. They could at least meet up every 4-5 years or so.

[More Cowbell]

Point taken. But, it was the best analogy I could come up with at 12:30 in the morning lol. (However, to the people making the decisions it could very well effect their livelihood directly. Help PC get the ball rolling, Lose future kids to their program, lose games = lose your job)

I do see your point, and I'm sure the Pikeville boosters and old guard would be aghast at even the idea of losing to a non-Belfry county team in football. But I think it would be more of a temporary embarassment than the start of something more. Like I said in another post, it's not like losing one game to PC is going to cause city kids to up and transfer up the road just to play football for the Hawks. Or at least I would hope it wouldn't.

[More Cowbell]

There are good arguments both ways, and I try to look at it as objectively as possible, like I said it is just my opinion. But, opposed to a select few others I try to back mine up with reasoning as opposed to off-base, unfounded claims and debates. I am always up for a good conversation on controversial subjects like this, and you have always been a good guy to go back and forth with. :Thumbs:

Thanks, and I have usually enjoyed having discussions with you as well. It's always better to engage in conversation with someone who is actually thinking things through, and not just responding out of raw emotion. :thumpsup: