[TheRealVille]

I know decerning the truth is not your strong suit but, surely you realize the videos and skits mocking Sarah Palin done by people like Bill Maher, Katie Couric and the cast of Saturday Night Live, are known liberals and ultra left in their political convictions. They did it to make a contribution to the 'liberal cause' and the video you posted of Bachmann being lampooned is just another copy cat following in the footsteps of those I have mentioned. You see this kind of thing on in the media and mistakenly assume it to be representative of main stream America. You quoted the number the other day but, it still hasn't sunk in yet for you, 21% liberal, 79% something else.

I won't need to worry about selling my soul to the devil as you say. In my case it was purchased by God's own Son the Lord Jesus Christ. He paid for it with His blood when He died a substitutionary death for me on the cross, the Lamb of God and, willing sacrifice. The stakes are admittedly high, the future of America lies in the balance. The 79 percenters will come through in 2012.

I don't have the resources neccessary to make a challenge as to Obama being "non American" as you put it. I will say this however, I do find it interesting Obama is all about visiting Iran but, he has never visited our ally Israel. To me Obama is a novice, ideologue. The product of his liberal education at Occidental and Harvard. Like a coach that cannot see the floor, sticking doggedly to an ill concieved strategy and, unable to coach on his feet, appears foolish to all watching. So is your boy Obama. Totally an abject failure, he soldiers on insanely doing the same thing over and over and expects different results. In his case however, he continues to ignore the advice and warnings voiced by the millions that oppose his policies even though deafening in his ears. He has shot himself in the foot and for you not to be able to see the fact that red blooded Americans, many of whom DID serve in the armed forces, sacrificing so much for their country, have the right to call out wrong or failures by this, or any other administration, is what I would consider non American.

It is a parody, but a parody of everything she has said that she believes in, nonetheless. I guess it hasn't sunk in to you that 29% can't elect a President. Some of your guys had to cross over. On the last point, I look forward to seeing you on here on November of next year.



It's a good thing you are "bought and paid for by the blood", or the devil would have your hide, just so you could get Obama out.

[Hoot Gibson]

The part I bolded from your post. Yes, it was intended to insult her, because she is so easy to insult. She is an idiot. It was one single small group of people that made the video, I would bet the left didn't even know about it until it hit youtube. As to Palin, the only ones in the world that didn't know she was a blooming idiot, were the ones like you, Hoot, and JP, that would sell their soul to the d evil to get Obama out of office. You people lied through your teeth, trying to paint Obama as a non American muslim.

More lies. It appears that it is a habit that you cannot kick. I have never said that I believe that Obama is not an American. He panders to Muslims but I have seen no evidence that he is a religious man.

[WideRight05]

^ Hoot for President!!!

[TheRealThing]

It is a parody, but a parody of everything she has said that she believes in, nonetheless. I guess it hasn't sunk in to you that 29% can't elect a President. Some of your guys had to cross over. On the last point, I look forward to seeing you on here on November of next year.



It's a good thing you are "bought and paid for by the blood", or the devil would have your hide, just so you could get Obama out.

You misquoted me but that's close enough, and by the way, you got it right the last time when you used 21% as the ratio of liberals to the rest.
I don't have anything personal against you RV. I do advocate thinking for one's self and not being led around by the nose by the liberal loons you idolize. I recognize that Obama had some cross overs to vote for him. As for my stated position about politicians, not all dems are hopeless ideologues. Folks like Rudy Giuliani are very reasonable men.

You have a president whose every financial move puts the middle class in yet greater peril, all the while pretending to be for the middle class. Again, as I have pointed out in the past, living off the long held misconception that the democrats are there out of the most pure of motivations, that of looking out for the working folks. :lame: Working men used to pride themselves on being practical and not easily fooled. Look at what the democrats do. Preach the age old mantra of representing the "blue collar working man." Taking taxes in the front door and passing the money out the back door so fast we can't keep up with the demand. And who gets the money? PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK! Anyone other me find anything inconsistent about that?

Before Obama got in, we were coasting along business as usual, at 6.8% unemployment. Since he got in we have been 9 or above. Now, admit it, if John McCain had gotten elected and we'd had an unemployment rate above 9% you and the rest of the pack would have been howling about it, blaming the republicans. But, since Obama got elected you've still blamed the republicans. In a word, it's rediculous. Now we're in the middle of a "fundamental transformation" of America. Here's a working man's pespective for you, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" how about this one, "you gotta be smarter than what you're working on"

Is it America first or democrats first? I can't and won't support the democratic cause anymore. There is no honor in the way they defame and malign their colleagues across the aisle. The republicans are every bit as good morally and intellectually as the dems. Just because a guy is smiling and patting me on the back doesn't mean I don't know when I'm getting hosed.

[jetpilot]

Love your posts TheRealThing.

[jetpilot]

I guess you are the only one that doesn't make mistakes when speaking? It was a simple case of mis-speaking. Of course, half truths are nothing new to the far right. It's pretty obvious he was tired, and acknowledged as much later that day.

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:lmao:

[TheRealVille]

You misquoted me but that's close enough, and by the way, you got it right the last time when you used 21% as the ratio of liberals to the rest.
I don't have anything personal against you RV. I do advocate thinking for one's self and not being led around by the nose by the liberal loons you idolize. I recognize that Obama had some cross overs to vote for him. As for my stated position about politicians, not all dems are hopeless ideologues. Folks like Rudy Giuliani are very reasonable men.

You have a president whose every financial move puts the middle class in yet greater peril, all the while pretending to be for the middle class. Again, as I have pointed out in the past, living off the long held misconception that the democrats are there out of the most pure of motivations, that of looking out for the working folks. :lame: Working men used to pride themselves on being practical and not easily fooled. Look at what the democrats do. Preach the age old mantra of representing the "blue collar working man." Taking taxes in the front door and passing the money out the back door so fast we can't keep up with the demand. And who gets the money? PEOPLE WHO DON'T WORK! Anyone other me find anything inconsistent about that?

Before Obama got in, we were coasting along business as usual, at 6.8% unemployment. Since he got in we have been 9 or above. Now, admit it, if John McCain had gotten elected and we'd had an unemployment rate above 9% you and the rest of the pack would have been howling about it, blaming the republicans. But, since Obama got elected you've still blamed the republicans. In a word, it's rediculous. Now we're in the middle of a "fundamental transformation" of America. Here's a working man's pespective for you, "if it ain't broke don't fix it" how about this one, "you gotta be smarter than what you're working on"

Is it America first or democrats first? I can't and won't support the democratic cause anymore. There is no honor in the way they defame and malign their colleagues across the aisle. The republicans are every bit as good morally and intellectually as the dems. Just because a guy is smiling and patting me on the back doesn't mean I don't know when I'm getting hosed.

Yes, the 29% was a mis-type on my part. I don't know how many times I have told you all, but I wouldn't vote for Obama again. You must skip over that part of my posts when I type it. I posted this video because it was funny as hell, and although exaggerated, was almost dead on with what Michele believes. She is way out on the fringe, and that has to be obvious to everybody.

[TheRealThing]

Yes, the 29% was a mis-type on my part. I don't know how many times I have told you all, but I wouldn't vote for Obama again. You must skip over that part of my posts when I type it. I posted this video because it was funny as hell, and although exaggerated, was almost dead on with what Michele believes. She is way out on the fringe, and that has to be obvious to everybody.

You sitting down? I agree, she's way right. However, the wierd stuff she says has the unique distinction of not costing me more in tax dollars. A Christian right winger in office means we can expect them to take a more a Christ-like position in their decision making process. Which means she would be against the controversial legislation coming down the pike such as the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, redefining the traditional American family unit to more closely resemble an "Occupy" mob, new and better ways to kill the unborn, things like that. Not so bad when one stops to consider the changes Obama has brought and the price tag of those changes, over four trillion and set to go waaay more. Who's gonna pay for it all, you? Cause I sure can't. As I write this if one could divided the INTEREST ONLY for the national debt equally among every breathing American the figure would be 1400.00 each year. Show me even one liberal, including Obama, that worries or cares about that.

Obama's wierd ideas cost money, 92 billion in 'stimulus' dollars for the green industry so far. For example, we keep handing out the millions to the electic car manufacturers and they keep dropping like flies. The electric car has been a failure since the 1800's, I found HUNDREDS of failed electric car manufacturers link---- http://earlyelectric.com/carcompanies.html please have a look. By the way, windmills ain't my idea of cutting edge technology either, and solar power won't amount to much more than a novelty for the foreseeable future. It would take a genius like Obama to hold up the Canadian pipeline which would provide a dependable source for one of the few viable fuels used at this time of our nation's history, oil.

His looney ideas cost trilliions. Her's may make you want to shake your head but, that's free (for now). As I have noted on more than one occasion in the past, Obama doesn't learn by history. That means the school of hard knocks has no effect on him, he can't learn by the mistakes of others or himself. He still has the arrangance to get up and lecture the planet though.

[Hoot Gibson]

Yes, the 29% was a mis-type on my part. I don't know how many times I have told you all, but I wouldn't vote for Obama again. You must skip over that part of my posts when I type it. I posted this video because it was funny as hell, and although exaggerated, was almost dead on with what Michele believes. She is way out on the fringe, and that has to be obvious to everybody.

This is the first time that I have read that you would not vote for Obama again. Given that you recently stated that Romney would get your vote if he is the GOP nominee and your subsequent statement that Romney will not get your vote because he is not a tool of big labor, that seems to leave you with only the options of not voting or casting a protest vote. I am still waiting for you to articulate one single criticism of Obama's policies.

[TheRealVille]

This is the first time that I have read that you would not vote for Obama again. Given that you recently stated that Romney would get your vote if he is the GOP nominee and your subsequent statement that Romney will not get your vote because he is not a tool of big labor, that seems to leave you with only the options of not voting or casting a protest vote. I am still waiting for you to articulate one single criticism of Obama's policies.

I don't have to articulate anything for you Hoot.

[Hoot Gibson]

I don't have to articulate anything for you Hoot.

You are absolutely correct but being unable to criticize Obama, the worst president of our lifetime - even one single time, is what makes you a hack. For some reason, I am having a very difficult time believing that you will ever vote against a candidate who is so deep in organized labor's pocket as Obama.

[TheRealVille]

You are absolutely correct but being unable to criticize Obama, the worst president of our lifetime - even one single time, is what makes you a hack. For some reason, I am having a very difficult time believing that you will ever vote against a candidate who is so deep in organized labor's pocket as Obama.

Once again, I don't like you at all, and will not explain anything to you. After a good private talk with Jetpilot last night, I have gained a ton of respect for him. That's something I don't think you will ever get from me.

[WideRight05]

Using common sense...

Obama comes in making a ton of promises, but unlike a typical politician (who does make lots of promises they can't keep) he comes in thinking he is just going to take this big mess and turn it around with his magic wand. Bush did this, Bush did that. Here comes Obama to save the day. Well, the fact is, he took "Bush's" molehills and turned them into mountains! There were some people that seriously thought this guy was going to turn around the economy his first six months he was in office. He comes in, and three years later we are in the worst shape we have ever been in. He is too arrogant to work with anybody on either side, and he has been an embarrassment to America in so many ways when he meets with leaders from other countries. We've had good and bad presidents that had their own ways of making things good or bad. I wasn't alive in Jimmy Carter's time, but I never thought we would come close to seeing anybody worse than him. I don't even know where to start with Obama.

But hopefully, America knows where to finish it. And that's at the polls in 11 months!

[TheRealVille]

Using common sense...

Obama comes in making a ton of promises, but unlike a typical politician (who does make lots of promises they can't keep) he comes in thinking he is just going to take this big mess and turn it around with his magic wand. Bush did this, Bush did that. Here comes Obama to save the day. Well, the fact is, he took "Bush's" molehills and turned them into mountains! There were some people that seriously thought this guy was going to turn around the economy his first six months he was in office. He comes in, and three years later we are in the worst shape we have ever been in. He is too arrogant to work with anybody on either side, and he has been an embarrassment to America in so many ways when he meets with leaders from other countries. We've had good and bad presidents that had their own ways of making things good or bad. I wasn't alive in Jimmy Carter's time, but I never thought we would come close to seeing anybody worse than him. I don't even know where to start with Obama.

But hopefully, America knows where to finish it. And that's at the polls in 11 months!

That's a pretty generic post there , Wideright. Lay it out for us an economic way. Talk about the actual goods and bads of Bush and Obama. That post looks like you are coming at us with a totally biased republican type of thinking, with no actual knowledge of what you are saying. Add to that, you say you weren't even alive when Carter was President, how much work and worldly knowledge could you really have?

[WideRight05]

^ Oh please, don't even go there. With know knowledge of what I am saying? I have watched you debate Hoot and TheRealThing all the time, and they kick your ass up and down this board. I've never seen you use one source that wasn't full of some bullshit liberal propaganda. Better yet, why don't you tell me what GOOD obama has done for the economy?

FWIW, I used to think like you. I had more of a liberal sense of thinking this time five years ago. It was in college when I really started to study this stuff seriously, that my opinions changed. I really liked obama until about 2007.

[TheRealVille]

^ Oh please, don't even go there. With know knowledge of what I am saying? I have watched you debate Hoot and TheRealThing all the time, and they kick your ass up and down this board. I've never seen you use one source that wasn't full of some bullshit liberal propaganda. Better yet, why don't you tell me what GOOD obama has done for the economy?

FWIW, I used to think like you. I had more of a liberal sense of thinking this time five years ago. It was in college when I really started to study this stuff seriously, that my opinions changed. I really liked obama until about 2007.

No they don't, They just come from a far right wing point of view, and that is a view you hold, hence is why you think they kick my ass. There are many people that live without a far right wing view. I don't take up for Obama, I just point out that the republicans have just as many faults. So, you just have 5 years work experience,..... I see. I will give them credit, they have enough experience to be able to have their view. Still, your post above is just a generic right wing post, with no actual information included. Give us the actual information you are talking about.

[WideRight05]

No they don't. They just come from a far right wing point of view. There are many people that come without a far right wing view. I don't take up for Obama, I just point out that the republicans have just as many faults.

I don't care what point of view they come from.

I want you to answer the question. What GOOD has obama done for the economy?

[TheRealVille]

I don't care what point of view they come from.

I want you to answer the question. What GOOD has obama done for the economy?

Like I said, I don't take up for him, so I have no reason to say what good he has done for the economy. You say he is bad, tell us why he is bad and Bush 2 was good, since that's as far back as you can go in your adult lifetime. I've got 30 some odd years out in the workforce, I don't have to explain anything to you. The economy isn't all that's to be considered in Presidential thinking. Another point of view is just as important, Human/Taxpayer equal rights.

[TheRealVille]

The republicans want a big change in the economy? If they will get out of the business of trying to legislate what taxpaying citizens can do in their personal lives, and quit trying to make this a Christian nation, there won't be another democrat ever elected. TheRealThing's post was a perfect example. His type of thinking and ruling is why we have democrats to even out the balance.

You sitting down? I agree, she's way right. However, the wierd stuff she says has the unique distinction of not costing me more in tax dollars. A Christian right winger in office means we can expect them to take a more a Christ-like position in their decision making process. Which means she would be against the controversial legislation coming down the pike such as the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell, redefining the traditional American family unit to more closely resemble an "Occupy" mob, new and better ways to kill the unborn, things like that.

As long as this type of thinking exist, democrats will be around. I am 100% for gay rights to marriage, and to serve my country openly, and that is a major reason I vote democrat. I am flexible on abortion, but as long as the supreme court says it's legal, I'm for the right to choose. If the republicans didn't want abortion to be legal, they shouldn't have made it legal, since 7 of the 9 sitting Justices at that time were appointed by republicans. Not to mention that 5 of the 7 that voted in favor of it were conservatives.

[RunItUpTheGut]

Id vote John Calipari if he was running.

[TheRealThing]

^This kind of thinking will exist RealVille, as long as the earth stands. Since it's existence, after all, is due to God's soveriegn will on the matter. That's part of why you are so bull headed on the US law. The constitution is grounded in long accepted Christian principles which, you despise. Any candidate therefore, which would return us to our early Christian roots gets lampooned by people who make videos and such things, that serve to mock them, as if they are stupid and simple minded. You agree with them and thus, are ever vigilant to find and post material that makes candidates with a Christian viewpoint look as bad as possible.

[nky]

Id vote John Calipari if he was running.

What about Tubby?

[Wildcatk23]

What about Tubby?

Isn't he b..... Irish though.

[TheRealVille]

^This kind of thinking will exist RealVille, as long as the earth stands. Since it's existence, after all, is due to God's soveriegn will on the matter. That's part of why you are so bull headed on the US law. The constitution is grounded in long accepted Christian principles which, you despise. Any candidate therefore, which would return us to our early Christian roots gets lampooned by people who make videos and such things, that serve to mock them, as if they are stupid and simple minded. You agree with them and thus, are ever vigilant to find and post material that makes candidates with a Christian viewpoint look as bad as possible.

:biggrin:

[vundy33]

Michelle is pretty dumb...but, she is smokin' hot for her age, and I have a thing for hot MILF/Cougar teacher and politician types, like Sarah Palin.

Only good thing about a Bachman presidency would be her looks, I think. I'd rather have Hillary, but I'd rather look at Michelle. Just sayin'...

[vundy33]

^This kind of thinking will exist RealVille, as long as the earth stands. Since it's existence, after all, is due to God's soveriegn will on the matter. That's part of why you are so bull headed on the US law. The constitution is grounded in long accepted Christian principles which, you despise. Any candidate therefore, which would return us to our early Christian roots gets lampooned by people who make videos and such things, that serve to mock them, as if they are stupid and simple minded. You agree with them and thus, are ever vigilant to find and post material that makes candidates with a Christian viewpoint look as bad as possible.

What do you not understand about 1775 and 2011 being two different times? Yeah, it was founded on Christian principles, but back then, every country was. Times change, and we don't have to like it, but it happens. Trust me, I deal with the PC bullshit enough with the Army.

TRV doesn't hate Christians..he hates the ones that make you all look bad, like I do. The ones who accuse Pres Obama of being Kenyan or some stupid crap like that, and that actually hate him because they "think"(and they're wrong) that he's a Muslim. Also, the two-faced Christians that I've mentioned many times, the ones who go to church and say they're good Christian people when they're doing nothing but judging and hating on anything and everything that is different, including Muslims in America.

I had a convo on Facebook with some stupid crazy Christians about how they think that "Muslims are taking over America"...they said some of the dumbest things I've ever seen, like we shouldn't let Muslims in our country, and shouldn't allow them to open up businesses because they'll probably use it to funnel money to terrorists. It's ridiculous.

I dislike Muslims, pretty much everyone from the Middle-East/Central Asia, but it's not because of religion, it's because I'm programmed to not trust them. We fought them, I don't like them and I can't help it. When a Muslim/Arab is around me, I'm on edge, and I watch them like a hawk. That's just muscle memory though. I don't like it, but like I said, I can't help it. I don't want to be that way because I have a couple Muslim friend's, two in the Army, and one Afghan Commando I keep in touch with through Facebook. But, Christians who hate/dislike Muslims because of religion and grouping them all into one group because of a select few are doing the same thing our enemy is doing and that Christians criticize them for...fighting over stupid religious differences.

Times are changing, our country is no longer a "Christian" country, or a country with "Christian principles". We have all types of religions here, and they all deserve a say without putting up with Christians screaming about their religion and shoving it in their face. I could care less about any religion...used to be Southern Baptist, converted to Catholic to marry my fiance'...but I don't really have much faith anymore. God has given up on me. It's up to me and me alone to dictate my life and fate, and I'm not going to spend my time praying for things instead of going out and getting them. I still believe in God, I have just disconnected because of all the bullshit and some of my recent experiences of the last 2 years.

[TheRealThing]

What do you not understand about 1775 and 2011 being two different times? Yeah, it was founded on Christian principles, but back then, every country was. Times change, and we don't have to like it, but it happens. Trust me, I deal with the PC bullshit enough with the Army.

TRV doesn't hate Christians..he hates the ones that make you all look bad, like I do. The ones who accuse Pres Obama of being Kenyan or some stupid crap like that, and that actually hate him because they "think"(and they're wrong) that he's a Muslim. Also, the two-faced Christians that I've mentioned many times, the ones who go to church and say they're good Christian people when they're doing nothing but judging and hating on anything and everything that is different, including Muslims in America.

I had a convo on Facebook with some stupid crazy Christians about how they think that "Muslims are taking over America"...they said some of the dumbest things I've ever seen, like we shouldn't let Muslims in our country, and shouldn't allow them to open up businesses because they'll probably use it to funnel money to terrorists. It's ridiculous.

I dislike Muslims, pretty much everyone from the Middle-East/Central Asia, but it's not because of religion, it's because I'm programmed to not trust them. We fought them, I don't like them and I can't help it. When a Muslim/Arab is around me, I'm on edge, and I watch them like a hawk. That's just muscle memory though. I don't like it, but like I said, I can't help it. I don't want to be that way because I have a couple Muslim friend's, two in the Army, and one Afghan Commando I keep in touch with through Facebook. But, Christians who hate/dislike Muslims because of religion and grouping them all into one group because of a select few are doing the same thing our enemy is doing and that Christians criticize them for...fighting over stupid religious differences.

Times are changing, our country is no longer a "Christian" country, or a country with "Christian principles". We have all types of religions here, and they all deserve a say without putting up with Christians screaming about their religion and shoving it in their face. I could care less about any religion...used to be Southern Baptist, converted to Catholic to marry my fiance'...but I don't really have much faith anymore. God has given up on me. It's up to me and me alone to dictate my life and fate, and I'm not going to spend my time praying for things instead of going out and getting them. I still believe in God, I have just disconnected because of all the bullshit and some of my recent experiences of the last 2 years.

Everybody's brains are scrambled when they get back home, that's normal, if you can accept that. It took me a while to get back to what I thought was normal. It's hard to say this without sounding cheesy. Everbody that says they are a Christian isn't neccessarily right. I would suggest you reestablish your connection with your Southern Baptist roots.

When you think about it, you realize everything can't be true. Either we are evolved or we are created, it can't be both. Anytime you or anybody else, and that would include muslims, is in a situation where you're being made to feel inferior by one or more so called Christians, they are probably not really what they say they are. The central truth of the gospel "good news" is this, God's Son died a substitutionary death on the cross in your and my place. The wages of sin is death but, the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus' perfect sacrifice. That day on the cross he laid down his life for any who would believe in Him. God wanted to share Himself with a people who want to be with Him. It's like the marital situation. What makes marriage sweet is the fact that you both choose each other. You choose her, she chooses you. He created us to make a choice for or against Him. He already chose us in that He allowed His only Son to die/sacrifice Himself on the cross to pay our sin debt off for us, and all we have to do, again, by faith believing, is to choose Him in return.

My sincerest advice to you is that God has not given up on you. When you have a son one of these days, look at him and ask yourself what it would take for you to allow him to die for someone else. If God could give up on you he would never have allowed His Son to die in your place, so you, and all who will accept Him could live.

Actual Christians recognize they are in no way deserving of their saved status with The God of this universe since He paid the entire price Himself that day on the cross.

I would suggest to you that America is still a Christian nation suffering from the errosive effects of our own sinful nature to destroy ourselves. That is what causes the unfortunate consequences of war. God warned Adam and Eve, "in the day that ye sin ye shall surely die" Had man been able to obey God he would have lived forever but, he chose to sin thereby causing his own downfall, again, the "Good News" is that all men may live through the substitutionary death of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Times are changing because we are nearing, IMO that time in man's history when things will begin to cascade into a massive climax of war and rebellion known as the the Great Tribulation, when men will go through a 7 year period of war, disease, famine and a one world oppressive form of government. Hence, all this global community talk.

At any rate, that statement in the US Constitution that says that all men are created equal was born out the recognition of our founding fathers that God created us all and He will accept all who believe. We can be with Him forever, by accepting the truth of our creation at His hand. Gen 2:7 "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." The invitation to come, is extended to every man, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, all men of every nation. So, the haters you are talking about are out of character. That doesn't mean we are not to call out wrong when we see it. However, no man who says he hates his brother, is worthy of the kingdom of God. We don't have to agree with them, but, we can not hate them.

In this day and time when through the medium of TV, so much information is pouring into our heads daily it's hard to measue it all. Just because there are so many, saying in effect, there is no God or we can't really know God, doesn't mean they know what they are talking about. God is real and time is most likely short, so the spirit of Anti-Christ has more tools to use to decieve the masses. Every man is aware of the truth of the Lordship of the Living God in his own heart, this awareness is revealed in us by our own conscience. Don't let the lie overpower the truth you've likely already learned at your home church.

[TheRealVille]

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I would suggest to you that America is still a Christian nation suffering from the errosive effects of our own sinful nature to destroy ourselves. That is what causes the unfortunate consequences of war. God warned Adam and Eve, "in the day that ye sin ye shall surely die" Had man been able to obey God he would have lived forever but, he chose to sin thereby causing his own downfall, again, the "Good News" is that all men may live through the substitutionary death of the Lord Jesus Christ.

America is not now, nor ever been, a Christian nation. The Constitution and Amendments make that clear. It is people like you that try to force your way into government, and change this country into one. The 1st amendment protects us from this type of people. We are a nation of Christians, plus many other religions.

[TheRealVille]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

When Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter(1802, while he was President) to the Danbury Baptist Assn., in referring to the 1st amendment, called it a "wall of separation between church and State."

Madison wrote, "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States."

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history [attempts where religious bodies had already tried to encroach on the government]." [James Madison, Detached Memoranda, 1820]

[TheRealThing]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

When Thomas Jefferson wrote his letter(1802, while he was President) to the Danbury Baptist Assn., in referring to the 1st amendment, called it a "wall of separation between church and State."

Madison wrote, "Strongly guarded. . . is the separation between religion and government in the Constitution of the United States."

"Strongly guarded as is the separation between Religion & Govt in the Constitution of the United States the danger of encroachment by Ecclesiastical Bodies, may be illustrated by precedents already furnished in their short history [attempts where religious bodies had already tried to encroach on the government]." [James Madison, Detached Memoranda, 1820]

The formally mentioned "seperation of church and state" by the founding fathers in various documents of our nation's history, was an attempt to avoid the conflict of interest that the politically knitted the Anglican Church or the Church of Enland and the Crown. The Archbishop of Canterbury was considered the head of the Anglican Church. Because church and state had become politically knit together, corruption of the church ensued. Very often the King of England would appoint a man to become Archbishop as if it were a cabinet post. Therefore the office became a political appointment and the the Church of England fell under the control of the King.

Many colonists came to America to escape the religious tyranny of the state controlled Church of England. I agree the Chruch should not have any controlling interest in government and conversely government must leave their hands off any attempt to govern or legislate matters of the church. However, to say that Christians shouldn't be members of the Congress of the United States or even become president of the United States is patently false. As is the notion that the concept of the seperation of church and state means anything like that. Christian leaders should be prized in government not pilloried by those who don't share a faith in God. The unholy alliance of the Anglican Church and the King of England wielded enormous power over the common folk of England and life became controlled down to the last detail. Information about those who would rebell would merely be turned over to a bishop and discipline would be handed down from the church, which was just another arm of the Crown making the folks miserable. In short you were one who had power and controlled people or you were one the those who were controlled. It was almost like being in jail.

Fast forward to present day. We have the Obama administration DOJ quietly trying to get the Supreme Court to give the Federal Government the authority to tell churches who their Pastors will be LINK--- http://cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffre...rs-will-be


RV you should be upset about this because it [B]really is[/B] a violation of the concept of the seperation of church and state. But, generally speaking, it totally escapes me what you think is so unacceptable about Christians. If they are real, and not political Tares, you can believe everything they say. You'd rather be lied to and propagandized by the state? I don't get it. We ARE a nation founded on Christian priciples, the problem is YOU don't want that to be true, and you are never going to be able to see the truth because it's not the way you want it to be.